Prospect Info: 2023 Draft Thread (Yotes picking #6 & #12)

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Jagged Ice

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So is Olive Moore the next Sjostrom or Boedker?
Moore's probably the best skater in the draft with an unreal work ethic according to former coaches. Future Gopher as well so he'll be playing with Cooley this fall/winter. I'd be fine with taking him at #12. He seems like a very safe pick to me.
 

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And with an amazing draft for blueliners coming up next year.
I trust our guys, a lot actually. It just seems so underwhelming in such a forward heavy draft and we have the 6th pick. Oh well.
I agree 100% missed opportunity .. Always BPA and trade him for a D if you have to down the road .. BA has said many times BPA .. so I would be extremely disappointed if him we grabbed him at 6 .. I know I am broken record but man oh man .... We have played that game way too often in the past ... With the scouting team BA put together I have confidence they will make the right move .
 
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I agree 100% missed opportunity .. Always BPA and trade him for a D if you have to down the road .. BA has said many times BPA .. so I would be extremely disappointed if him we grabbed him at 6 .. I know I am broken record but man oh man ....
I'm not expecting Reinbacher to be our pick here. Not with our scouts. If we do, then Reinbacher is a very, very special player.
 
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I’m expecting michkov to be available at 6 and then we’ll pass on him for Leonard and regret it. And then at 12 Reinbacher will be available and we’ll pass on him for some tall guy and regret it
 

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Better grab Leonard at 6th and get Benson at 12th.
Benson will be long gone by #12. IMO he is a top 5 prospect in this draft. I can almost bet BA and co have Benson rated higher than Leonard. IMO Leonard is a bit overhyped.

I’m expecting michkov to be available at 6 and then we’ll pass on him for Leonard and regret it. And then at 12 Reinbacher will be available and we’ll pass on him for some tall guy and regret it
I think Benson will be taken by us at #6 if he is still there. The scouts have seen a lot of him because of him playing on Winnipeg with Geekie. #12 is a crap shoot though, and I have no idea who the Yotes select there.
 

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I'm not expecting Reinbacher to be our pick here. Not with our scouts. If we do, then Reinbacher is a very, very special player.
If you forced me to put money one guy, it’d be Reinbacher being our pick. Only because I think Montreal is taking Leonard and San Jose is taking Smith. Philly is then getting Michkov.

If Michkov somehow goes 4-5 and the Smith/Leonard stuff is a smokescreen, then we’re getting Leonard.
 

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Any other guesses on Montreal's pick at 5? Listening to a radio show from Vancouver the other day a scout they had on from Elite Prospects seemed confident that Montreal would take Reinbacher. Given all the rumors it seems like our list and theirs may share some top players (Leonard, Reinbacher, Dvorsky). Should be a fun one to find out how this all shakes out.
 

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Who did we have dinner with at combine. Just Leonard and Reinbacher?

Any other guesses on Montreal's pick at 5? Listening to a radio show from Vancouver the other day a scout they had on from Elite Prospects seemed confident that Montreal would take Reinbacher. Given all the rumors it seems like our list and theirs may share some top players (Leonard, Reinbacher, Dvorsky). Should be a fun one to find out how this all shakes out.
Recrutes thinks habs r deep on d prospects and are going after a forward. Leonard fits the description if that is the case as he also says they aren’t targeting Mitchkov
 

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If you forced me to put money one guy, it’d be Reinbacher being our pick. Only because I think Montreal is taking Leonard and San Jose is taking Smith. Philly is then getting Michkov.

If Michkov somehow goes 4-5 and the Smith/Leonard stuff is a smokescreen, then we’re getting Leonard.
What in your head thinks this team is taking Ryan Leonard #6 overall?

#1 Bedard
#2 Fantilli
#3 Carlsson
#4 Michkov
#5 Benson
#6 Smith

Leonard is good, but this tier of 6 players are a cut above everybody else in this draft.
 
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What in your head thinks this team is taking Ryan Leonard #6 overall?

#1 Bedard
#2 Fantilli
#3 Carlsson
#4 Michkov
#5 Smith
#6 Benson

Leonard is good, but this tier of 6 players are a cut above everybody else in this draft.
I am not convinced BA has Benson higher than Leonard… if everyone picks BPA..I believe Leonard is available at 6

however if Michkov is there at 6 you take him or trade down to Washington and pick up some extra assets and grab Benson there

all my opinion .. but I believe Benson will be available at 8
 

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I am not convinced BA has Benson higher than Leonard… if everyone picks BPA..I believe Leonard is available at 6

however if Michkov is there at 6 you take him or trade down to Washington and pick up some extra assets and grab Benson there

all my opinion .. but I believe Benson will be available at 8
Benson has the best hockey sense in this draft minus Bedard imo. He thinks the game 3-4 steps ahead of everybody else. Matt Tkachuk said it best, most guys in the NHL can skate at the same level, even shoot at the same level for the most part. The difference between an elite player and a good player is hockey sense.
Leonard has a NHL ready body for the show, but he doesn't think the game like the six players I mentioned above. Passing up Benson to draft Leonard would be a dinosaur way of thinking and honestly could set this franchise back. Benson is going to be an elite NHL player. I can't say the same for Leonard. I think he tops out as a top 6 forward, but not elite.

What in your mind thinks that Leonard is a better hockey player than Benson? All he has on him is size and is a right handed shot.
 

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Benson has the best hockey sense in this draft minus Bedard imo. He thinks the game 3-4 steps ahead of everybody else. Matt Tkachuk said it best, most guys in the NHL can skate at the same level, even shoot at the same level for the most part. The difference between an elite player and a good player is hockey sense.
Leonard has a NHL ready body for the show, but he doesn't think the game like the six players I mentioned above. Passing up Benson to draft Leonard would be a dinosaur way of thinking and honestly could set this franchise back. Benson is going to be an elite NHL player. I can't say the same for Leonard. I think he tops out as a top 6 forward, but not elite.

What in your mind thinks that Leonard is a better hockey player than Benson? All he has on him is size and is a right handed shot.
sorry, had to edit...clearly poorly written (what I wrote initially wrote was hard to follow)

it is your opinion that Benson has the best hockey sense. That isn't a fact, as other scouts have various opinions on the matter. Clearly he has one of the best hockey IQ in the draft, but the best, c'mon.

That is why I like putting players in tiers, because other than the clear #1 Bedard, there are players that seem to fit with other players. Benson for me is in the 3rd or 4th tier behind guys like Fantilli/Michkov/Carlsson

The question is how far behind...but the very best hockey IQ as a statement of fact is clearly not the case.
 

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According to you he doesn't think the game the same way...that's not a "fact" that Benson has the best hockey sense in the draft. It's an opinion you have, it's certainly not the consensus because I've seen Benson all over the board from #3 to #23, so obviously opinions vary.

You can say you think he has the best hockey sense, but it's not "fact".
I never said he had the best hockey sense in the draft. @rt nailed it above with his Joe Sakic comparison. Passing on Benson will be a massive mistake. He not only has great hockey sense, but he is an unbelievable worker. This is the type of player that BA loves, and seeing that BA took Cooley last year, who isn't that big, I can't see BA and scouts passing up on him.

Leonard has this new toy shiny syndrome after the U18s and I think that is skewing people's perception of him. Idc where players are ranked, go watch highlights and scouting videos of both of these guys, and tell me which one you think has the higher potential to be great.

Rankings do not mean shit, Joe Sakic was drafted 15th overall due to his size, and it looks like Benson is going to be drafted later because of it too, but smaller wingers are flourishing in todays NHL.

EDIT: Also, Benson played with Geekie this year, which def is another factor on why I think the Yotes should take him. The two had chemistry on the ice.
 
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sorry, had to edit...clearly poorly written (what I wrote initially wrote was hard to follow)

it is your opinion that Benson has the best hockey sense. That isn't a fact, as other scouts have various opinions on the matter. Clearly he has one of the best hockey IQ in the draft, but the best, c'mon.

That is why I like putting players in tiers, because other than the clear #1 Bedard, there are players that seem to fit with other players. Benson for me is in the 3rd or 4th tier behind guys like Fantilli/Michkov/Carlsson

The question is how far behind...but the very best hockey IQ as a statement of fact is clearly not the case.


Watch this video. It highlights Benson, and how great he really is at both ends of the ice. IMO, he is a better playmaker than Bedard is. IF Benson was 6'1 200 lbs, he would prob go 2nd in this draft. Good chance he would have went 1st last year and the year before.
 

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What in your head thinks this team is taking Ryan Leonard #6 overall?

#1 Bedard
#2 Fantilli
#3 Carlsson
#4 Michkov
#5 Smith
#6 Benson

Leonard is good, but this tier of 6 players are a cut above everybody else in this draft.
It’s not in my head. If you paid attention you’d know too.



Watch this video. It highlights Benson, and how great he really is at both ends of the ice. IMO, he is a better playmaker than Bedard is. IF Benson was 6'1 200 lbs, he would prob go 2nd in this draft. Good chance he would have went 1st last year and the year before.

I’ve watched Benson play 50 times over the last two seasons. It’s why he’s 4th overall on my list. The earliest I see him going is 8th or 9th. But I think 12th is a very good possibility as 10th and 11th aren’t great fits (should be looking at C or D there, but the hometown angle at 11th might make it happen). I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the Yotes passed on him twice.
 

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I never said he had the best hockey sense in the draft. @rt nailed it above with his Joe Sakic comparison. Passing on Benson will be a massive mistake. He not only has great hockey sense, but he is an unbelievable worker. This is the type of player that BA loves, and seeing that BA took Cooley last year, who isn't that big, I can't see BA and scouts passing up on him.

Leonard has this new toy shiny syndrome after the U18s and I think that is skewing people's perception of him. Idc where players are ranked, go watch highlights and scouting videos of both of these guys, and tell me which one you think has the higher potential to be great.

Rankings do not mean shit, Joe Sakic was drafted 15th overall due to his size, and it looks like Benson is going to be drafted later because of it too, but smaller wingers are flourishing in todays NHL.

EDIT: Also, Benson played with Geekie this year, which def is another factor on why I think the Yotes should take him. The two had chemistry on the ice.
Benson didn’t generally play with Geekie. Not usually at 5v5 and not usually on PP or PK. Neither this season nor last, typically.
 

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It’s not in my head. If you paid attention you’d know too.


I’ve watched Benson play 50 times over the last two seasons. It’s why he’s 4th overall on my list. The earliest I see him going is 8th or 9th. But I think 12th is a very good possibility as 10th and 11th aren’t great fits (should be looking at C or D there, but the hometown angle at 11th might make it happen).
Why because Leonard went out for supper with Bill Armstrong? I get that people have said Benson will drop on draft day, but I really can't see it happening. I am glad you see how good Benson is, I think he is better than Will Smith as well. Smith is lazy in his own end. Also, I can't see Benson falling past philly. I think Danny Briere takes him if he is still there.

Benson didn’t generally play with Geekie. Not usually at 5v5 and not usually on PP or PK. Neither this season nor last, typically.
Did you watch Benson that closely? They didn't play together all the time, but there was def spurts this year where they were playing on the same line. The coach seemed to always switch up the lines.
 

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Watch this video. It highlights Benson, and how great he really is at both ends of the ice. IMO, he is a better playmaker than Bedard is. IF Benson was 6'1 200 lbs, he would prob go 2nd in this draft. Good chance he would have went 1st last year and the year before.

I'm not disagreeing that his hockey IQ isn't good, I'm arguing that you don't know for a fact that it is the best. There is no way to know but clearly it is right up there with the rest of the top tier players, which is why he's considered by most to be a top 10 guy.

I have Benson 6th, I have 5 players that I think are better.
 
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I'm not disagreeing that his hockey IQ isn't good, I'm arguing that you don't know for a fact that it is the best. There is no way to know but clearly it is right up there with the rest of the top tier players, which is why he's considered by most to be a top 10 guy.

I have Benson 6th, I have 5 players that I think are better.
I truly think other than Bedard he has the best hockey sense in this draft. The amount of chances this kid generates is unbelievable. His advanced stat metrics are off the charts. He also had the 2nd best +/- in the WHL. I know he played on a top team, but still, he is great on both ends of the ice.
 

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I truly think other than Bedard he has the best hockey sense in this draft. The amount of chances this kid generates is unbelievable. His advanced stat metrics are off the charts. He also had the 2nd best +/- in the WHL. I know he played on a top team, but still, he is great on both ends of the ice.
I like him a lot...problem that i have is that we already have smaller players or players that play small in Keller, Schmaltz, Maccelli all that are top 6 players and if we add Benson, then 4 of the top 6 players play small or are small.

If we added Benson then the top 6 would only have 1 player that plays with grit (Cooley)...imho that isn't enough to excel in the playoffs. Need more sandpaper like what Leonard brings even though he might have a lower ceiling, he's got intangibles that coaches covet.
 
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