WC: 2023 Czech Team

[Czechboy]

I wont I just dont like how we play under him. This may be a minority opinion, but I liked it way better under Riha and even under Jandac. We didnt won medals, but it was much more enjoyable and fun to watch then this

Sure if Kari brings a medal he will 100°% stay, and I call it a succesfull tournament. But even then It will not change my opinion on him and my opinion is, that he needs to go. He may be a good coach, maybe sure, but from my point of view, as a fan, I just dont like his style and way how he composes the team.

Agree that jandac and riha teams were more fun to watch. You summed it up earlier... We didn't have a great match here yet.lol. We've had 7 and none were that much fun.

 

[Eye of Ra]

So Sweden vs Czechia in qf? Should be a eazy win for you guys. We are terrible, roster-wise and also playing-wise

 

[maclean]

So Sweden vs Czechia in qf? Should be a eazy win for you guys. We are terrible, roster-wise and also playing-wise

Still depends on the outcome of OT

 

[martygod12]

Well 4th in the group lol ... and if eliminated in qf we gonna end up behind Latvia

 

[Czechboy]

Bring on the US!

I felt all the matchups (including Germany) would be very tough for us. I still recall a US four seed knocking us out as a 1 seed. Maybe some revenge.lol

 

[Czechboy]

4th in a pool with only one Big 4 nation is a bit of a letdown. Think 2013 was the last time we did that.

 

[martygod12]

4th in a pool with only one Big 4 nation is a bit of a letdown. Think 2013 was the last time we did that.

I said it on other thread already, Only time we were playing worse then this year since that 2010 title, was in 2013 under Hadamczik and maybe in 2021 under Pesan (but even there, we at least managed to beat Sweden)

 

[martygod12]

Lauko otevřeně: Mrzí mě, že nesázíme na mladší. Řekl, proč se Zacha omluvil

Přál si být na šampionátu přímo u toho. Jakub Lauko dokonce na twitter vyťukal jasný vzkaz do dějiště MS. Hlásím se, pochopili všichni emotikon v jeho zprávě, která měla čtvrt milionu zhlédnutí. Ze štábu národního týmu přišla zamítavá odpověď. „Nejde jen o mě, ale je škoda, že nesázíme víc na...

isport.blesk.cz

Really interesting interview with Lauko. I know its blesk, but its interview so I think it can be taken as viable.

Its a lot about his season in Boston, BUT also about national team and thats interesting. Its premium, but I unlocked it just to read this whole article so if anyone dont have it unlocked here is the NT part in short:

And firstly I must say I agree with him 100% and it further more strengthened my opinion, that Jalonen and this whole staff we have right now needs to be replaced. Because it will lead our hockey into doom eventually.

1. He is saying that he is very dissapointed, that we are not playing younger players more, that its not just about him, that he wanted to come and was refused, but also about other guys. That we have the youngest player in the team Kaut who is 24. He doesnt understand why for example Svozil was cut, that other teams are playing young players and we are only ones relying on veterans. And that he thinks most of people in czech hockey sees it similarly. Again agree 100%. Most people wants that, but our coach just want to play slow, defensive bs with old guys, cause he is stuck somewhere 20years ago.

2. This next part is really interesting, he is saying that he is dissapointed with the fact, that in media its told how there was a lot of talks between our GMs and NHL/AHL players and that this is not true at all. He is saying that for example no one talked with him or with Tomas Nosek during the season, and this could probably extent to much more guys we have in america. So what was discussed there a lot of times before and that is, that Havlat is actually not doing his job well and his statements of "all players wants to come" was just a big load of bs may acutally be very true.

3. They also asked him what he thinks about czech attidute towards AHL and how its considered a weak league here. And he said that he is dissapointed that we see it like that in here, that AHL is a very quality and hard league, and its overlooked in here for no good reason. Again 100% agree, AHL was overlooked in here long enough and it has to stop, its better league then most euro leagues, and players from there have at least similar quality as our euro guys. So if you have available for example Galvas who is playing really good in a good league and have to decide between him and for example Jordan or Nemecek, eg players which are average at best in a similarly leagues in terms of quality, you just freakin take Galvas!!! Thats why I want Canadian/US coach, who is aware of AHL quality and will bring more our guys from there into wch.

So just another point of view and something to think about, if we are really going in the right direction with Jalonen. If even professional hockey players have those kind of opinions, you really starting to think, that maybe what we are doing is really not right now and its not just fans "ranting".

 

[BigBadBoar]

Lauko otevřeně: Mrzí mě, že nesázíme na mladší. Řekl, proč se Zacha omluvil

Přál si být na šampionátu přímo u toho. Jakub Lauko dokonce na twitter vyťukal jasný vzkaz do dějiště MS. Hlásím se, pochopili všichni emotikon v jeho zprávě, která měla čtvrt milionu zhlédnutí. Ze štábu národního týmu přišla zamítavá odpověď. „Nejde jen o mě, ale je škoda, že nesázíme víc na...

isport.blesk.cz

Really interesting interview with Lauko. I know its blesk, but its interview so I think it can be taken as viable.

Its a lot about his season in Boston, BUT also about national team and thats interesting. Its premium, but I unlocked it just to read this whole article so if anyone dont have it unlocked here is the NT part in short:

And firstly I must say I agree with him 100% and it further more strengthened my opinion, that Jalonen and this whole staff we have right now needs to be replaced. Because it will lead our hockey into doom eventually.

1. He is saying that he is very dissapointed, that we are not playing younger players more, that its not just about him, that he wanted to come and was refused, but also about other guys. That we have the youngest player in the team Kaut who is 24. He doesnt understand why for example Svozil was cut, that other teams are playing young players and we are only ones relying on veterans. And that he thinks most of people in czech hockey sees it similarly. Again agree 100%. Most people wants that, but our coach just want to play slow, defensive bs with old guys, cause he is stuck somewhere 20years ago.

2. This next part is really interesting, he is saying that he is dissapointed with the fact, that in media its told how there was a lot of talks between our GMs and NHL/AHL players and that this is not true at all. He is saying that for example no one talked with him or with Tomas Nosek during the season, and this could probably extent to much more guys we have in america. So what was discussed there a lot of times before and that is, that Havlat is actually not doing his job well and his statements of "all players wants to come" was just a big load of bs may acutally be very true.

3. They also asked him what he thinks about czech attidute towards AHL and how its considered a weak league here. And he said that he is dissapointed that we see it like that in here, that AHL is a very quality and hard league, and its overlooked in here for no good reason. Again 100% agree, AHL was overlooked in here long enough and it has to stop, its better league then most euro leagues, and players from there have at least similar quality as our euro guys. So if you have available for example Galvas who is playing really good in a good league and have to decide between him and for example Jordan or Nemecek, eg players which are average at best in a similarly leagues in terms of quality, you just freakin take Galvas!!! Thats why I want Canadian/US coach, who is aware of AHL quality and will bring more our guys from there into wch.

So just another point of view and something to think about, if we are really going in the right direction with Jalonen. If even professional hockey players have those kind of opinions, you really starting to think, that maybe what we are doing is really not right now and its not just fans "ranting".

Czech coaches are usually prefer "experience" over "enthusiasm". Kari Jalonen is the same in the respect. Jukka Jalonen too after all, so maybe this has been the Finnish approach as well lately?

I agree on that they shouldn't be afraid to invite a guy like Lauko. He already proved in the NHL he is capable of playing in top tier games and be useful. Very good skater, the energy he puts into the game is outstanding. I understand why they didn't take Svozil or David Špaček. Both are still junior players with a minimum experience with men's hockey. But Lauko should have been there. He is a different case. I would like to see a younger roster the next year in Prague. Of course a few experienced veteran players need to be there, but hockey is still developing, becoming faster, the intensity is increasing season by season. We need more young players who can play with the required intensity. I am not saying we need only young guys, but definitely more of them.

 

[Czechboy]

Lauko otevřeně: Mrzí mě, že nesázíme na mladší. Řekl, proč se Zacha omluvil

Přál si být na šampionátu přímo u toho. Jakub Lauko dokonce na twitter vyťukal jasný vzkaz do dějiště MS. Hlásím se, pochopili všichni emotikon v jeho zprávě, která měla čtvrt milionu zhlédnutí. Ze štábu národního týmu přišla zamítavá odpověď. „Nejde jen o mě, ale je škoda, že nesázíme víc na...

isport.blesk.cz

Really interesting interview with Lauko. I know its blesk, but its interview so I think it can be taken as viable.

Its a lot about his season in Boston, BUT also about national team and thats interesting. Its premium, but I unlocked it just to read this whole article so if anyone dont have it unlocked here is the NT part in short:

And firstly I must say I agree with him 100% and it further more strengthened my opinion, that Jalonen and this whole staff we have right now needs to be replaced. Because it will lead our hockey into doom eventually.

1. He is saying that he is very dissapointed, that we are not playing younger players more, that its not just about him, that he wanted to come and was refused, but also about other guys. That we have the youngest player in the team Kaut who is 24. He doesnt understand why for example Svozil was cut, that other teams are playing young players and we are only ones relying on veterans. And that he thinks most of people in czech hockey sees it similarly. Again agree 100%. Most people wants that, but our coach just want to play slow, defensive bs with old guys, cause he is stuck somewhere 20years ago.

2. This next part is really interesting, he is saying that he is dissapointed with the fact, that in media its told how there was a lot of talks between our GMs and NHL/AHL players and that this is not true at all. He is saying that for example no one talked with him or with Tomas Nosek during the season, and this could probably extent to much more guys we have in america. So what was discussed there a lot of times before and that is, that Havlat is actually not doing his job well and his statements of "all players wants to come" was just a big load of bs may acutally be very true.

3. They also asked him what he thinks about czech attidute towards AHL and how its considered a weak league here. And he said that he is dissapointed that we see it like that in here, that AHL is a very quality and hard league, and its overlooked in here for no good reason. Again 100% agree, AHL was overlooked in here long enough and it has to stop, its better league then most euro leagues, and players from there have at least similar quality as our euro guys. So if you have available for example Galvas who is playing really good in a good league and have to decide between him and for example Jordan or Nemecek, eg players which are average at best in a similarly leagues in terms of quality, you just freakin take Galvas!!! Thats why I want Canadian/US coach, who is aware of AHL quality and will bring more our guys from there into wch.

So just another point of view and something to think about, if we are really going in the right direction with Jalonen. If even professional hockey players have those kind of opinions, you really starting to think, that maybe what we are doing is really not right now and its not just fans "ranting".

1. Glad someone said it. Havlat is wining and dining on these trips with our 20 top guys and should be sitting at AHL rinks taking notes. He should've known well before playoffs that Zacha wasn't coming for instance. That isn't hard to figure out.

2. Finns have used AHL players on their championship winning teams. The US team we are about to play used a lot of 'no names' that can skate to great success. I read an interview (can't remember from whom) even asking about guys like Klapka. Makes sense. We have 4 forwards with a goal.. Kaut, Flek, Kubalik and Cervenka. Only 1 Extraligers. You cannot tell me that a guy like Frk wouldn't have found a goal in 7 games here. I still maintain that our AHL/CHL Czech all star team would beat our Extraliga one. And I may be wrong, but there is no way those games would be blowouts. But we won't even look at our AHL guys. In fairness, he's not playing Knot.

As a fun example.. who's been more effective in callup.. AHLer Zohorna or Extraliger Lenc? Lauko would've brought speed and energy. When our AHLers give up on NHL, they usually return and do very well in Europe... I'll be in shock if Frk and Galvas don't have great seasons. Even guys like Reichel, Klapka, Kondelik will eventually come back and do very well. Not sure how people in charge don't see it? Our best extraligaer was a castoff from the NHL this season that was getting 3 minutes a game in Colorado.

3. Bigbadboar might have a point in 'our favorite players' as I'd probably enjoy losing all those matches with Svozil vs Dvorak on D. It could be a bias on our part. But cutting Svozil that early with THIS D is just hillarious. Good enough for Kometa, AHL and a NHL game. No idea why guys Nemecek or Dvorak take priority over future NHLers. I'm not sure what they bring? Big, older and more coachable? I really don't get it personally.

Back to Zohorna.. apparantly, AHL guys need to show up for Czech games and play EHT yet Zohorna stepped right into the team with zero problems.

This notion that you disappear when you go to AHL is nuts to me.

Eg. we all watch U20... our best players get drafted and go to AHL. Our weaker players don't get drafted and end up in Extraliga. 2 years later, people think the AHL guys suck because they have 10 points and the Extraliga guys are more established. Eg. Tichachek has a better chance of making next years team than Svozil, Kral or Spacek. That's the logic we use. Can't wait to see Ostap Safin make the squad over Jiri Kulich.lol

 

[Old Man Jags]

Czech coaches are usually prefer "experience" over "enthusiasm". Kari Jalonen is the same in the respect. Jukka Jalonen too after all, so maybe this has been the Finnish approach as well lately?

I agree on that they shouldn't be afraid to invite a guy like Lauko. He already proved in the NHL he is capable of playing in top tier games and be useful. Very good skater, the energy he puts into the game is outstanding. I understand why they didn't take Svozil or David Špaček. Both are still junior players with a minimum experience with men's hockey. But Lauko should have been there. He is a different case. I would like to see a younger roster the next year in Prague. Of course a few experienced veteran players need to be there, but hockey is still developing, becoming faster, the intensity is increasing season by season. We need more young players who can play with the required intensity. I am not saying we need only young guys, but definitely more of them.

I read that interview with Lauko earlier and it really annoyed me because it has confirmed what we all feared in terms of the attitude and outlook of our coaches and managers.

 

[Czechboy]

For fun... here is the AHL/CHL team:

F: Frk, Rousek, Kulich, Blumel, Zohorna, Klapka, Teply, Reichel, Jenik, Kaut, Lauko, Raska and 13 is Mysak.

D: Jiricek, Kral, Galvas, Svozil, Sustr, Knot and Hajek (do I get to use Kempny here?lol)

G: Patera, Dostal and Skarek (I know, I know but Dobes is one year away from us all loving him)

I cannot see an Extraliga Czech team that would beat them. Yet we only look at the Extraliga guys.

 

[Czechboy]

I read that interview with Lauko earlier and it really annoyed me because it has confirmed what we all feared in terms of the attitude and outlook of our coaches and managers.

So I think he has started a conversation and is a bit of a hero. I also think that he will never play a game for the NT and they'll punish him as a result. We are not a progressive NT... we are always behind the trends and seem to think that promoting the Extraliga is the main thing.

 

[Old Man Jags]

So I think he has started a conversation and is a bit of a hero. I also think that he will never play a game for the NT and they'll punish him as a result. We are not a progressive NT... we are always behind the trends and seem to think that promoting the Extraliga is the main thing.

…I initially thought hiring a Finnish coach was a sign of progress but I guess we hired him because he has the same outlook on the local league, etc.

 

[BigBadBoar]

So I think he has started a conversation and is a bit of a hero. I also think that he will never play a game for the NT and they'll punish him as a result. We are not a progressive NT... we are always behind the trends and seem to think that promoting the Extraliga is the main thing.

There is no reason why he should never play a game for the NT. He clearly says he wants to play in the future, assuming their will never invite him as a "punishment" is a complete nonsense. Especially if the choaching staff changes in the near future which is well possible.

 

[Czechboy]

There is no reason why he should never play a game for the NT. He clearly says he wants to play in the future, assuming their will never invite him as a "punishment" is a complete nonsense. Especially if the choaching staff changes in the near future which is well possible.

Jan Hejda comes to mind.

 

[BigBadBoar]

Jan Hejda comes to mind.

Jan Hejda had a personal conflict with Alois Hadamczik at the WCH 2013. That's why Hadamczik didn't take him for Sochi 2014. Then he returned to the NT under Růžička for the 2015 WCH in Prague. Růžička, in turn, had a personal conflict with Martin Havlát in Vancouver 2010. Jan Hudler had conflicts with both Růžička and Hadamczik. And so on. But Lauko had no personal conflict with anybody, plus it is doubtful if Jalonen will continue as a choach, the same with Havlát as the GM. Completely different situation.

 

[Czechboy]

Jan Hejda had a personal conflict with Alois Hadamczik at the WCH 2013. That's why Hadamczik didn't take him for Sochi 2014. Then he returned to the NT under Růžička for the 2015 WCH in Prague. Růžička, in turn, had a personal conflict with Martin Havlát in Vancouver 2010. Jan Hudler had conflicts with both Růžička and Hadamczik. And so on. But Lauko had no personal conflict with anybody, plus it is doubtful if Jalonen will continue as a choach, the same with Havlát as the GM. Completely different situation.

So there is an established history of personal conflicts. I could see our Czech NT taking offense to what he said. Look at some older WJ rosters and who we left off too. They are a fickle bunch!

 

[martygod12]

plus it is doubtful if Jalonen will continue as a choach, the same with Havlát as the GM.

Hopefully they will not. I must say I am really torn up about what I want from tommorow match ... sure I want to see us winning medal, but that would mean Jalonen and his staff is staying and I definitely dont want that.

So I am starting to think if it wasnt better for future of our hockey to just lose tommorow, and get rid of them. Maybe in a long term it would be the better outcome.

But of course I will cheer and want us to win in the end lol

 

[Czechboy]

Hopefully they will not. I must say I am really torn up about what I want from tommorow match ... sure I want to see us winning medal, but that would mean Jalonen and his staff is staying and I definitely dont want that.

So I am starting to think if it wasnt better for future of our hockey to just lose tommorow, and get rid of them. Maybe in a long term it would be the better outcome.

But of course I will cheer and want us to win in the end lol

Im 100% excited to see what Kari does tomorrow. I hope he pulls it off! Eg. Finns were third in their pool yet most of them are quite confident of gettng Gold (rightfully so).

Hope it isn't superchances.lol

 

[BigBadBoar]

So there is an established history of personal conflicts. I could see our Czech NT taking offense to what he said. Look at some older WJ rosters and who we left off too. They are a fickle bunch!

It was always a conflict between one coach and a player. Havlát had a conflict with Růžička, returned under Hadamczik. Hejda had a conflict with Hadamczik, returned under Růžička. I don't think Lauko would have such a hard conflict with Jalonen. But efen if he had, he would just return under the next coach.

 

[martygod12]

Im 100% excited to see what Kari does tomorrow. I hope he pulls it off! Eg. Finns were third in their pool yet most of them are quite confident of gettng Gold (rightfully so).

Hope it isn't superchances.lol

Oh we gonna definitely win on superchances lol. Kari thinks our 1st period against Canada was good, so I guess there will definitely be a lot of optimism regardles of the result.

I want us to win, but at the same time I dont want to suffer through this Kari style and team selection even next season, Which will be very possible if we get through to the semis.

So hard decisions what to want here lol

 

[Czechboy]

Švýcaři cítí šanci, Kanada rezervuje bar, tuší Kovář. Točení gólmanů nechápe - iDNES.cz

Kovar pointing out that the 3 goalie system is f***en stupid. Shocked.

He also says Canada usually books a bar for the tourney and goes there every night???? That is impressive.lol

 

[Czechboy]

Oh we gonna definitely win on superchances lol. Kari thinks our 1st period against Canada was good, so I guess there will definitely be a lot of optimism regardles of the result.

I want us to win, but at the same time I dont want to suffer through this Kari style and team selection even next season, Which will be very possible if we get through to the semis.

So hard decisions what to want here lol

Back to back Semi's sounds amazing to me.lol

And we did have a good period here or there but, like you said, rarely a good game. This has been about as much fun to watch as the U18 last month.lol

 

[czechmate]

Lauko otevřeně: Mrzí mě, že nesázíme na mladší. Řekl, proč se Zacha omluvil

Přál si být na šampionátu přímo u toho. Jakub Lauko dokonce na twitter vyťukal jasný vzkaz do dějiště MS. Hlásím se, pochopili všichni emotikon v jeho zprávě, která měla čtvrt milionu zhlédnutí. Ze štábu národního týmu přišla zamítavá odpověď. „Nejde jen o mě, ale je škoda, že nesázíme víc na...

isport.blesk.cz

Really interesting interview with Lauko. I know its blesk, but its interview so I think it can be taken as viable.

Its a lot about his season in Boston, BUT also about national team and thats interesting. Its premium, but I unlocked it just to read this whole article so if anyone dont have it unlocked here is the NT part in short:

And firstly I must say I agree with him 100% and it further more strengthened my opinion, that Jalonen and this whole staff we have right now needs to be replaced. Because it will lead our hockey into doom eventually.

1. He is saying that he is very dissapointed, that we are not playing younger players more, that its not just about him, that he wanted to come and was refused, but also about other guys. That we have the youngest player in the team Kaut who is 24. He doesnt understand why for example Svozil was cut, that other teams are playing young players and we are only ones relying on veterans. And that he thinks most of people in czech hockey sees it similarly. Again agree 100%. Most people wants that, but our coach just want to play slow, defensive bs with old guys, cause he is stuck somewhere 20years ago.

2. This next part is really interesting, he is saying that he is dissapointed with the fact, that in media its told how there was a lot of talks between our GMs and NHL/AHL players and that this is not true at all. He is saying that for example no one talked with him or with Tomas Nosek during the season, and this could probably extent to much more guys we have in america. So what was discussed there a lot of times before and that is, that Havlat is actually not doing his job well and his statements of "all players wants to come" was just a big load of bs may acutally be very true.

3. They also asked him what he thinks about czech attidute towards AHL and how its considered a weak league here. And he said that he is dissapointed that we see it like that in here, that AHL is a very quality and hard league, and its overlooked in here for no good reason. Again 100% agree, AHL was overlooked in here long enough and it has to stop, its better league then most euro leagues, and players from there have at least similar quality as our euro guys. So if you have available for example Galvas who is playing really good in a good league and have to decide between him and for example Jordan or Nemecek, eg players which are average at best in a similarly leagues in terms of quality, you just freakin take Galvas!!! Thats why I want Canadian/US coach, who is aware of AHL quality and will bring more our guys from there into wch.

So just another point of view and something to think about, if we are really going in the right direction with Jalonen. If even professional hockey players have those kind of opinions, you really starting to think, that maybe what we are doing is really not right now and its not just fans "ranting".

Thank you for giving us the executive summary

My point of view is that if you deliberately exclude NHL/AHL players like Lauko or Nosek (who has consistently performed well on the Bruins 4th line btw), particularly at such a WC, only to ice average players from the Extraliga in their place, you better have exceptionally valid reasons to do so. It must somehow become apparent to the spectator why such decision was made and its impact has to manifest itself throughout the course of the WC, at least to some extent.

However, quite on the contrary, apart from Kubalik's and Cervenka's individual moments, our team - unlike Latvia, for instance - was not able to pull off a convincing performance over 60 minutes in any of the seven group games. Therefore, I find this kind of decision-making simply unjustified and mind-boggling!