Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[waffledave]

Who cares? They are both better than KK

My point still stands

Does it? Tkachuk was literally viewed as an inferior, low-ceiling player due to a perceived lack of high end talent. Can't say he was the BPA or most talented player available at the time.

BPA was Zadina. BPA isn't some infallible strategy that always works. The Tkachuk pick is a perfect example.

 

[Doublechin]

Two months of heated debate about Michkov, Smith, Leonard, Benson, all hating to pick Reinbacher. Now all the HuGo fan boys backpeddling hard, Oh he's really a good pick, trust the experts. Puke worthy.

Tbh I was feeling it's between Reinbacher and Leonard for a while but I can't hide my disappointment still

 

[BenchBrawl]

So? Whats your stance..Which is harder to find? Show ALL teams since 2000

I checked, and every single team except Seattle, had more than 1 season over PPG.

We are dead last, ignoring Seattle.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Can someone David Redenbacher this for an avatar for me please??

https://d3hjzzsa8cr26l.cloudfront.net/630fefe0-10f9-11e8-a56d-535a4e504290.jpg?pw=264

 

[absolute garbage]

To be fair a top 4 RD with possible upside for more is extremely hard to come by in the NHL.

After center, they have the highest value. Both on the trade and free agent market.

That said an elite offensice forward are very difficult to acquire as 30 years as a hab fan will attest.

Yes, Habs fans shouldn't be told how hard to come by guys like Kane and Kucherov are.

Good players have value. Great players have more value. Regardless of position. If Michkov reaches the level many think he will, and Reinbacher does the same, I doubt there would be many people willing to trade Michkov for Reinbacher regardless of one being "just" a winger and one being a "valuable" RHD.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Lets ignore the fact that a defenseman as been picked top 5 in 95% of the last 20 draft. The only outlier was 6...

So yes, picking the best D of the draft over some winger or lower ceiling D is definitely a reach.

"Some winger" is either the most successful Russian forward prospect in history or one of several players who project as first liners, of which we have one, who is incredibly small and hasn't demonstrated that he can stay healthy?

Over someone who, if the pie-in-the-sky fantasies of homers are true, may top out as a number three defenseman without any stand out skills in any area?

Yeah. I'd have taken any one of them.

 

[SwiftyHab]

 

[ReimanSum1908]

For this failed franchise, yes I believe it

In 3 or 4 years Michkov will be Ovie for the flyers, and Reinbacher will not even be part of this team

Nah, he'll be given quite a few shots. Kick around on the third pairing, bouncing down to the AHL until he's twenty-three, then get tossed to the curb, I think.

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

I checked, and every single team except Seattle, had more than 1 season over PPG.

We are dead last, ignoring Seattle.

Yes , we suck at that no doubt.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Yes, Habs fans shouldn't be told how hard to come by guys like Kane and Kucherov are.

Good players have value. Great players have more value. Regardless of position. If Michkov reaches the level many think he will, and Reinbacher does the same, I doubt there would be many people willing to trade Michkov for Reinbacher regardless of one being "just" a winger and one being a "valuable" RHD.

Mitch Marner vs Alex Pietrangelo

 

[Gravity]

I call him Rain, because he can rain on an offensive parade.

For us or the other team?

 

[Jaynki]

Everyone ok this morning,

It’s going to be alright.

There is a remote chance that the Habs did their homework on this pick and just maybe they know something about his potential that we don’t.

A remote chance but it’s possible.

Top pairing, minute munching RD are as valuable as 1C.

They are the most coveted assets.

There is a shitload of upside with Reinbacher but because its not a sexy offensive dynamo folks don't like it.

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

I checked, and every single team except Seattle, had more than 1 season over PPG.

We are dead last, ignoring Seattle.

he correlation between draft slot and performance is much greater among forwards (0.26 correlation coefficient) than defensemen (0.11).

 

[HabbyGuy]

1 season over a PPG since 2000 on this team

While having great dmen in this same period. Markov was an outstanding dman as an example.

Yes, Habs fans shouldn't be told how hard to come by guys like Kane and Kucherov are.

Good players have value. Great players have more value. Regardless of position. If Michkov reaches the level many think he will, and Reinbacher does the same, I doubt there would be many people willing to trade Michkov for Reinbacher regardless of one being "just" a winger and one being a "valuable" RHD.

I both agree and disagree. IF Reinbacher truly is a stud elite #1 RD, his impact will be just as positive as an elite forward. Just not as sexy.

Regardless I absolutely would have taken Michkov over him from a draft perspective.

 

[Gustave]

We all know we are not winning anything with this. But I think the D will be solid.
We need a year with multiple forward first-rounders.

Hughes might have wanted to pick Reinbacher because Ds take some time to arrive, so it's better to start the draft with them. Why I would have started by picking Nemec last year... and this year picked a forward.

This, so much this. If it's going to be drafting for need, than get your RD right away early in the process and get the forwards later because they are ready way faster.

 

[WinterLion]

Two months of heated debate about Michkov, Smith, Leonard, Benson, all hating to pick Reinbacher. Now all the HuGo fan boys backpeddling hard, Oh he's really a good pick, trust the experts. Puke worthy.

Actually most of the people who have been talking about the prospects all year at least understand why they would take him... and many liked Reinbacher a lot.

 

[Jaynki]

While having great dmen in this same period. Markov was an outstanding dman as an example.


I both agree and disagree. IF Reinbacher truly is a stud elite #1 RD, his impact will be just as positive as an elite forward. Just not as sexy.

Regardless I absolutely would have taken Michkov.

The IF applies to any players and that is the part fans forget.

IF Reinbacher pans out it will be okay.

But, there is no IF with Michkov or Benson or my personal favourite. (Spoiler : there is an IF even with Carlsson, Fantilli and Smith)

 

[WeThreeKings]

So did scouts not have access to live games because of the war in Ukraine?

Yes, you'd have to rely on an in Russia scout and it does not appear many teams have one.

The reports of us not drafting out of Russia seem very true.

 

[ReHabs]

Respectfully sorry to inform you but elite D are much harder to find than forwards.

Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Chara, Subban, Weber, Hamilton, etc have all moved

Crosby, Kane, Kucherov, etc have not moved

 

[WinterLion]

It's understandable that people are upset, but this may work still out very well. Also most importantly it is clear Hughes does not give a shit what you think.... and judging from our collective ability to make mistakes... this is a very good thing!!

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Chara, Subban, Weber, Hamilton, etc have all moved

Crosby, Kane, Kucherov, etc have not moved

Jack Eichel, John Tavares, Tage Thompson*, Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan O'Reilly, Mark Stone, Max Pacioretty, Rick Nash, Marian Gaborik, Marian Hossa, Pierre-Luc Dubois, Patrik Laine, Matt Duchene, Artemis Panarin.


You can get players of high-end quality, you just need assets, or be an attractive destination.

Habs are pissing away collecting those assets.

 

[waffledave]

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GMs had concerns on Michkov. The view of him as a player and the reward side of things is different than fans saw it.

Not having live viewings of Michkov compared to a litany of live viewings of other prospects also impacts how confidently a team can project someone.

This isn't to say I think the GMs are right, or the fans are wrong, but as I've been saying for weeks here just relaying information from media, scouts, the combine, etc. as a draft junkie, it was never as black and white as the fans thought and there were valid concerns with the Michkov evaluation along with a higher evaluation of prospects like Reinbacher than the general Twitter scout community.

I guess while we are comfortable and confident in projecting players we have never seen play before, maybe NHL gms are not. Weird. Don't they have youtube and Twitter? Lots of good medical advice on those platforms too, wish my dumbass doctor listened to me and watched the videos I sent him.

 

[Supersonic]

Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Chara, Subban, Weber, Hamilton, etc have all moved

Crosby, Kane, Kucherov, etc have not moved

I see your point but I think this is a bit of a generalization, and Kane is a NYR now

Pietrangelo was a cornerstone for the Blues winning a cup and then again for Vegas. We need a guy like that, looks like we may of gotten one.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

You guys remember that Heiskanen, Makar, Seider were all "against the grain" picks that went higher than expected right?

Not saying Reinbacher will be as good but going against the grain is what it takes sometimes. I wanted Michkov but Reinbacher's production is unprecedented in a solid Swiss league. Of course he was not flashy, he was playing top line minutes vs men.

Funny how all of a sudden Michkov is a generational can't miss prospect with no uncertainties. Yet SJS and ARI also passed him up for clearly non-generational prospects.

I wanted Michkov too so we'll see but some of the arguments in this thread.... yikes.

 

[Zorro]

I ask this question, in regards to the 2017 NHL draft, with the advantage of hindsight. Who does NJ draft #1OA? Hischier or Makar or Pettersson?

My point here is not to compare Makar to Rain but that top Ds can be as impactful as any 1C/W.