Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[Gustave]

So... Askarov + Wood.

Kill me right now.

PS: I like Reinbacher, but the above package is more my style...

 

[Riddick412]

Does this mean that people will stop with the tank nonsense this season? I mean if this is the result, what's the point?

 

[waffledave]

Biggest take away is nobody knows shit. That's the truth. This draft was full of surprising picks, starting at #2. Time to stop listening to internet scouts as if they really know what an NHL team is going to do.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Newhook may surprise. Anyone who skates like that and has good hockey smarts might just need a better opportunity. He is one explosive skater. I like this acquisition more and more.

He sure could. He had some okayish underlying despite his lack of deployment; which actually looked a lot like Dach's in his final season with chicago.

If he can turn out to be a staple in our middle 6 (like a 40-50 points speedy player), it won't be as bad of a trade, since the odds of getting such a player with those picks we traded for him are low anyways.

 

[ReHabs]

Jack Eichel, John Tavares, Tage Thompson*, Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan O'Reilly, Mark Stone, Max Pacioretty, Rick Nash, Marian Gaborik, Marian Hossa, Pierre-Luc Dubois, Patrik Laine, Matt Duchene, Artemis Panarin.


You can get players of high-end quality, you just need assets, or be an attractive destination.

Habs are pissing away collecting those assets.

Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Pacioretty, etc.

Nah these don’t count as equivalents. Not elite like the forwards. Karlsson and Chara and Subban have won the Norris.

I see your point but I think this is a bit of a generalization, and Kane is a NYR now

Pietrangelo was a cornerstone for the Blues winning a cup and then again for Vegas. We need a guy like that, looks like we may of gotten one.

I named Kane intentionally; he left at the end of his career. There was no chance he would’ve been pryed out of Chicago when they were competitive

 

[WeThreeKings]

Biggest take away is nobody knows shit. That's the truth. This draft was full of surprising picks, starting at #2. Time to stop listening to internet scouts as if they really know what an NHL team is going to do.

More people need to listen to Pronman from The Athletic - not from a scout perspective but he gets good information every year at the combine.

If people paid attention and removed their biases, they would not have been surprised by how some things unfolded (save Simashev) last night.

But this isn't surprising, everyone spent the last two months convincing themselves an unknown prospect burst on the scene and put up the best NLA draft season by a defenseman ever, not only in win shares but point production, has no talent.

 

[Jaynki]

So... Askarov + Wood.

Kill me right now.

PS: I like Reinbacher, but the above package is more my style...

Hmm. I think i would prefer keep our blue chip RD. But its indeed a nice package.

 

[Milhouse40]

Most of our fans actually pick better players ahead of what we end of taking. It's sad but true. Just like all the moron GM's that passed on Caufield. We all wanted him. Michkov will be a beast. Bacher sucks. I had him at around 15-20 range. Pelikka will be way better too. Another waste of a year and pick.

Most of the time it's not true. With hindsight they all changes their pick after a couple of years after to seems smart. Tkachuk was seen as the mistake we shouldn't make, last year the vast majority wanted Wright (we'll see how this one turn out), I remember the Sergachev year people were mad as hell.

But this goes with every draft.....the top 10 NEVER EVER become the best 10 players in the NHL cause everybody's list are wrong and nobody had it right, no one. Inclding this one. They never even have the top 3 right.

I'm pissed about this pick and there's a ''Fire Brobov\Lapointe'' right around the corner as 2 years in a row, they picked the last guy I would have pick in the possible candidates......but I'll still wait before thinking I'm the smart one in the bunch as well.....all our list are wrong from the start in every draft.

 

[Jaynki]

More people need to listen to Pronman from The Athletic - not from a scout perspective but he gets good information every year at the combine.

If people paid attention and removed their biases, they would not have been surprised by how some things unfolded (save Simashev) last night.

But this isn't surprising, everyone spent the last two months convincing themselves an unknown prospect burst on the scene and put up the best NLA draft season by a defenseman ever, not only in win shares but point production, has no talent.

He displayed more at the WC then Carlsson or Fantilli, although a small sample.

I am not saying it in hindsight. I made such a post back in may/early june.

If we can snag Fowler at 69, or a strong goaltender, that would look good.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Woke up convinced that Mr. Net has graced us with a Drai clone in Slaf and a Seider clone in Rein.

Love cope.

 

[Benstheman]

Whatever. See you in 3 years.

Bye

 

[Tyson]

I just watched an RDS interview with a player named Eric Faille. He played with Reinbacher and he thinks he is NHL ready now and that we will be happy with this pick in the future.

 

[Habs Halifax]

More people need to listen to Pronman from The Athletic - not from a scout perspective but he gets good information every year at the combine.

If people paid attention and removed their biases, they would not have been surprised by how some things unfolded (save Simashev) last night.

But this isn't surprising, everyone spent the last two months convincing themselves an unknown prospect burst on the scene and put up the best NLA draft season by a defenseman ever, not only in win shares but point production, has no talent.

Most realistic Habs fans don't hate Reinbacher. They just wanted a shot at Michkov (Bure potential).

Most see Reinbacher's potential and how he fits what we are trying to do on the back end.

Are we talking about Bure vs Doughty if both Michkov and Reinbacher reach their ceiling?

 

[waitin425]

Mitch Marner vs Alex Pietrangelo

I have Michkov as more of a Pavel Bure and not Mitch Marner type. I saw Benson as Marner-esque.

If Reddenbacher is Pietro level, I would take Pietro over Mitchy boy. Personal preference. That wins you cups. Not sure I'd take Pietro over Bure though.

I had my hopes set that Guhle, Hutson, and even Mailloux could be top pairing d men. I hope Reinbacher is the best of the bunch there.

 

[Milhouse40]

Biggest take away is nobody knows shit. That's the truth. This draft was full of surprising picks, starting at #2. Time to stop listening to internet scouts as if they really know what an NHL team is going to do.

Money.....that's what they know how to make.

They sell draft guides, received tons of clicks and most of them only copy one/another in order to have takes, similar list....it's like an echo-chamber of people reinforcing each other's idea as none of them can actually do 20% of the job a TEAM of people are doing for NHL organization.

 

[Hannibal]

Askarov and wood for the chance of drafting Reinbacher?

We need to fire everyone.

 

[Benstheman]

@waffledave "It's disingenuous to say Reinbacher is going to be, at best, a #2 and then turn around saying we passed on "multiple" potential scoring superstars. We passed on one who has that kind of potential."

That's your opinion and you're free to it. I don't agree that we only passed on one. And I think he's at best at #2 cause I don't see any real big offensive potential there with Reinbacher.

What's funny is you think a no.1 D is a powerhouse points producer. Which is totally false.

let's say in the future, Guhle and Reinbacher play 25 minutes and get 40-50 pts each while Hutson gets 60 pts while playing 18 minutes. Who's the no.1 D??

 

[BenchBrawl]

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[Frank Drebin]

I have Michkov as more of a Pavel Bure and not Mitch Marner type. I saw Benson as Marner-esque.

If Reddenbacher is Pietro level, I would take Pietro over Mitchy boy. Personal preference. That wins you cups. Not sure I'd take Pietro over Bure though.

I had my hopes set that Guhle, Hutson, and even Mailloux could be top pairing d men. I hope Reinbacher is the best of the bunch there.

Well if he turns out to be a superstar game breaker, top 5 player in the world like Bure then its a huge miss no matter how good Reinbacher turns out, agree there.

 

[WinterLion]

How about But at 12 though!!!?!?! Simashev didn't floor me as much, I knew he was one of the top 2 D...

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That's the most rational thing you've said in weeks.

 

[BenchBrawl]

That's the most rational thing you've said in weeks.

You mean except the several dozen times I suggested we pick a Top 2 talent in this draft? Right.

 

[Wats]

Most realistic Habs fans don't hate Reinbacher. They just wanted a shot at Michkov (Bure potential).

Most see Reinbacher's potential and how he fits what we are trying to do on the back end.

Are we talking about Bure vs Doughty if both Michkov and Reinbacher reach their ceiling?

There's no way either are those comparables IMO. Bure was making NHL defenseman look like how McDavid is right now in the clutch and grab era. As much as I like Michkov, I don't think he has anything physically that puts him in an elite category. He seems to be the type that can just dismantle defenders and make them retreat from being made look silly. The thinker, maybe Datsyuk/Kucherov.

Reinbacher seems more Pietrangelo type than Doughty, he's definitely not dynamic and as fluid skater.

I’m pretty sure none of y’all had Nemec #1 last year… go burn your list while crying for all I care… some of you just say anything anyway.

stop polluting the messages because NHL teams have their own list … you know… they don’t just move names on an existing list… they actually talk and evaluate poeple and I guess … probably not watching only highlights videos.

PS if your take has been mentioned a few hundred times… we don’t need your remix of an existing take.

PS 31 and 37 are not a big deal, at all

So what do you rather read? A forum where everyone salutes what management does regardless of their poor history of results.

 

[WinterLion]

You mean except the several dozen times I suggested we pick a Top 2 talent in this draft? Right.

Yes. The Flyers colours look really good on you.

 

[Habs Icing]

I'll start off by saying I was fully in the Michkov camp. Actually, the last time I saw him and Bedard play in the same tourney, I thought the Russian was the better prospect but that was a few years ago. Also, I have no faith in Lapointe and Bobrov.

But that's me on the outside looking in.

Hughes brought in Newhook and Reinbacker. A potential 2nd liner and a supposed top line D-man. They're not generational talent but I think Hughes was team building and if those two grow into their potential, Kent will have a better team. First point.

Second point, at last year's draft I went on a roller coaster ride. Was unhappy when I heard Romanov was traded for a mid-round first, then elated when I heard we exchanged the first for Dach and then disappointed when I remembered Dach hadn't played up to his draft predictions. He became a pleasant surprise this last season. I fully expect something similar to happen with Newhook. Mainly because Lapointe and Bobrov had little input in the selection and also because Newhook was highly rated. The kid can fly and has good hockey sense and can shoot the puck.

Third point, Reinbacker was rated in the top part of the draft by most scouts. So I don't think even Lapointe and Bobrov screwed up this choice. I can't comment on the player because I never really saw him play but can so many other scouts be wrong?

Fourth point, I think everyone bought into this year's draft hype and were expecting elite players. Problem is there was only one definite elite player in this draft and he went to Chicago. There may be a second but there were too many questions around that player. Kent didn't gamble. He went with the sure things.

And finally, Hughes doesn't have a long track record with the Habs and the little record he does have is more than excellent. Turned Romanov into Dach, and Petry to Matheson. Traded Toffoli and Chiarot for two first rounders and other assets. Now a GM that was so much on the ball this past year suddenly lost it all? I don't think so.

When Hughes was hired I decided to take a look see attitude. I was skeptical with his first moves while most fans were in a honeymoon phase. I find it funny that now I'm the one defending him against the overwhelming majority that are disappointed by his work at this draft so far.



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[Habs Halifax]

There's no way either are those comparables IMO. Bure was making NHL defenseman look like how McDavid is right now in the clutch and grab era. As much as I like Michkov, I don't think he has anything physically that puts him in an elite category. He seems to be the type that can just dismantle defenders and make them retreat from being made look silly.

Reinbacher seems more Pietrangelo type than Doughty, he's definitely not dynamic and as fluid skater.

I think it fits in terms of trying to project both of their ceiling levels. Bure was not physical bud. Pietrangelo or Doughty? Sure. Not worth a "no way" it's a good comparable narrative.