Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[StCaufield]

It’s really cute when Hughes said about a month ago that he won’t draft on need BUT it would be a tie breaker if he sees two players as equal to draft. Who the f*** was Rein equal to?

As predicted, the sky is falling according to this board. Fans wanted a player they’ve never watched play and shit on a player they never watched play. Brilliant.

Nah man we go by scouting and he’s not even projected as a top 2. Don’t you want actual talent up front? I miss Trevor Timmons

Ugh just threw up in my mouth when I typed that

 

[BenchBrawl]

As predicted, the sky is falling according to this board. Fans wanted a player they’ve never watched play and shit on a player they never watched play. Brilliant.

Still more brilliant than refusing a gift from the gods. Siding with Satan. Not smart.

 

[le_sean]

It’s really cute when Hughes said about a month ago that he won’t draft on need BUT it would be a tie breaker if he sees two players as equal to draft. Who the f*** was Rein equal to?

1D > 1LW

If your scouts projection is that both have that potential, then clearly you take the D.

 

[BenchBrawl]

1D > 1LW

If your scouts projection is that both have that potential, then clearly you take the D.

Lafleur > Robinson

 

[WeThreeKings]

You can't win if you can't score either and we already know CC, NS and KD are not enough.

Regurgitating platitudes won't change the fact you need game breaking talent just as much, if not more than defense.

There as many stories of forwards getting injured and nixing their team's chances. Losing RyJo, a middling C, sank the preds too.

It's all a smokescreen man, we picked Michkov.

 

[calder candidate]

KH is quoted has saying that the had him very high on the list but if Reinbacher was a left shot D they may have cooled a bit on him, and that the don’t have much depth on the Right side….

To me this confirm that that we didn’t take BPA and if we weren’t taking BPA available we should have made another team pay to get him… I think this draft was over hyped but still these pass few day there was a lot of miss calculations from KH.

 

[le_sean]

Lafleur > Robinson

That’s debatable

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Which is why they're paying half his salary for him to play in Colorado

What a stupid argument. Is he still a 60 points C? No.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not physical as in hitting. He doesn't have anything he does with his body that sticks out as elite, like skating. That's why I referenced McDavids skating, Bure was making people fall over similarly in the clutch in grab era. Michkov's doesn't have that in him, he is just super smart at dissecting play. Doughty is a dynamic skater with high offensive skill and smaller stature. Not sure where you are getting similarity to Reinbacher.

My bad bud, now I see you were just making random comparable of a Russian elite winger and Elite RD with no other similarity.

It's more about player value with styles/height/weight attached to it. Comparisons always gets derailed

 

[Benstheman]

As it relates to me it’s not that Reinbacher doesn’t have talent. He definitely fills a need and he has the potential to be a 1RD which is very hard to find and a possible pairing with Hutson is very appealing. But for a team that has lacked a player who brings asses out of seats, Michkov has that potential and pairing him with Dach might have been magic. I understand they couldn’t see him live to see if his game had developed but that screams they need to address the scouting department or lack thereof. But what do I know…I wanted Wright last year and by most accounts that would’ve been a huge mistake.

Now that's a great take. Thank you. I agree Michkov could've been a threat for the eyes.

 

[le_sean]

What does that even mean? Brb, will go take an heroic dose of LSD to understand the relevancy of your comment.

Pretty self-explanatory. But you seem to be a Flyers fan now so not sure why you’re on this board

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It's all a smokescreen man, we picked Michkov.

Nah, you forgot the rest of what I said.

It's damning, extremely leaky that it was known 2 months in advance, but you won't talk about that.

Wasn't Michkov supposed to slide out of the top 10? Be Washington's pick?

 

[SOLR]

Kaprizov is 203 lbs. Bure was what... around 187?

I guess it's possible Michkov can get to Kaprizoz's weight. But he has a long ways to go to get there. Where is Michkov now? 175 ish?

Regardless of Bure, Kaprisov, Doughty, Lindholm, Pietrangelo, I think we understand the point.

Michkov will be lighter but also more lethal in getting forgotten. Bure didn't rely on stealth. He relied on speed, like Demidov. Kaprisov and Michkov score from the same places, and rely on stealth to create opportunities; Michkov just has an insane conversion rate.

I'm trying to describe opportunity creation styles as it's the most relevant aspect here.

 

[WeThreeKings]

KH is quoted has saying that the had him very high on the list but if Reinbacher was a left shot D they may have cooled a bit on him, and that the don’t have much depth on the Right side….

To me this confirm that that we didn’t take BPA and if we weren’t taking BPA available we should have made another team pay to get him… I think this draft was over hyped but still these pass few day there was a lot of miss calculations from KH.

Back at the combine, after the draft lottery too, he said

You make your list and obviously team composition and building comes into play. When you have players at an equal tier, obviously a left shot defenseman is going to lose the tie-breakers on your list. So what Hughes was saying is that they had other guys at the same tier (Ryan Leonard, most likely based on info we had), the tie-break went to Reinbacher because of his positional value and what he brings to the long term composition of the team.

They didn't draft Reinbacher out of a lower tier, they had him in the same tier and he was at the top of that tier because of those other pieces that make him who he is.

 

[cphabs]

I maintain the draft should always be in Montreal so the kids can go get smashed after. In the US they have to stay and hang out with their families like a bunch of losers.

I remember years ago the Russian Jr team got destroyed at an airport bar lol

 

[Whitesnake]

Back at the combine, after the draft lottery too, he said

You make your list and obviously team composition and building comes into play. When you have players at an equal tier, obviously a left shot defenseman is going to lose the tie-breakers on your list. So what Hughes was saying is that they had other guys at the same tier (Ryan Leonard, most likely based on info we had), the tie-break went to Reinbacher because of his positional value and what he brings to the long term composition of the team.

They didn't draft Reinbacher out of a lower tier, they had him in the same tier and he was at the top of that tier because of those other pieces that make him who he is.

He was put in that tier BECAUSE of the position he plays in. That's my belief and issue.

Next year. There's a plethora of d-men. And even quite a few righties. What do you do next year? If you believe that your D is somewhat set, and frankly without knowing shit 'cause most guys will still be projection, you draft forwards? Because....you don't NEED that much d-men anymore?

I don't get it.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Back at the combine, after the draft lottery too, he said

You make your list and obviously team composition and building comes into play. When you have players at an equal tier, obviously a left shot defenseman is going to lose the tie-breakers on your list. So what Hughes was saying is that they had other guys at the same tier (Ryan Leonard, most likely based on info we had), the tie-break went to Reinbacher because of his positional value and what he brings to the long term composition of the team.

They didn't draft Reinbacher out of a lower tier, they had him in the same tier and he was at the top of that tier because of those other pieces that make him who he is.

good point. It's fun to speculate. I'm happy they're focused on D and C--for years bergevin built from the wing and Price. That being said I wanted michkov or leonard.
I think when they couldn't get into top 4, it was a crapshoot

 

[Whitesnake]

Bye

When a point passes you by...lol

 

[Seb]

He was put in that tier BECAUSE of the position he plays in. That's my belief and issue.

You're wrong. He was in the tier because he legitimately belongs in it.

 

[Barriwhite]

That’s debatable

The underlying point stands - not all 1Ds and 1Ws are equal. You can’t just say 1D>1W In a vacuum.

 

[The Real Timo]

I don't want to stir anything but perhaps it is time to start questioning whether Hugher/Gorton duo are right for the Habs. Other than one trade (Dach), it's been average at best. All of the picks/prospects Habs got from Chiarot, Toffoli, Lekhs etc trades have turn up nothing to be excited about or wasted. Any decent players on the team (other than Dach) are still Bergevin's (gag, barf). I mean... how much longer do we need to wait to arrive to the same conclusion as with Bergevin? Another 10 years?

 

[HabbyGuy]

That’s debatable

Nonsense.

Larry Robinson was and is one of my most favourite players of all time. But I don't think it is debatable. Unless you just want to argue for the sake of it. In that case I suppose anything is debatable.

Lafleur was the better player. To suggest otherwise does Guy a serious disservice.

He was the best player in the league in his prime. Nevermind his team.

Go ahead and debate that.

Seriously, this forum sometimes.

 

[waffledave]

Most scouts don’t see him as a #1 at all

Which scouts? The ones who got this draft all wrong?

"Most scouts" also don't have MULTIPLE players drafted at 5 as "superstar scoring potential" BTW.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I don't want to stir anything but perhaps it is time to start questioning whether Hugher/Gorton duo are right for the Habs. Other than one trade (Dach), it's been average at best. All of the picks/prospects Habs got from Chiarot, Toffoli, Lekhs etc trades have turn up nothing to be excited about or wasted. Any decent players on the team (other than Dach) are still Bergevin's (gag, barf). I mean... how much longer do we need to wait to arrive to the same conclusion as with Bergevin? Another 10 years?

still a bit early imo. molson will give these guys at least 5 years

 

[Miller Time]

Am I happy with Reinbacher? Yes. Am I happy with Reinbacher at 5 over Michkov? Hell nah.

This sums up my feelings as well...

But, I also have only second hand information to go on, and the personal bias of having never had an elite ppg player to cheer for on the Habs (Kovy's 1 season notwithstanding).

Hughes avoided the "safe" pr pick, and felt confident enough in Reinbacher over the other prospects the would still be on the board at 7-8 to keep the pick vs getting additional value in trade... Hope he & the scout team are right about that.

It's almost a given that in a draft like this that at least 1-2 players taken outside the top 5 will prove that they should've been taken there... Just gotta hope Bach doesn't prove to be the guy who hindsight shows to be the obvious reach