2023 Draft Prospect Polls: Happy/Mad with Nate Danielson at #9?

[HisNoodliness]

I like Danielson, but don't love him. I think that sometimes his skill gets underrated and he has enough projectable tools to be a top 6 C, and an outside chance at blossoming into a true top line guy though that would surprise me.

Normally I'd say I'd be happy with him. However he seems somewhat redundant with Kasper to me. Larkin, Kasper, and Danielson are all of a pretty similar mold and I'd like at least one of our centers to be someone with a bit more creativity to their game.

So ultimately I have Henkka's lack of emotion for Danielson. I'd be happy with him at at 17 though there's a solid chance that he's not my first choice there either (assuming he's around which I doubt he will be).

 

[Frk It]

It's stated a tad flippantly, but it makes total sense.

Say you've got a kid 6'2" 190lb great skater, hard worker, very physically fit and he's putting up 30G 40A 70P
Now you've got another kid 6'2" 170lb eh skater, a bit lax on defense, pretty soft physically and he's putting up 30G 40A 70P

Who can you work with and improve more? Is there a higher chance of complete failure? Absolutely. But if there are obvious factors that a coaching staff can work on to improve a player, the gains will be much bigger than a guy that's already playing a pro game with a pro body.

What if he can’t put on any more weight? (Landon Ferraro)? What if he can’t add any to his skating? (Xavier Ouellet). What if he can’t improve his IQ? (Ryan Sproul)? What if he can’t improve his compete? (Anthony Mantha)

Having a flaw can go a number of different ways. It can do you in as a player or you can make it a non-issue. Again, another situation where there is a range of outcomes.

Scouts do not like flaws in most cases. It’s part of why Adam Fantilli is so well regarded in this draft class, he has little to no flaws as a hockey player. It’s not something being held against him, nor should it be.

You’re not going to convince anyone being able to check all the boxes is a bad thing, and I am not going to put any more effort into discussing that today.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

If we get a right handed Cozens out of Danielson, then the pick is a home run.

 

[norrisnick]

What if he can’t put on any more weight? (Landon Ferraro)? What if he can’t add any to his skating? (Xavier Ouellet). What if he can’t improve his IQ? (Ryan Sproul)? What if he can’t improve his compete? (Anthony Mantha)

Having a flaw can go a number of different ways. It can do you in as a player or you can make it a non-issue. Again, another situation where there is a range of outcomes.

Scouts do not like flaws in most cases. It’s part of why Adam Fantilli is so well regarded in this draft class, he has little to no flaws as a hockey player. It’s not something being held against him, nor should it be.

Then he fails as a player. It all depends on how confident you are in fixing said flaws. Are some flaws terminal? Absolutely.

But if Wood hits his full potential and Danielson hits his full potential, who is the better player?

Risk is something that factors in. Being risk averse can be just as crippling as taking too many risks.

And Fantilli is also dominating 20 year-olds as an 18 year-old. You cut his production in half and suddenly his lack of flaws is much less appealing.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I like Danielson, but don't love him. I think that sometimes his skill gets underrated and he has enough projectable tools to be a top 6 C, and an outside chance at blossoming into a true top line guy though that would surprise me.

Normally I'd say I'd be happy with him. However he seems somewhat redundant with Kasper to me. Larkin, Kasper, and Danielson are all of a pretty similar mold and I'd like at least one of our centers to be someone with a bit more creativity to their game.

So ultimately I have Henkka's lack of emotion for Danielson. I'd be happy with him at at 17 though there's a solid chance that he's not my first choice there either (assuming he's around which I doubt he will be).

I think Danielson's offensive game (at least at the pro level) would benefit from playing right wing.

A lineup of...

Kubalik - Larkin - Danielsson
Berggren - Kasper - Raymond
Rasmussen - Copp - Mazur/Perron

has the potential to be realgud. Berggren and Raymond have shown great chemistry whenever they play together and I think need a defensive lynchpin and board battler to make it work. Larkin elevates the play of whoever he's with as well, and we saw that Ras, Copp and Perron were very solid when together.

 

[jkutswings]

2023 Draft Prospect Polls: Happy/Mad with poll number 2386?

I'm just glad the playoffs are over, so real off-season news can start to fill the void for cabin feverish fans of rebuilding teams.

 

[Frk It]

2023 Draft Prospect Polls: Happy/Mad with poll number 2386?

I'm just glad the playoffs are over, so real off-season news can start to fill the void for cabin feverish fans of rebuilding teams.

There’s 5 threads, ya drama queen.

Also this is a prospect-oriented site, lol

 

[newfy]

That's his upside.

If you can guarantee an upside of a defensively sound 30/30 or 20/40 guy, by all means yes, draft him. But this is just as easily a 15/15 or 10/20 type of guy that peaks as a 3C or even less.

Thats not his absolute upside

How do you know that is his absolute upside?

How many centers with this type of profile have we seen exceed their perceived upside?

For fans of the team that drafted Dylan Larkin, this kind of black/white absolute thinking is so weird to me.

Danielson is the Kasper of this draft. A late riser thats liked way more by actually NHL scouts than the media "scouts". Does a little bit of everything and plays a really pro game. Played on a bad team but was the clear best player, has some gritand offensive upside and like Kasper will be a shitty guy to play against in a playoff series.

I posted this in another thread but its more relevant here.

This is what legit NHL scouts and executives have to say about Danielson. The question was who is the number 2 player in the WHL this year behind Bedard. A couple others answered Benson and one Yager but the overhwleming favourite was Danielson

“Danielson. He has so much going for him. He’s a great skater, the size down the middle, he has skill, hockey sense, he plays both ways. He could be a better skating version of Anton Lundell.”

“Danielson has an easy path to being a top two-line NHL center. He skates very well, he’s smart, he competes, he has NHL size. People are sleeping on him.”

“Danielson has a lot of NHL in him, a ton of upside between his size, skating and skill. He didn’t have as much around him as the other top guys, but he would have put up a lot of points on a different team.”

“I lean Danielson. He looks like a no-doubt NHL center, a guy who is going to play for a long time and be very good for you. I can’t sit here and promise you big point totals, maybe they come, maybe they don’t, but you can pick him and sleep easy.”

“It’s between Danielson and Honzek for me. I lean Danielson because of the position. Both have NHL bodies and skating ability, produce offense and are two-way guys.”

This is where the scouts were asked who isnt getting enough love publically

“Nate Danielson. He’s an all-day NHL player, candidate to go in the top 10. He skates, competes and has the size of an NHL center and I think there will be enough offense for him to play big minutes.”

 

[jaster]

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"The Cellar." A film about escaping what feels like a maximum security prison - the bottom of the standings. Starring Steve Yzerman as a former star player, who mentors the precocious, young up-and-comer, played by Nate Danielson, who definitely f***ed the prom queen.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I think Benson's offensive game (at least at the pro level) would benefit from playing right wing.

A lineup of...

Kubalik - Larkin - Danielsson
Berggren - Kasper - Raymond
Rasmussen - Copp - Mazur/Perron

has the potential to be realgud. Berggren and Raymond have shown great chemistry whenever they play together and I think need a defensive lynchpin and board battler to make it work. Larkin elevates the play of whoever he's with as well, and we saw that Ras, Copp and Perron were very solid when together.

benson or danielson?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

There have been a few posts about why people like Danielson, but I'm not seeing any strong counter arguments about why he would be a bad pick at 9.

Someone please explain in detail why they would be mad about Danielson. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

benson or danielson?

Benson is more skilled (keep in mind there's a difference between skill and talent)
Danielson is a much better skater and bigger.
Benson could potentially boom more.
Danielson is more of a sure thing.

Both have great motors and are strong defensive workers. Both have great shooting/passing abilities. Both are very smart players. Both can have an "S" added to their names to make them sound more like Hakan picks.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Benson is more skilled (keep in mind there's a difference between skill and talent)
Danielson is a much better skater and bigger.
Benson could potentially boom more.
Danielson is more of a sure thing.

Both have great motors and are strong defensive workers. Both have great shooting/passing abilities. Both are very smart players. Both can have an "S" added to their names to make them sound more like Hakan picks.

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more meant you said benson would be better suited for right wing then listed a lineup with danielson

Even if we were picking 6 i’d be hard pressed to pick between Benson/Danielson/Leonard and Perrault. I m pretty set on one of those 4 at 9th.

 

[jkutswings]

There’s 5 threads, ya drama queen.

Also this is a prospect-oriented site, lol

That's Drama King to you!

If people really want it, then fine. It just seems overkill to the point of silliness to have a draft thread, and then a poll for every semi-realistic candidate at each draft position.

But I suppose I'm biased to begin with, since I don't really value fan polls.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

more meant you said benson would be better suited for right wing then listed a lineup with danielson

Fixed!

But as far as who I want for Detroit at #9 this is the order:

Reinbacher
Leonard
Benson
Danielson
Dvorsky

Depending on the day or how much coffee I've had I'll flip flop between Benson and Danielson.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Something about having a Larkin/Kasper/Danielson lineup down the middle in a couple of years seems highly appealing.

Get a winger or two to pop from this draft or from the group we already have, and in what we already could pile up on D(do need another RHD), the pieces are starting to finally come together. Just need Cossa to be THAT guy.

 

[norrisnick]

There have been a few posts about why people like Danielson, but I'm not seeing any strong counter arguments about why he would be a bad pick at 9.

Someone please explain in detail why they would be mad about Danielson. Inquiring minds want to know.

Drafting Danielson makes as much sense as drafting Simashev. We have a Danielson at home (Kasper). We have a Simashev at home (Edvinsson).

True top line potential, not squint and hope a middle 6 center can play on the top line) or a RD that isn't ASP. That's what #9 should be.

 

[jaster]

Fixed!

But as far as who I want for Detroit at #9 this is the order:

Reinbacher
Leonard
Benson
Danielson
Dvorsky

Depending on the day or how much coffee I've had I'll flip flop between Benson and Danielson.

I've read some things recently about Reinbacher that I don't like. Kinda feels like there's interest more because he fills a need than because he's a legit top-9 player.

 

[norrisnick]

Fixed!

But as far as who I want for Detroit at #9 this is the order:

Reinbacher
Leonard
Benson
Danielson
Dvorsky

Depending on the day or how much coffee I've had I'll flip flop between Benson and Danielson.

Flip the list for me and slide Danielson to the bottom.

I've read some things recently about Reinbacher that I don't like. Kinda feels like there's interest more because he fills a need than because he's a legit top-9 player.

I've been leaning more towards Willander over Reinbacher for a while. Gimme the low-risk RHD plz.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

The best part about this draft is how many players I'd be happy with at #9. Which is also why I'm 100% on board with moving those 2nds to move up and scoop up whoever's left in the teens. Coming away with 3 players from that group would be huge.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I've read some things recently about Reinbacher that I don't like. Kinda feels like there's interest more because he fills a need than because he's a legit top-9 player.

apparently he interviewed very poorly

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I've read some things recently about Reinbacher that I don't like. Kinda feels like there's interest more because he fills a need than because he's a legit top-9 player.

The blackbook's scouting report was unflattering but also makes me wonder who the f*** they're interviewing this year. Some of the scouting reports I read (I'm assuming the same scout said all the negative things) were either an inability to assess defensive talent, or someone trying to play 4D chess by trying to make everyone else think he's bad so they can take him outside of the top 10.

Reinbacher is the clear best defensive talent in this draft and has top pair upside. Fast, solid passer, very good gap control, no panic in his game, very physical for an 18 year old in a men's league, smart puck management in his own end. Good (not great) offensive instincts. Can and will play big minutes.

Is picking Reinbacher filling a need? Definitely. But he's also, in my opinion, the best player after the top 4. Picking for need and picking BPA is not always mutually exclusive.

Honestly, from what I read in the blackbook so far this year I think that the Eliteprospects draft guide is the better product in 2023.

apparently he interviewed very poorly

Let's see how you conduct an interview in your 2nd or 3rd language.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Drafting Danielson makes as much sense as drafting Simashev. We have a Danielson at home (Kasper). We have a Simashev at home (Edvinsson).

True top line potential, not squint and hope a middle 6 center can play on the top line) or a RD that isn't ASP. That's what #9 should be.

Simashev =/= Edvinsson
Danielson =/= Kasper

They are very different players aside from position. I'm not drinking the Simashev sauce. From what I've seen in his highlights I think he's a plus level athletic defenseman that has Rasmus Ristolainen brain syndrome. Edvinsson always played pretty smart. I don't think I've seen that in what little I've seen of Simashev.
Danielson and Kasper are centers with good skating and strong defensive tendencies. That doesn't make them the same player though.

So how about REAL reasons?

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

The blackbook's scouting report was unflattering but also makes me wonder who the f*** they're interviewing this year. Some of the scouting reports I read (I'm assuming the same scout said all the negative things) were either an inability to assess defensive talent, or someone trying to play 4D chess by trying to make everyone else think he's bad so they can take him outside of the top 10.

Reinbacher is the clear best defensive talent in this draft and has top pair upside. Fast, solid passer, very good gap control, no panic in his game, very physical for an 18 year old in a men's league, smart puck management in his own end. Good (not great) offensive instincts. Can and will play big minutes.

Is picking Reinbacher filling a need? Definitely. But he's also, in my opinion, the best player after the top 4. Picking for need and picking BPA is not always mutually exclusive.

Honestly, from what I read in the blackbook so far this year I think that the Eliteprospects draft guide is the better product in 2023.



Let's see how you conduct an interview in your 2nd or 3rd language.

don’t shoot the messenger

 

[Frk It]

That's Drama King to you!

If people really want it, then fine. It just seems overkill to the point of silliness to have a draft thread, and then a poll for every semi-realistic candidate at each draft position.

But I suppose I'm biased to begin with, since I don't really value fan polls.

There are a couple more weeks til the draft, I think you will survive.