HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2

[WeThreeKings]

I much prefer Button than all the regurgitated consensus BS. At least it’s a new perspective

The perspective is, the only junior hockey I watch is world juniors, hlinka and u18s. The rest of the time I'm doing NHL analysis for TSN and don't have time to see these guys.

 

[Locks]

Some more Michkov advanced stats. Passing on him might bite the org in the rear one day.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Well, until they do it — they’re not PPG.

Pacioretty tried very hard to score 40 and never managed it, even if he took as many empty netters as he could.

In any case, more PPG players is better. We have zero. Let’s start with one.

That's true but it's not out of the realm of possibilities for Suzuki and Caufield to be all stars one day. I guess my point is are you willing to bet if Suzuki had Caufield for one more half season, could he manage to scrap 16 more pts. My answer is yes, yours might be no. But in that respect, I think Suzuki is a PPG calibre player that was hinders with AHL/crappy lineages for half a season

 

[phillytennis]

Leonard is more than that. You’re making him sound like RHP.

This year, RHP proved he was great addition to the team. There is nothing negative about Raphael. We can use a few more RHP.

 

[phillytennis]

I'm not as high on Reinbacher as WTK or some others and think he's more of a surefire 2/3 but that's still one hundred percent worthy of a top 10, if not top 8 pick lmao. Him in the mid 20s is

I'm not as high on Reinbacher as WTK or some others and think he's more of a surefire 2/3 but that's still one hundred percent worthy of a top 10, if not top 8 pick lmao. Him in the mid 20s is insane

ASP should be top defenseman in this draft.
He seems better than Reinbacher.

 

[Doublechin]

Really warming up to the idea of Leonard…

Welcome to the team

 

[le_sean]

This year, RHP proved he was great addition to the team. There is nothing negative about Raphael. We can use a few more RHP.

Not someone I would want for a 5th overall pick

 

[montreal]

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mixes it up - 10:23

 

[26Mats]

he didn't say exactly that...think that was taken a bit out of context, he's not going to give away his position right now.

They haven't even had the combines.

It was in the TSN690 interview with Mitch Gallo the day after the lottery.

Did you listen to that interview?

 

[le_sean]

They are different.

Skating goes to Leonard
Hands goes to Leonard
Shooting goes to Dvorsky
Playmaking is a wash, neither are all that impressive.
Puck protection goes to Dvorsky.

Then Dvorsky has the better defensive game, is a center, etc.

I have Leonard slightly ahead because I think he can get himself open a bit more, but the margin is razor thin.

Skating is king though. And I’d say drive helps Leonard here too. Not that Dvorsky is a slouch but Leonard will go through a wall for the team.

 

[InAG-P]

goal - 1:22
mixes it up - 10:23

What a release.

Imagine him on one side and Caufield on the other. My heavens.

 

[tooji]

Right, they're doing their due process which is what you want to see for any draft pick. It will come down to how hard they think SKA Petersburg will make it to sign him. That's an extremely powerful KHL organization.

But, that is true for any team and not particular to Montreal. Washington has an advantage as Ovechkin can definitely advocate on their behalf.

I think Montreal would be ok with 3 years not so sure about 5 years. I'm sure there'll be talks with Michkov's agent over the ensuing weeks, as well as interviews with Michkov once he arrives for the draft.

I plan on maintaining a positive focus on it.

Hughes hasn't said he's DND. He said they plan on following due process, that he'd lose a tie & that they'd take BPA. All of that is common sense to me & doesn't require the panic that has enveloped the board.

I'm 80% sure he won't be at #5 anyway. Chicago is taking Bedard. Anaheim will take Fantilli or Carlsson. Columbus has already said they're taking a center. Probably who is left of Fantilli or Carlsson.

Pretty sure San Jose will take him.

To me it’s clear that Michkov and Carlsson are a tier above Smith in talent. I don’t really see how you can justify Smith as a BPA above either of them. I think if it’s a choice between Michkov and Smith for SJS they will take Michkov.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Skating is king though. And I’d say drive helps Leonard here too. Not that Dvorsky is a slouch but Leonard will go through a wall for the team.

Skating and the hands have Leonard ahead for me, but if a team thinks Dvorsky is a center (I don't but I want my offensive centers to be playmaker and zone entry/exit kings which both are weaknesses of Dvorsky), and values the defensive side with the shot and puck protection, I can see having Dvorsky ahead.

Leonard vs Dvorsky evaluation comes down to personal preference imo.

 

[le_sean]

Skating and the hands have Leonard ahead for me, but if a team thinks Dvorsky is a center (I don't but I want my offensive centers to be playmaker and zone entry/exit kings which both are weaknesses of Dvorsky), and values the defensive side with the shot and puck protection, I can see having Dvorsky ahead.

Leonard vs Dvorsky evaluation comes down to personal preference imo.

If he is a winger going forward, he needs to drop down lists because he doesn’t have the skating to beat players wide. He’ll be figured out pretty quickly. Likely lethal on the PP, but he could have production issues at ES.

 

[phillytennis]

Not someone I would want for a

Skating is king though. And I’d say drive helps Leonard here too. Not that Dvorsky is a slouch but Leonard will go through a wall for the team.

I also like Leonard...but Dvorsky plays with a lot of passion...he seems to be leader and he's very competitive and doesn't like to lose.

 

[Kennerback]

Mailloux was by the previous management and IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE. Russians have been drafted but not in the top 5 and usually lower than they were ranked. HuGo will have to get all the intel they can before draft day and if Michkov is there at 5 decide how risky it would be to take him.

As long as they stay away from the ridiculous business to start picking and choosing players according to background. Do we not draft Central Americans in baseball when there’s civil wars? Venezuelans because Maduro’s there? How about Congolese or Chinese in basketball?

Many of these countries have also been sanctioned. It’s so subjective and hypocritical and executives that trash their clubs over it should get called out.

 

[Cinemaforum]

I think Michkov reups and doesn't leave until he's 24 at least, like those other Russians. Too risky imo

 

[Habricot]

I like him alot but prefer both of his linemates, I would even entertain the thought of taking Perreault ahead of Smith as I think Perreault's intangibles are much better. I feel like Perreault is the real creator on that line as he just has NHL level vision/instincts that open up many of the lines chances.

I think all 3 are future NHLers but I think Leonard is significantly less of an offensive catalyst than Smith or Perreault and I question how effective he will be with his style of play against much bigger NHLers who he can't easily bully off the puck like he has been able to do so far. He is still avery good prospect but he is not at all what I want HuGo to be aiming for with the 5th OA selection. I want a player that has the potential to produce at a high level in the NHL and not an entirely complimentary piece.

I take all of Michkov, Smith, Dvorsky, Perreault, Wood and Reinbacher ahead of Leonard but I do agree that I would love to have him in the system if we were outside of the top 10.

I think that is the issue with these 3 guys. They are such a good line thatbits difgicult to know how much they benigit from each other. I mean Smith migth not be nearly as attractive without the other 2 as an example.

 

[SlafySZN]

If he is a winger going forward, he needs to drop down lists because he doesn’t have the skating to beat players wide. He’ll be figured out pretty quickly. Likely lethal on the PP, but he could have production issues at ES.

Plus you could make a case that Leonard could become a center also, he has the abilities. Like Cutter Gauthier did.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I think that is the issue with these 3 guys. They are such a good line thatbits difgicult to know how much they benigit from each other. I mean Smith migth not be nearly as attractive without the other 2 as an example.

It is a great line and there is no doubt that they all benefit from each other's role, but there is also little doubt that Leonard is the least skilled and least creative of the trio.

 

[SlafySZN]

I think that is the issue with these 3 guys. They are such a good line thatbits difgicult to know how much they benigit from each other. I mean Smith migth not be nearly as attractive without the other 2 as an example.

Not sure, it’s easier to find Smith two wingers that complement him well, like a grinder type and a sniper on the other side than finding a Smith for your line, if that makes any sense.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Skating is king though. And I’d say drive helps Leonard here too. Not that Dvorsky is a slouch but Leonard will go through a wall for the team.

I don’t see how you can give drive to Leonard. Dvorsky put Slovakia on his back. Leonard isn’t even the best player on his line.

 

[Goldenhands]

I don’t see how you can give drive to Leonard. Dvorsky put Slovakia on his back. Leonard isn’t even the best player on his line.

He is hands down the most complete of all 3, he is the stabilizator on his line and does alot of the heavy work. The other 2 are all offense.

 

[NotProkofievian]

He is hands down the most complete of all 3, he is the stabilizator on his line and does alot of the heavy work. The other 2 are all offense.

If we draft Leonard, I insist that we call him The Stabilizator.

 

[The Great Weal]

If we draft Leonard, I insist that we call him The Stabilizator.

If we draft Leaonard, I insist that we call the scouting team The Morons.