2023 Free Agency/UFA Targets

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JohnHodgson

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Would you guys ever do this?

To Detroit:

11th pick
Brock Boeser

To Vancouver:
17th pick
43rd pick

Detroit moves up in a deep draft at a small cost of a second round pick and takes a flyer on Boeser to help replenish the scoring that was traded away in Bert and Vrana.

Canucks shed cap space, gain a second round pick, and can probably find a solid D or C at 17.

Thoughts?
 

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Would you guys ever do this?

To Detroit:

11th pick
Brock Boeser

To Vancouver:
17th pick
43rd pick

Detroit moves up in a deep draft at a small cost of a second round pick and takes a flyer on Boeser to help replenish the scoring that was traded away in Bert and Vrana.

Canucks shed cap space, gain a second round pick, and can probably find a solid D or C at 17.

Thoughts?
Vancouver says no
 

norrisnick

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Would you guys ever do this?

To Detroit:

11th pick
Brock Boeser

To Vancouver:
17th pick
43rd pick

Detroit moves up in a deep draft at a small cost of a second round pick and takes a flyer on Boeser to help replenish the scoring that was traded away in Bert and Vrana.

Canucks shed cap space, gain a second round pick, and can probably find a solid D or C at 17.

Thoughts?
That is the one scenario I'd take Boeser. If need be he can be flipped with retention next year.

Picking 9 and 11 would be huge. Especially with Steve chummy with the Blues so we might get a heads up on their intentions at 10.
 

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Would you guys ever do this?

To Detroit:

11th pick
Brock Boeser

To Vancouver:
17th pick
43rd pick

Detroit moves up in a deep draft at a small cost of a second round pick and takes a flyer on Boeser to help replenish the scoring that was traded away in Bert and Vrana.

Canucks shed cap space, gain a second round pick, and can probably find a solid D or C at 17.

Thoughts?
I would do this, absolutely.

I would probably still add on Detroit's side with another pick for next year. If they want 2024 second, then I am adding Zadina or Chiarot as a rider. If they won't take the extra dump, then I'd just add a 4th or 5th 2024. Don't really know their needs or anything, but it helps us get rid of two guys that just don't have a future in Detroit.

DET:
11th
Boeser

VAN:
17th
43rd
2024 2nd
Zadina/Chiarot
 
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norrisnick

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I would do this, absolutely.

I would probably still add on Detroit's side with another pick for next year. If they want 2024 second, then I am adding Zadina or Chiarot as a rider. If they won't take the extra dump, then I'd just add a 4th or 5th 2024. Don't really know their needs or anything, but it helps us get rid of two guys that just don't have a future in Detroit.

DET:
11th
Boeser

VAN:
17th
43rd
2024 2nd
Zadina/Chiarot
Why are you negotiating against yourself?
 

Detroit Knights

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Why are you negotiating against yourself?
to get rid of one or 2 people that just don't have a future here...

Also, the original proposal, in my opinion, wouldn't get the deal completely done. I think it would be a starting point or part of the back and forth, but there is no way that deal get's done. With this deep of a draft, why would you go back 6-7 spots for that later 1st and a second? Trading Boeser isn't really a cap dump because he still has some value, even though that may be low value.
 

norrisnick

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to get rid of one or 2 people that just don't have a future here...

Also, the original proposal, in my opinion, wouldn't get the deal completely done. I think it would be a starting point or part of the back and forth, but there is no way that deal get's done. With this deep of a draft, why would you go back 6-7 spots for that later 1st and a second? Trading Boeser isn't really a cap dump because he still has some value, even though that may be low value.
Boeser's contract has less value than Zadina's.
 

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Boeser's contract has less value than Zadina's.
I know you in your heart of hearts believe that because you just love Zadina with an infatuation that not many can truly comprehend, but I would value Boeser for what he offers and what we need more than a 4th liner that is literally just taking up space because we signed him to a multi-year contract.
 

norrisnick

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I know you in your heart of hearts believe that because you just love Zadina with an infatuation that not many can truly comprehend, but I would value Boeser for what he offers and what we need more than a 4th liner that is literally just taking up space because we signed him to a multi-year contract.
$6.65M for two more years vs $1.85M

That's a hell of a lot of cheddar for a guy that's never been as good as Perron.
 

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$6.65M for two more years vs $1.85M
What is your point? Zadina at 1.85 is worthless. He hit an amazing 10 goals a few years ago...cool? 6.65M for Boeser isn't worthless because he is putting up 20 goals 25 assists a year. Yeah Boeser is obviously over paid for his most recent production, but Vancouver has also been a hell-hole of rumors/trade baits/coach carousal. He also isn't playing with Pettersson or anyone like that. For instance, he was on the 3rd/4th line playing with Nils Aman and Dakota Joshua after the trade deadline this year. Hats off to you if you know them because I have no idea who they are.

Or he is playing with JT Miller and Giuseppe. Again, insert him into any one of our top 9 and not only do we become much more improved, he will produce considerably more. You absolutely cannot say that about Zadina and I would take Czarnik or Luff at 1.85M in a second over Zadina, knowing full well that I won't get more than 5 goals from them all year. That is how worthless Zadina has and will always be, unfortunately.
 

norrisnick

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What is your point? Zadina at 1.85 is worthless. He hit an amazing 10 goals a few years ago...cool? 6.65M for Boeser isn't worthless because he is putting up 20 goals 25 assists a year. Yeah Boeser is obviously over paid for his most recent production, but Vancouver has also been a hell-hole of rumors/trade baits/coach carousal. He also isn't playing with Pettersson or anyone like that. For instance, he was on the 3rd/4th line playing with Nils Aman and Dakota Joshua after the trade deadline this year. Hats off to you if you know them because I have no idea who they are.

Or he is playing with JT Miller and Giuseppe. Again, insert him into any one of our top 9 and not only do we become much more improved, he will produce considerably more. You absolutely cannot say that about Zadina and I would take Czarnik or Luff at 1.85M in a second over Zadina, knowing full well that I won't get more than 5 goals from them all year. That is how worthless Zadina has and will always be, unfortunately.
My point is that evaluations of Zadina are almost impossible around here. Grudges of him being 6OA still run deep. People got over Ras. It'll take a bit longer for Fil.
 
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My point is that evaluations of Zadina are almost impossible around here. Grudges of him being 6OA still run deep. People got over Ras. It'll take a bit longer for Fil.
I don't care where he was picked.

Zadina routinely has been out of position defensively. He doesn't really have a good shot. His passing could be worked on a lot more.

Literally, the only thing going for him is his hustle where when he tries he absolutely can do some good. But that is few and far between. He cannot string along a great shift in what seems like more than two times in one game.

If we are bringing up draft position then yes, he is a bust for what he was picked for. But if he was picked in the later 1st through the 7th round, he would not be in starting rotation and you know that. I would wager quite a bit that he wouldn't be on the NHL roster at all and be trying to compete in GR where he still even underperformed. He got called up to NHL too early and his development got f&#*$@ because of whatever we were dealing with at the time.

But Yzerman thought giving him a couple years on a contract as a "prove it" contract would be beneficial and elevate his game. Well, it hasn't/didn't and he won't be receiving another contract with DET because of it. And if that is the case, why string along a player in an organization that is not the right fit and get him somewhere else to try and elevate his career. At least, that would be the right thing to do by giving him a change of scenery because this scene, it ain't working.
 
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Ivan Fedotov- a swing
Bjugstad- Big vet that can hopefully teach Rasmussen and Soderbolm something.
Schenn- Physical RHD depth.
Rousek- Another swing
Viel- He likes to swing.
Gagner- AHL depth.

Some RFA's, but won't cost too much to aquire.

Last three I see ending up in GR, and they could use that help.
 

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I don't care where he was picked.

Zadina routinely has been out of position defensively. He doesn't really have a good shot. His passing could be worked on a lot more.

Literally, the only thing going for him is his hustle where when he tries he absolutely can do some good. But that is few and far between. He cannot string along a great shift in what seems like more than two times in one game.

If we are bringing up draft position then yes, he is a bust for what he was picked for. But if he was picked in the later 1st through the 7th round, he would not be in starting rotation and you know that. I would wager quite a bit that he wouldn't be on the NHL roster at all and be trying to compete in GR where he still even underperformed. He got called up to NHL too early and his development got f&#*$@ because of whatever we were dealing with at the time.

But Yzerman thought giving him a couple years on a contract as a "prove it" contract would be beneficial and elevate his game. Well, it hasn't/didn't and he won't be receiving another contract with DET because of it. And if that is the case, why string along a player in an organization that is not the right fit and get him somewhere else to try and elevate his career. At least, that would be the right thing to do by giving him a change of scenery because this scene, it ain't working.
Problem with Zadina is RW ruined him by bringing too early. Underdeveloped kid was brought to play against the man, that is why he has confidence problem, don't know if he could fix it
 

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What is your point? Zadina at 1.85 is worthless. He hit an amazing 10 goals a few years ago...cool? 6.65M for Boeser isn't worthless because he is putting up 20 goals 25 assists a year. Yeah Boeser is obviously over paid for his most recent production, but Vancouver has also been a hell-hole of rumors/trade baits/coach carousal. He also isn't playing with Pettersson or anyone like that. For instance, he was on the 3rd/4th line playing with Nils Aman and Dakota Joshua after the trade deadline this year. Hats off to you if you know them because I have no idea who they are.
Wasn't Mr. Joshua the name of the bad guy in Lethal Weapon?
 

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Would you guys ever do this?

To Detroit:

11th pick
Brock Boeser

To Vancouver:
17th pick
43rd pick

Detroit moves up in a deep draft at a small cost of a second round pick and takes a flyer on Boeser to help replenish the scoring that was traded away in Bert and Vrana.

Canucks shed cap space, gain a second round pick, and can probably find a solid D or C at 17.

Thoughts?

Take out the 43rd pick and we’ll take Tyler Myers too.
 

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Arizona is done, time to go after Keller. I think he doesn't want to stay on a team that has no future and who knows how long Arizona can pay his salaries. Profits might be quite slim after this season, let alone after next season.

DET 1st 2024
BOS 1st 2024
Johansson
Buium

for

Keller

Ras - Larkin - Ray
Keller - "O'Rielly"/Copp - Perron
Kubalik - Copp/"Compher" - Berggren
Veleno - Suter - Chiasson
Zadina
Fabbri?

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Määttä - "Mayfield"
"Mikkola"

Husso
"Korpisalo"
 

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Problem with Zadina is RW ruined him by bringing too early. Underdeveloped kid was brought to play against the man, that is why he has confidence problem, don't know if he could fix it
he needs to go to that sports psychologist that mackinnon and pettersson went to go see during their down year. If that doesn't help him then he's just unfixable.

Wasn't Mr. Joshua the name of the bad guy in Lethal Weapon?
 

OgeeOgelthorpe

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Arizona is done, time to go after Keller. I think he doesn't want to stay on a team that has no future and who knows how long Arizona can pay his salaries. Profits might be quite slim after this season, let alone after next season.

DET 1st 2024
BOS 1st 2024
Johansson
Buium

for

Keller

Ras - Larkin - Ray
Keller - "O'Rielly"/Copp - Perron
Kubalik - Copp/"Compher" - Berggren
Veleno - Suter - Chiasson
Zadina
Fabbri?

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Määttä - "Mayfield"
"Mikkola"

Husso
"Korpisalo"

Leave the Buium in the trade, take out the Johansson.:thumbu:
 

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Arizona is done, time to go after Keller. I think he doesn't want to stay on a team that has no future and who knows how long Arizona can pay his salaries. Profits might be quite slim after this season, let alone after next season.

DET 1st 2024
BOS 1st 2024
Johansson
Buium

for

Keller

Ras - Larkin - Ray
Keller - "O'Rielly"/Copp - Perron
Kubalik - Copp/"Compher" - Berggren
Veleno - Suter - Chiasson
Zadina
Fabbri?

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Määttä - "Mayfield"
"Mikkola"

Husso
"Korpisalo"
I hate damn near everything about this lineup you concocted lmao.

Ras - Larkin - Ray ---> Keller - Larkin - Kubalik
Keller - "O'Rielly"/Copp - Perron ---> Ray - Copp/Kasper - Berggren
Kubalik - Copp/"Compher" - Berggren ---> Ras - Compher/Kasper - Fabbri
Veleno - Suter - Chiasson ---> Soderblom - Suter/Compher - Chiasson
Zadina ---> where is the moon?
Fabbri? ---> Mazur

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Määttä - "Mayfield"
---> Maata - Gudas
"Mikkola" ---> AlJo (trade someone else for keller)

Husso
"Korpisalo"
---> Adin Hill

I would change a few things but working off mainly your list of players, that lineup makes a lot more sense.
 
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norrisnick

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I hate damn near everything about this lineup you concocted lmao.

Ras - Larkin - Ray ---> Keller - Larkin - Kubalik
Keller - "O'Rielly"/Copp - Perron ---> Ras - Copp/Kasper - Berggren
Kubalik - Copp/"Compher" - Berggren ---> Perron(or traded) - Compher/Kasper - Fabbri
Veleno - Suter - Chiasson ---> Soderblom - Suter/Compher - Chiasson
Zadina ---> where is the moon?
Fabbri? ---> Mazur

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Chiarot
Määttä - "Mayfield"
---> Maata - Gudas
"Mikkola" ---> AlJo (trade someone else for keller)

Husso
"Korpisalo"
---> Adin Hill

I would change a few things but working off mainly your list of players, that lineup makes a lot more sense.
Did you moonshot Raymond as well?
 
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