NHL Entry Draft 2023 NHL Draft Thread

[DJB]

Last 3 seasons Chabot got injured, all three seasons Brannstrom filled in those minutes and the team somehow looked better and at worse the same quality.

Either Chabot is overrated or Brannstrom is underrated.

Brannstrom likely wouldn’t return a pick higher than a 3rd at most . He’s a bottom pair D man that plays some sheltered minutes

Chabot has been playing top line minutes against the best players. Is he overpaid and needs to step up his intensity and game? Yes he does but he’s a far better player than Brannstrom

These two aren’t even remotely comparable

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Brannstrom likely wouldn’t return a pick higher than a 3rd at most . He’s a bottom pair D man that plays some sheltered minutes

Chabot has been playing top line minutes against the best players. Is he overpaid and needs to step up his intensity and game? Yes he does but he’s a far better player than Brannstrom

These two aren’t even remotely comparable

So why is there a negligible difference in quality in the last three seasons when they played the same role? If not the team actually looking better and more cohesive with Brannstrom QBing.

One is 8 mill the other is 1.5 mill. It shouldn't be even close.

 

[BondraTime]

Chabot averaged 25 minutes a game over the full season.

Brannstrom played 23 minutes three times the whole season. 20 minute ten times.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Chabot averaged 25 minutes a game over the full season.

Brannstrom played 23 minutes three times the whole season. 20 minute ten times.

Yes Chabot is a 1st pair defenceman and Brannstrom is a 3rd pair defenceman and that is how they are used. But why does the actual on ice quality not differ that much. Why is it that Brannstrom is more decisive with the puck, better at breakouts, has better defensive instincts, and is more competitive? These are things we pay Chabot 8mill for.

Even if you say that these are all subjective evaluations and Chabot is better at them, the issue is that it shouldn't be even close. Especially when one makes 8 million and the other is a bottom pair defencemen who makes 1 mill and is only worth a 3rd round pick.

But it is a lot closer than people like to admit here.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Considering Brannstrom can out play Chabot many nights at 1/4th of the cap but only worth a mid 2nd, does that mean Chabot has negative value at 8m?

Lol funny story on Branny.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Brannstrom breaks out under a different coach who gives him PP minutes.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Brannstrom breaks out under a different coach who gives him PP minutes.

Possibly never helped him when Chabot was out, Looking at his PP numbers .
That would be fine if that happens, we need bigger stronger on third pair for playoffs.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Considering Brannstrom can out play Chabot many nights at 1/4th of the cap but only worth a mid 2nd, does that mean Chabot has negative value at 8m?

Considering Provorov with significant retention returned a late 1st + future 2nd, I wouldn't expect Chabot to have a lot of value considering his defensive struggles, his 8M cap hit and 9.2M average salary for he rest of his contract.

Could maybe get a late 1st.

 

[DJB]

So why is there a negligible difference in quality in the last three seasons when they played the same role? If not the team actually looking better and more cohesive with Brannstrom QBing.

One is 8 mill the other is 1.5 mill. It shouldn't be even close.

Chabot plays more minutes and the tougher minutes against opposing top players and Brannstrom does not .

I’m not understanding why you are having such a difficult time comprehending that.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Chabot plays more minutes and the tougher minutes against opposing top players and Brannstrom does not .

I’m not understanding why you are having such a difficult time comprehending that.

they definitely should have played chabot less and easier minutes and Brannstrom more and tougher minutes. would have been better for both players and the team.

instead they tanked the value of both.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Brann is no Chabot....but he's still a pretty valuable player. I know teams likely won't pay much for him, but he's a great asset to have in the lineup. A guy who can fill in on the first or second pairing for awhile without hurting the team is worth keeping (at a decent cap hit).

I wouldn't be in a rush to move him unless some team loses their mind and dangles a 1st round 2023 pick for him (which I doubt will happen).

 

[aragorn]

Brann is no Chabot....but he's still a pretty valuable player. I know teams likely won't pay much for him, but he's a great asset to have in the lineup. A guy who can fill in on the first or second pairing for awhile without hurting the team is worth keeping (at a decent cap hit).

I wouldn't be in a rush to move him unless some team loses their mind and dangles a 1st round 2023 pick for him (which I doubt will happen).

Well, they already have Chabot, Sanderson & Chychrun in their top 4 who are all left shots & Kleven is a left shot. We also have Zub, Hamonic, JBD, Thomson & Guennette who are right shots & Chychrun likely starts the yr on the right side until their is an injury. They have plenty of depth on both sides on defence, plus there are a few other guys they might go to in an emergency in Aspirot LD, Larsson LD & Matinpalo RD & Larsson has NHL experience.

 

[bicboi64]

No point trading either Brannstrom or Chabot. Brannstrom needs to play more, Chabot needs to play a bit less.

 

[R2010]

Considering Provorov with significant retention returned a late 1st + future 2nd, I wouldn't expect Chabot to have a lot of value considering his defensive struggles, his 8M cap hit and 9.2M average salary for he rest of his contract.

Could maybe get a late 1st.

lol...

 

[Sun God Nika]

I am fine with moving Branny. We got Chych, Chabot, and Sanderson as puck movers. Use Branny to get a first rounder or improve the roster. Its also the right thing to do for the player.

 

[DrEasy]

So why is there a negligible difference in quality in the last three seasons when they played the same role? If not the team actually looking better and more cohesive with Brannstrom QBing.

One is 8 mill the other is 1.5 mill. It shouldn't be even close.

Chabot's in fact owed $10M for 3 out of the 5 remaining years of his contract!

1- If Chabot was a FA today, would you guys give him a 5yr contract worth about 9M/yr? If not, then it means he currently has negative trade value.

2- Brannstrom has 1 yr left at $900K, and is still an RFA. He clearly has some surplus value.

3- Points 1 and 2 above don't mean that Brannstrom is the better player, but in terms of trade value it's not necessarily clear who has more at the moment. If you had a choice between the two you might be better off keeping the cheaper player and allocate the remaining $8M/yr somewhere else (e.g., extending Sanderson, etc.).

But at this point IMO it shouldn't be a choice between the two. I'm keeping both.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Chabot's in fact owed $10M for 3 out of the 5 remaining years of his contract!

1- If Chabot was a FA today, would you guys give him a 5yr contract worth about 9M/yr? If not, then it means he currently has negative trade value.

2- Brannstrom has 1 yr left at $900K, and is still an RFA. He clearly has some surplus value.

3- Points 1 and 2 above don't mean that Brannstrom is the better player, but in terms of trade value it's not necessarily clear who has more at the moment. If you had a choice between the two you might be better off keeping the cheaper player and allocate the remaining $8M/yr somewhere else (e.g., extending Sanderson, etc.).

But at this point IMO it shouldn't be a choice between the two. I'm keeping both.

Just looked at that on capfriendly. Holy shit...8, 10, 10, 10, 8...and after 23-24 he has a 10-team no trade list.

I like Chabot, but damn...I wonder if he'll ever legitimately be a 10 million dollar player.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Chabot's in fact owed $10M for 3 out of the 5 remaining years of his contract!

1- If Chabot was a FA today, would you guys give him a 5yr contract worth about 9M/yr? If not, then it means he currently has negative trade value.

2- Brannstrom has 1 yr left at $900K, and is still an RFA. He clearly has some surplus value.

3- Points 1 and 2 above don't mean that Brannstrom is the better player, but in terms of trade value it's not necessarily clear who has more at the moment. If you had a choice between the two you might be better off keeping the cheaper player and allocate the remaining $8M/yr somewhere else (e.g., extending Sanderson, etc.).

But at this point IMO it shouldn't be a choice between the two. I'm keeping both.

Brannstrom needs a new deal

 

[Qward]

I get it if we were a contender, not having picks in the draft, but we missed the playoffs. We have a 4th, 5th, and 3 7ths.

This sucks

 

[Hale The Villain]

I get it if we were a contender, not having picks in the draft, but we missed the playoffs. We have a 4th, 5th, and 3 7ths.

This sucks

Chychrun trade was good value but yeah it sucks having no 1st, 2nd or 3rd after yet another year outside of the playoffs.

Wouldn't hurt as much if we had a loaded prospect pool but man after having dealt a 1st+2nd+3rd for DeBrincat last summer and completely botching the 2021 draft, going to be a shortage of good prospects in the system very quickly.

 

[aragorn]

Picks are the easiest things to forget when the team is playing successfully.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

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[Senator Stanley]

Has anyone seen this interview in the Recrutes guide? Any major takeaways?

 

[Adele Dazeem]

I am fine with moving Branny. We got Chych, Chabot, and Sanderson as puck movers. Use Branny to get a first rounder or improve the roster. Its also the right thing to do for the player.

Why? All signs point to DJ getting the boot sooner or later. I'd rather see Brannstrom flourish with us than someone else.

 

[bert]

Brannstrom likely wouldn’t return a pick higher than a 3rd at most . He’s a bottom pair D man that plays some sheltered minutes

Chabot has been playing top line minutes against the best players. Is he overpaid and needs to step up his intensity and game? Yes he does but he’s a far better player than Brannstrom

These two aren’t even remotely comparable

Insane to think otherwise. Brannstrom is going to be a journeyman D who likely ends up in europe. He will never played deep into the playoffs on a competitive team.

Just looked at that on capfriendly. Holy shit...8, 10, 10, 10, 8...and after 23-24 he has a 10-team no trade list.

I like Chabot, but damn...I wonder if he'll ever legitimately be a 10 million dollar player.

His cap hit is 8 that's what he is. Same as when he was being paid 4 million his cap his was 8 that was what he was.

Why? All signs point to DJ getting the boot sooner or later. I'd rather see Brannstrom flourish with us than someone else.

Flourish? In what role exactly? There are no D men like him playing in the playoffs literally none.

I am fine with moving Branny. We got Chych, Chabot, and Sanderson as puck movers. Use Branny to get a first rounder or improve the roster. Its also the right thing to do for the player.

This team cannot trade another first rounder.