2023 Draft Discussion

[Detroit Knights]

This thinking, could end and will end as many times before really, really badly you know that? Rebuilding team picking 3rd/2nd liner at best, because he is hard working grinder in first round of this draft is just borderline madness. Picking physically strong Rasmussen over Necas who was physically underveloped, non physical, but skilled and ridiculously fast skater was great choice after all eh? Picking Kapanen over small weak, but electrifying playmaker Pastrnak too. Skipping Sebastian Aho thanks to his small size and non physicality, Johny Gadreau, Brayden Point whatever you know the rest. Skill>Physicality/ Compete every fcking day. You can make players eat ice if you have good coach, but you can´t teach skill/ hockey sense.

rasmussen was holland. I don't see yzerman making that pick.

I apologize but I didn't understand your first sentence/question. If I have it right, you are saying that we shouldn't care if the player has compete problems? I'm not really sure I agree at all. Patrick Laine is a great 40 goal player (when he wants to be) but the man has no compete level unless he is in the offensive zone and is waiting for the puck to magically appear on his stick. He will most likely never win anything but a couple scoring titles (even then that is slim because of matthews and mcdavid etc)

I never questioned someone being weak, physically. You can obviously train that.

Skill>Physicality/ Compete every fcking day.

I just disagree with you. But if you are including physicality with compete then there is the problem. They are two very different things. Rudy (from the movie) had no physicality but the man had heart (compete) and would do anything to get it done.

If this is how you think then you believe that the Zadina pick was the absolute best choice right? How about Mantha? Both showed plenty of skill but no compete and look what happened to them. We have now had to spend 6 years training this kid to actually give a shit on the ice and had to trade the other because he just didn't care on the ice unless he was in the o-zone. Do you really want to spend another 6 years trying to develop someone to care enough to play on 200 ft of ice instead of 50?

The obvious answer is High IQ + Compete Level + Skill.

Johny Gadreau, Brayden Point

This makes absolutely no sense because both guys showed tremendous compete in their draft years and continue to do so...again, you must be adding physicality, of which does not make sense at all. Compete > Physicality because physicality can be taught, compete really can't be taught (unless you spend 6 years on one guy that should 100% be traded or sent back to europe at this point which sucks because he had a lot of talent but couldn't bring it to NHL)

 

[GettingYourMoms]

rasmussen was holland. I don't see yzerman making that pick.

I apologize but I didn't understand your first sentence/question. If I have it right, you are saying that we shouldn't care if the player has compete problems? I'm not really sure I agree at all. Patrick Laine is a great 40 goal player (when he wants to be) but the man has no compete level unless he is in the offensive zone and is waiting for the puck to magically appear on his stick. He will most likely never win anything but a couple scoring titles (even then that is slim because of matthews and mcdavid etc)

I never questioned someone being weak, physically. You can obviously train that.



I just disagree with you. But if you are including physicality with compete then there is the problem. They are two very different things. Rudy (from the movie) had no physicality but the man had heart (compete) and would do anything to get it done.

If this is how you think then you believe that the Zadina pick was the absolute best choice right? How about Mantha? Both showed plenty of skill but no compete and look what happened to them. We have now had to spend 6 years training this kid to actually give a shit on the ice and had to trade the other because he just didn't care on the ice unless he was in the o-zone. Do you really want to spend another 6 years trying to develop someone to care enough to play on 200 ft of ice instead of 50?

The obvious answer is High IQ + Compete Level + Skill.



This makes absolutely no sense because both guys showed tremendous compete in their draft years and continue to do so...again, you must be adding physicality, of which does not make sense at all. Compete > Physicality because physicality can be taught, compete really can't be taught (unless you spend 6 years on one guy that should 100% be traded or sent back to europe at this point which sucks because he had a lot of talent but couldn't bring it to NHL)

Yeah because taking 80 point czech(ew) guy, who sometimes takes shifts off(vastly exaggerated, maybe even borderline lie btw) and scores 20-30 goals is much worse and less valuable than 30-40 point grinder drafted in first round, yeah i get that, you are talking like Vancouver scout rn, thank god you are not working as one of the Detroit´s scouting staff. Way to stay in average hell forever. And why are you talking about Zadina, i wanted Dobson badly, i wasn´t even in orgasmic fanatical state as many others here when we picked Zadina, although i was glad czech kid was picked in first round by my fave team. Also talkin about that : ''Yzerman not making Rasmussen pick'' really made me laugh hard, have you heard about Marco Kasper, when guys like Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, Snuggerud were on board?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Yeah because taking 80 point czech(ew) guy, who sometimes takes shifts off(vastly exaggerated, maybe even borderline lie btw) and scores 20-30 goals is much worse and less valuable than 30-40 point grinder drafted in first round, yeah i get that, you are talking like Vancouver scout rn, thank god you are not working as one of the Detroit´s scouting staff. Way to stay in average hell forever. And why are you talking about Zadina, i wanted Dobson badly, i wasn´t even in orgasmic fanatical state as many others here when we picked Zadina, although i was glad czech kid was picked in first round by my fave team. Also talkin about that : ''Yzerman not making Rasmussen pick'' really made me laugh hard, have you heard about Marco Kasper, when guys like Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, Snuggerud were on board?

The point is that Sale is not an 80 point player in the NHL without significant improvement to his compete level. He isn't so skilled that he can play his current game in the NHL and reasonably produce. To that end compete is still very relevant for him.

"Elite skill" needs to be distinguished from "good skill" or "above average skill." At 17 I want the player who will produce the most in the NHL. That is not the same as saying I want the player who displays the most individual technical puck skills. Skill needs to translate up.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Yeah because taking 80 point czech(ew) guy, who sometimes takes shifts off(vastly exaggerated, maybe even borderline lie btw) and scores 20-30 goals is much worse and less valuable than 30-40 point grinder drafted in first round, yeah i get that, you are talking like Vancouver scout rn, thank god you are not working as one of the Detroit´s scouting staff. Way to stay in average hell forever. And why are you talking about Zadina, i wanted Dobson badly, i wasn´t even in orgasmic fanatical state as many others here when we picked Zadina, although i was glad czech kid was picked in first round by my fave team. Also talkin about that : ''Yzerman not making Rasmussen pick'' really made me laugh hard, have you heard about Marco Kasper, when guys like Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, Snuggerud were on board?

at some point, people have to realize you are either trolling or you know Sale personally and just defend him everywhere. Or you are the same nationality as him and are defending your country.

Either way, all of your arguments literally make no sense and I'll just stop responding lmao. I hope every goes better for you or goes the exact same (whichever you prefer)

 

[GettingYourMoms]

The point is that Sale is not an 80 point player in the NHL without significant improvement to his compete level. He isn't so skilled that he can play his current game in the NHL and reasonably produce. To that end compete is still very relevant for him.

"Elite skill" needs to be distinguished from "good skill" or "above average skill." At 17 I want the player who will produce the most in the NHL. That is not the same as saying I want the player who displays the most individual technical puck skills. Skill needs to translate up.

The point is that Sale CAN be 80 point player unlike many others ranked before him, and he IS more skilled than many other player ranked before him. I would even say that if many scouts weren´t so low on his extraliga production, which is extremely funny btw looking at production of other czech prospects like Hertl, Kulich, Chytil, Necas, Jiricek, Svozil, he would be top 10 pick easily, you know. It will be very funny seeing him produce at nearly point per game pace in offensive AHL, when everybody will ask AGAIN, how is it possible when he had so horrible(lol) production in czech extraliga. Even Zadina who had 2 points in 25 games in Extraliga had 87 points in 57 games next year in CHL, Grindy, physical and defensive Extraliga is extremely underrated when it comes to developing prospects. Kulich had just(lol) 14 points in 50 games in extraliga, next year in ahl being best goalcorer on the team and ppg player in playoffs, having historical season as 18-19yo and i can go on and on.

 

[Frk It]

At 17 I want the player who will produce the most in the NHL. That is not the same as saying I want the player who displays the most individual technical puck skills. Skill needs to translate up.

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[Barry Amsterdam]

we need 2 of Benson Yager Danielson for the bromance.

41,42,42 for 15.

and get all 3

 

[Detroit Knights]

we need 2 of Benson Yager Danielson for the bromance.

41,42,42 for 15.

and get all 3

This would literally win the draft I think.

If for some crazy reason (and no I don't think itll happen but fuc* it why not) I would take Dvorsky at 15 if available.

Benson - Dvorsky - Danielsson would legit be a dominant line in its own right, much less be a phenomenal draft. Literally, any other picks in the draft would be inconsequential to me because we already won, so they are just icing on the cake if they amount to anything above 5 games in the NHL.

Yzerman, you listening? Get it done....sir!

 

[ZDH]

Lol

Barry Trotz: Nashville Predators trying to move into top four in NHL Draft | TSN

Incoming Nashville Predators general manager Barry Trotz said Monday the team is trying to move into the top four picks at this week's NHL Draft.

www.tsn.ca

Good luck Barry, like the optimism but welcome to the real world where this never f***ing happens.

 

[Shortstuff]

Give me benson, dvorsky or Leonard

 

[Christien]

Making a prediction that the top 8 will go like this, in no particular order:
Bedard
Carlsson
Fantilli
Michkov
Smith
Reinbacher
Leonard
Dvorsky

If I'm right, we should go with Benson all day at 9. He's brilliant at making plays, and he's so good defensively. I'd also consider Barlow here, he's exactly what this team needs... a goal scorer.

EP did a great job with this video, and like how they show Benson's defending starting at 6:40

 

[Detroit Knights]

So, boston seems to be making some moves now to clear cap space. With all this being said, I truly think Bergeron and/or Krejci are making a comeback next year. So, assume they sign those two + bert? and shore up their defense...that 2024 1st we got from them is going to be a 20-30 pick.

We should definitely be using that as a trade chip right now. There is literally no other reason for clearing up this amount of space to not be signing 2 of the 3 players i listed above so that 1st is going to be low in a bad draft year.

Throw that shit away to someone for something to help us in this year's draft or debrincat trade? Would much more prefer our 43OA + Bost 1st to try and get into top 20?

 

[ZDH]

Boston might shit the bed hard next year. They're losing some important pieces. Id keep that 1st and roll the dice. Remember, if they miss the playoffs we get a small % chance at #1.

 

[Chad Smiley]

Making a prediction that the top 8 will go like this, in no particular order:
Bedard
Carlsson
Fantilli
Michkov
Smith
Reinbacher
Leonard
Dvorsky

If I'm right, we should go with Benson all day at 9. He's brilliant at making plays, and he's so good defensively. I'd also consider Barlow here, he's exactly what this team needs... a goal scorer.

EP did a great job with this video, and like how they show Benson's defending starting at 6:40

If Benson is on the board at #9 and Yzerman selects someone like Honzek or Simashev I am done. I'm tired of passing up better talent for guys that don't fit the Yzerman way or are too small. Going into year 5 and still picking in the top 10.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

If Benson is on the board at #9 and Yzerman selects someone like Honzek or Simashev I am done. I'm tired of passing up better talent for guys that don't fit the Yzerman way or are too small. Going into year 5 and still picking in the top 10.

I hope to god we pass on that circus midget Benson at 9. I am tired of all of the clowns on this board who haven't spent a day of their life in an ice rink telling us that size and skating don't matter. I will be genuinely pissed if we take Benson at 9. He is pure fool's gold as an NHLer. I can't wait until Brady Tkachuk puts his forearm through his teeth and knocks his block to Yellowknife.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Boston might shit the bed hard next year. They're losing some important pieces. Id keep that 1st and roll the dice. Remember, if they miss the playoffs we get a small % chance at #1.

top 10 protected

 

[Detroit Knights]

why are they swimming for funzies in the middle of a gaht dam war??? The fuc* is wrong with those people...jesus.

 

[ZDH]

top 10 protected

F

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

F

but if they get 1-10 it goes to 2025 unprotected.. And they’ll probably be even worse

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

If Benson is on the board at #9 and Yzerman selects someone like Honzek or Simashev I am done. I'm tired of passing up better talent for guys that don't fit the Yzerman way or are too small. Going into year 5 and still picking in the top 10.

I trust Yzerman more than I trust Chad Smiley. If I had to choose between Yzerman picking Honzek at 9 or Chad Smiley being not done, well, that pick just makes itself.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Uh...what the hell kind of interview question is that?

 

[Vector Cereal]

The Athletic ran an article on who has the best draft assets this year. Chicago the clear winner but Detroit in a tight 4th with the 2nd and 3rd teams. I’ve said it before but we have some of the most “unrealized value” in the league in terms of picks, prospects on the way, and cap space, especially relative to where we are in the standings. Most of our eventual playoff team hasn’t arrived yet and we were almost a wild card team this year. Lots to be hopeful for and a very critical year or two to come

 

[Detroit Knights]

but if they get 1-10 it goes to 2025 unprotected.. And they’ll probably be even worse

this is the real upside. and I don't know what 2025 draft will bring, others here probably have a better handle on that, but hopefully it is somewhat better than next year. Only if this scenario plays like this though.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Uh...what the hell kind of interview question is that?

I think it pins a player down to a team player or rule follower.

There is no wrong answer in this scenario. The bombing could miss all his friends or kill all of them, but he is seen as someone who follows the rules and listens to his leaders, regardless of price.

If he says no he wouldn't do that, then he could be considered a player that doesn't listen to leaders. This could present a problem because (idk if many of you have ever felt/done this) sometimes young people think they know what is best but with time and patience, circumstances change. When leaders tell you to do something (especially in the military, such as this specific example) you are expected to follow because they obviously have some kind of intel or know more than you do. Saying no means you are defiant also.

On the flip side, by saying no, he is a team player and someone who will stick up for his guys at all costs. This is beneficial because there could be (not big, but slight) a chance/feeling that he may take less in contract talks because the greater good of the team is needed more than just him. It also could mean that he thinks of others before himself (commendable trait tbh. Not many people especially in today's world has that).

To be that confident in his answer and conviction to me proves he is a team player that will do anything for his team, regardless of personal accolades. But, if during all of your scouting and pre-draft interviews with his current coaching staff and front office, you could potentially see yourself have a problem that he won't listen/understand/follow the direction from above. If the pre-draft interviews shows nothing of the sort, then you probably won't have a problem. If the pre-draft interviews shows slight hesitation or examples of him not listening, then that presents a major issue when he answers the way he does.

It's a very telling question that, yes it is hilarious because of the exact scenario said, but pulling back the curtain to try and figure out what the actual meaning is, is quite interesting.