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jfrank21

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These are all different people. WTF does being Czech have to do with anything?

The Russian factor had nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with a viable domestic league kids could play in that is exponentially more financially profitable than riding buses in the AHL or Major Juniors.
Most likely it doesnt. But sometimes we never know what causes front offices to lean more towards players from certain areas...cough...sweden...versus other countries. I was simply wondering if there might be outside factors that would cause this particular front office to lean more towards someone else in the top 10, despite how much potential Sale has. Hopefully it's not a factor whatsoever.
 

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Well, it was what, like one or two high profile Russian kids who were skittish about coming to NA earlier than they wanted who created the whole "russian factor" craze that had players like Tarasenko and Kuznetsov to get passed over. Im not saying that I would have a problem with Sale, give me the next Pasta straight to my veins! Buuuut, having Frk bust, Zadina bust, Mrazek pout his way out of town, Hronek pout about Seider taking his pp time last year, and Vrana burning bridges cant exactly sit well with no nonsense people like Stevie and Draper....
Mrazek was drafted 141st, Frk was drafted 48th... those aren't "busts".

Zadina... sure. Hronek is more of a positive than a negative, all things considered. By a lot. Despite what you hear from @OgeeOgelthorpe
 

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Mrazek was drafted 141st, Frk was drafted 48th... those aren't "busts".

Zadina... sure. Hronek is more of a positive than a negative, all things considered. By a lot. Despite what you hear from @OgeeOgelthorpe

I think you mention me hating Hronek more than I mention hating Hronek.
 

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Mrazek was drafted 141st, Frk was drafted 48th... those aren't "busts".

Zadina... sure. Hronek is more of a positive than a negative, all things considered. By a lot. Despite what you hear from @OgeeOgelthorpe
Ahem, never said Mrazek was a bust in the technical sense of the term, but he certainly busted his way out of town compared to what we all thought we had with him. And Frk was their top pick that draft, up to that point, most of Detroits picks in that range made the show and had decent careers...so he was a bust in that sense. Same as I consider Ferarro a bust. Regardless, Im not sure how it can be argued that we've had a ton of success drafting out of czechia, even if there are a bunch of great czech players. Shit, I was pounding the table for Necas.
 

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I think you mention me hating Hronek more than I mention hating Hronek.
This year, yeah. Last year we couldn't get you to stop.
Ahem, never said Mrazek was a bust in the technical sense of the term, but he certainly busted his way out of town compared to what we all thought we had with him. And Frk was their top pick that draft, up to that point, most of Detroits picks in that range made the show and had decent careers...so he was a bust in that sense. Same as I consider Ferarro a bust.
On one hand, biases exist. You are going to get a little gunshy going back to a well that has not yielded for you in the past.

But when you see it producing for others in the league, you just gotta get past it. Can't limit yourself to only looking at good players in areas you are comfortable or you will miss out on good players.
 

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I think you mention me hating Hronek more than I mention hating Hronek.
It's sort of like Gintama at this point. In place of actually making the joke, we just have to reference it to keep the laughs rolling. Plus Hronek (at least before Chiarot joined his line) has been really good this year so I feel like you have to be a snake in the grass, waiting for his downfall to strike. It's like Bench loving goalies or whatever MBH has going on. We've gotta have a few memes to laugh about on here.

If I posted enough, I'd totally get memed on for complaining about industrious forwards on draft night and then then becoming my favorite players 3 seasons later while the cerebral guy I wanted carves out a nice career in the SHL or wherever. I'm too busy for this forum this year.

Speaking of being too busy, does anyone want to give me a list of players I should try to catch at least a game or two of before the end of the year? I haven't had any time for watching prospect hockey this year and need to do a bit of pre-draft catch-up
 
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It's sort of like Gintama at this point. In place of actually making the joke, we just have to reference it to keep the laughs rolling. Plus Hronek (at least before Chiarot joined his line) has been really good this year so I feel like you have to be a snake in the grass, waiting for his downfall to strike. It's like Bench loving goalies or whatever MBH has going on. We've gotta have a few memes to laugh about on here.

If I posted enough, I'd totally get memed on for complaining about industrious forwards on draft night and then then becoming my favorite players 3 seasons later while the cerebral guy I wanted carves out a nice career in the SHL or wherever. I'm too busy for this forum this year.

Speaking of being too busy, does anyone want to give me a list of players I should try to catch at least a game or two of before the end of the year? I haven't had any time for watching prospect hockey this year and need to do a bit of pre-draft catch-up
Do yourself a favor and watch Connor Bedard.

As for guys in the Wings range, watch the USNTDP. Smith, Moore, Leonard, and Perrault are all very good. Andrew Cristall sounds like a guy you'll like. He may be available but I can see the Wings passing on him, pretty divisive player.
 

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Mrazek was drafted 141st, Frk was drafted 48th... those aren't "busts".

Zadina... sure. Hronek is more of a positive than a negative, all things considered. By a lot. Despite what you hear from @OgeeOgelthorpe

also other than Hronek who has turned out well all of those guys were drafted out of the CHL anyways not the Czech league so them being Czech is mostly just a sidenote

the only guy other than Hronek the Wings have drafted out of the Czech league since Mursak(17 years ago) is Jan Bednar who isn't looking great but was also a 4th round Goalie so most of those aren't gonna pan out anyways
 

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Speaking of being too busy, does anyone want to give me a list of players I should try to catch at least a game or two of before the end of the year? I haven't had any time for watching prospect hockey this year and need to do a bit of pre-draft catch-up

The big 4 are obvious choices
Oliver Moore
Ryan Leonard
Eduard Sale
Andrew Cristall
Zach Benson
David Reinbacher (would not be shocked to see him go in the 4-6 range)
Dalibor Dvorsky
Riley Heidt
Brayden Yager
Will Smith
Noah Dower-Nilsson
Colby Barlow

These are the guys I’m most interested in as first round choices for Detroit. (Some are guys I’d love if Detroit had an a mid/late 1st)
 
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I’m starting to warm up to Riley Heidt. I still like Colby Barlow also. I would somehow like Callie Ritchie with our second pick but it’s not going to happen
 

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I may be sold on this guy. The more I watch him the more I see his creativity shine. He's exactly what we need whether he plays wing or center.
 

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I may be sold on this guy. The more I watch him the more I see his creativity shine. He's exactly what we need whether he plays wing or center.


I don’t know man. There’s just something about his game that doesn’t work for me. I still think he’s my least favorite top 10 rated guy this year.

My personal opinion is this team needs someone that brings more pace than Smith does, and that’s either Moore, Cristall or Leonard for the guys around our pick.
 

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I don’t know man. There’s just something about his game that doesn’t work for me. I still think he’s my least favorite top 10 rated guy this year.

My personal opinion is this team needs someone that brings more pace than Smith does, and that’s either Moore, Cristall or Leonard for the guys around our pick.
That is the one issue. I agree. I think with the right coaching though you can get him to do those things at a higher pace. He for sure doesn't think the game slow. He just plays very deliberate. I could be wrong and he ends up another Zadina.
 

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I don’t know man. There’s just something about his game that doesn’t work for me. I still think he’s my least favorite top 10 rated guy this year.

My personal opinion is this team needs someone that brings more pace than Smith does, and that’s either Moore, Cristall or Leonard for the guys around our pick.
We need offensive skill, and he’s got it. Kasper will bring pace.
 

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The only real issue I see with Smith is that he tries to force things that aren't there a lot, either with his puck carrying or with his passes, so a bit of tunnel visioning where he doesn't see better and easier options. That's the only thing I've noticed quite often that could hold him back, so I'm being somewhat nitpicky as this could easily improve and his upside is insane with his skill level and creativity (we need that). I guess I also somewhat agree with his "pace" but I don't see it as a problem. I'll be very happy if we draft him.
 
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After. I assume the Wings will cash in on their decades of getting shafted in the lottery to vault into the top 4.

Or get pushed back by the Rangers barely missing the postseason and moving up 10 spots.

I assume Smith will be gone in the 5-7 range. Just before the Wings pick.

That’s a mistake I hope someone else makes so Detroit can get Moore.
 

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What if I told you nhl scouts liked the player because of his offensive upside and you need to open your eyes?

What if I told you that even in top years like this there are almost always busts or disappointments in the top 10 despite scouts loving certain prospects?

I’m not doubting the offensive skill but rather worried if he can adjust to higher pace and tougher defense.
 
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What if I told you that even in top years like this there are almost always busts or disappointments in the top 10 despite scouts loving certain prospects?

I’m not doubting the offensive skill but rather worried if he can adjust to higher pace and tougher defense.
I don’t know, relative to where he’s ranked I like him more than I liked Cooley last year.

I think you are just overthinking this like you were with Luke Hughes :dunno:
 

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We need offensive skill, and he’s got it. Kasper will bring pace.

The only real issue I see with Smith is that he tries to force things that aren't there a lot, either with his puck carrying or with his passes, so a bit of tunnel visioning where he doesn't see better and easier options. That's the only thing I've noticed quite often that could hold him back, so I'm being somewhat nitpicky as this could easily improve and his upside is insane with his skill level and creativity (we need that). I guess I also somewhat agree with his "pace" but I don't see it as a problem. I'll be very happy if we draft him.
I am with you guys that I'm willing to bet on his offensive skill. Once you get past those big 4 players who are dominant like that in any one aspect get rarer and rarer. Maybe Smith does have some issues in the NHL with his pace, but his skillset is such that if you put him on a line with guys to compliment that weakness he will produce a ton.
 

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Ehhh, maybe Ogee's phone kiosk rule needs to kick in here...I already get my eyes stuck in the back of my head every time someone makes a slapping reference in the Will Smith thread in the prospects section...I can only imagine the cringe that will follow if we end up drafting him. Now, please tell me MOORE about the COLBY cheese that's on SALE, is it cheaper than the bottle of YAGER? (Ok, I'm stretching with the last one, and I know how Sale is actually pronounced)
 
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