GDT: 2023 Caps NHL Draft Thread

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Fair enough, though a possible top-10 pick (i.e. at the TDL) isn't as valuable as a guaranteed #8 post-lottery drawing.
Right, how many guys are worth that pick if they got Sandin at $1.4M for around the 30th pick? I just think it’d have to be someone so good that it’s less than 50% likely. Maybe they’ve got a 5% shot at Bedard and a 4% chance at EP40.
 

trick9

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They are idiots if they trade pick #8. The top-8 is still really strong in this draft.

I don't see a scenario in which they trade the pick to be honest. There are too much dead weight on this team to be a realistic contender any time soon and if there is an asset like Petterson or Hughes on the table then #8 and dumping Kuznetsov won't be the winning offer. DeBrincat is a winger and he brought back a better return.

I wish you are right though. I'd drive Kuznetsov to the airport myself if we could get either Petterson or Hughes for that offer. The reality is that if those guys are available, there are atleast a dozen teams with a better offer on the table.
 
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Langway

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Why though? Do any of the guys who figure to be available at 8 or 9 change the calculus for this team during Ovie's final years? I doubt it. On the other hand, packaging it with Kuzy and whatever, could land a young but proven impact forward. My dream scenario, outside of them winning the lottery, is that the rumors about Elias Pettersson are true and Mac could work a deal. That would give Van two picks likely in the top 10 which they could flip for a higher pick or other players.
I doubt Kuznetsov is an attractive positive asset in that sort of trade (at least not unconditionally). Bundle the pick with McMichael, Miro, future picks, sure, but that's selling off the farm. In the right scenario, okay, but I wouldn't bank on teams moving out franchise talents for that (and it not being beat out by other offers). Could happen...but I suspect they make the pick. Even if it's at 9 or 10 depending on how the last few picks ahead of them go they may still be able to land a prime talent.

They need to be patient and not force it. If an ideal trade is out there, fine, but it shouldn't be a situation where the pick has to go for immediate help. If they want to do it right they have to be open to the possibility of still being sort of bad again next season if the right opportunities don't materialize. Take some swings in UFA ala Strome if they come around. Dump some of the bad apples, even if that's unlikely to solve all their issues. Wait out for possible RFA/arbitration issues or cap issues that need to be cleared up later in the off-season. Wait on other situations where teams maybe can't come to terms on extensions.

I think a Leonard could provide a big boost potentially as soon as next spring if all goes right. He's probably better than Snuggerud and he arguably could have gone pro if he really wanted to (and STL had something to play for). So I think they could add someone capable of helping two to three years from now for sure. Is it as more of a middle sixer rather than premier tonesetter? Maybe but you never know how quickly a player can pop throughout a season as they adjust. Boldy went a bit later in his draft, took two years at BC and then boom. They can do similar IMO.
 

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Why though? Do any of the guys who figure to be available at 8 or 9 change the calculus for this team during Ovie's final years? I doubt it. On the other hand, packaging it with Kuzy and whatever, could land a young but proven impact forward. My dream scenario, outside of them winning the lottery, is that the rumors about Elias Pettersson are true and Mac could work a deal. That would give Van two picks likely in the top 10 which they could flip for a higher pick or other players.
That would have the added bonus of providing endless plot twists as Kuzy and Rick Tochett attempt to co-exist
 
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Langway

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After a pretty heralded top 4 group I think next is Zach Benson and the three NTDP forwards (Smith, Moore & Leonard). All four of that second group also have top line upside IMO. With Moore it's based on tools and projection to a greater extent than the rest but he's one of the faster skaters available and a center so it's a risk I'd be willing to take.
 

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What can we expect at #8 ? A good prospect?

History suggests the #8 overall is far from a sure thing.

I’ll let the draft experts around here tell us why this draft might be different, but here are the recent #8 overall picks:

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That’s a lot of junk, several role players, some TBD players in recent years, and just a few top-end players.

Oddly enough 9th overall has had much more success.

I imagine they can land a very good player at #8 as long as they don’t screw it up.
 
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What can we expect at #8 ? A good prospect?
Picks 8-10 for the last bunch of drafts, plus notables drafted in the next 5-7 picks or so:

2022
Marco Kasper (F)
Matthew Savoie (F)
Pavel Mintyukov (D)

2021
Brandt Clarke (D)
Dylan Guenther (F)
Tyler Boucher (F)

Cole Sillinger (F)

2020
Jack Quinn (F)
Marco Rossi (F)
Cole Perfetti (F)

Anton Lundell (F), Seth Jarvis (F)

2019
Philip Broberg (D)
Trevor Zegras (F)
Vasili Podkolzin (F)

Matt Boldy (F)

2018
Adam Boqvist (D)
Vitali Kravtsov (F)
Evan Bouchard (D)

Noah Dobson (D), Joel Farabee (F)

2017
Casey Mittelstadt (F)
Michael Rasmussen (F)
Owen Tippett (F)

Martin Necas (F), Nick Suzuki (F)

2016
Alexander Nylander (F)
Mikhail Sergachyov (D)
Tyson Jost (F)

Charlie McAvoy (D), Jakob Chychrun (D)

2015
Zach Werenski (D)
Timo Meier (F)
Mikko Rantanen (F)

Mathew Barzal (F), Kyle Connor (F)

2014
William Nylander (F)
Nikolaj Ehlers (F)
Nick Ritchie (F)

Kevin Fiala (F), Dylan Larkin (F)

2013
Rasmus Ristolainen (D)
Bo Horvat (F)
Valeri Nichushkin (F)

Josh Morrissey (D)

2012
Derrick Pouliot (D)
Jacob Trouba (D)
Slater Koekkoek (D)

Filip Forsberg (F)
 

trick9

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What can we expect at #8 ? A good prospect?
I think our possibilities are:

Tier 1 (Generational):

Winning the #1: Bedard

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Tier 2 (High-end star):

Winning the #2: Fantilli

Placeholder #3: Carlsson (i don't see us picking him over Fantilli and we can't draft 3rd)

Wild-card #4: Michkov (potential faller)

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Tier 3 (Star):

- Will Smith
- Zach Benson
- David Reinbacher
- Ryan Leonard

In no particular order. Some have Oliver Moore lurking pretty close to those 8 too.

There are some close to obvious fits. For example, i can see the Habs being really high on Reinbacher. They aren't shy about drafting players from Europe.

Arizona is a bit of a wild-card here. They need basically everything and they generally draft from everywhere. After moving Chychrun D is propably their most pressing need but they could still draft a forward with their own pick and D with the Sens pick, especially if Reinbacher is gone.

Flyers on the other hand love to draft from the U.S National team. Smith, Moore or Leonard? Shocked if it's not one of those for them.

If those are the 3 teams that stay ahead of us @ 5, 6 and 7 then case Michkov could get really interesting if team @ 4 doesn't pick him. How confident is Kent Hughes on his job security? Habs could be the team to pick him but they desperately need D and just year ago drafted a winger really early.

I don't think the Coyotes pick him. They have team full of small guys and hard to see them picking a guy who won't be playing for them for a while. They might not have a team in 2026. Less than 5% chance, IMO.

Flyers are also an interesting case. Who is even going to be the one making the pick? I think they could easily pass on Michkov because of all those red flags and like i've mentioned before, they are big on personality. Also as mentioned, love to draft early from the U.S National team, and that's i think where they are going once again.
 

Langway

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Moore lower here. Bonk top 20 seems weird and no Brindley also puzzling.

This is a strong class at the top and IMO it extends out to the top ten. It's maybe not generational but it's pretty strong. Not a good year for defensemen but early on it seems next year will be a rebound in that regard. Still some late returns pending with junior playoffs ongoing and the U18s starting next week. The US games ought to be on NHLN again so should be a great chance to scout the NTDPers (and a high-end '24 prospect in Eiserman).
 

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I think our possibilities are:

Tier 1 (Generational):

Winning the #1: Bedard

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Tier 2 (High-end star):

Winning the #2: Fantilli

Placeholder #3: Carlsson (i don't see us picking him over Fantilli and we can't draft 3rd)

Wild-card #4: Michkov (potential faller)

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Tier 3 (Star):

- Will Smith
- Zach Benson
- David Reinbacher
- Ryan Leonard

In no particular order. Some have Oliver Moore lurking pretty close to those 8 too.

There are some close to obvious fits. For example, i can see the Habs being really high on Reinbacher. They aren't shy about drafting players from Europe.

Arizona is a bit of a wild-card here. They need basically everything and they generally draft from everywhere. After moving Chychrun D is propably their most pressing need but they could still draft a forward with their own pick and D with the Sens pick, especially if Reinbacher is gone.

Flyers on the other hand love to draft from the U.S National team. Smith, Moore or Leonard? Shocked if it's not one of those for them.

If those are the 3 teams that stay ahead of us @ 5, 6 and 7 then case Michkov could get really interesting if team @ 4 doesn't pick him. How confident is Kent Hughes on his job security? Habs could be the team to pick him but they desperately need D and just year ago drafted a winger really early.

I don't think the Coyotes pick him. They have team full of small guys and hard to see them picking a guy who won't be playing for them for a while. They might not have a team in 2026. Less than 5% chance, IMO.

Flyers are also an interesting case. Who is even going to be the one making the pick? I think they could easily pass on Michkov because of all those red flags and like i've mentioned before, they are big on personality. Also as mentioned, love to draft early from the U.S National team, and that's i think where they are going once again.
Well, if Michkov can slide to 8 it would be awesome.
At least I hope Caps will draft a F. Do not want a D especially a LD.
 
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I'm most curious to see where Reinbacher goes. He's slightly older than some around him but his offensive potential and smarts are through the roof. Big, physical D who skates well and can produce are highly coveted. Especially since the drop-off after him on D is pretty big.

He is having a brilliant season in Switzerland, better than either Edvinsson and Seider had in their draft years. I think he’s going to be a really good pick for someone and he could very well be someone on the Capitals radar too. He could play in the AHL as early as next season.
 

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I like Reinbacher but worried he’s being overrated due to the complete lack of D this year. Think he’ll be good tho.

Someone is going to get a massive steal with Brindley.
 
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I don't know if the offensive upside is through the roof with Reinbacher and RD is like the least of their positional skater problems near-term. He's been historically productive but I don't know if his tools project to be a PP1 guy, more PP2. So IMO you'd hope someone else takes him pretty early and a forward slides. He's further along than most and it bodes well as a relatively safe middle of the lineup RD at worst probably. But does he provide an upgrade over Jensen near-term? Probably not and I find it unlikely they'd trade Carlson prior to 895. It would be a nice problem to have arguably three #2 RD always on the ice but TVR is not bad either. And Iorio & Chesley are fine prospects that maybe don't project as high but could be #4s. Even if they slide TVR back over to the left side I'm not sure it provides as much near-term value compared to an energetic skilled forward.

There's a case to be made he could be BPA at 8 but as a direct near-term upgrade it's a harder case considering their vast needs up front. Maybe that's a poor way to look at it and they'd make moves as needed but structurally I'd be a bit concerned if they go that route. It can be viable to build a checking, defense-first team in contrast to where the league is heading but they don't even have the components for a more modest checking mix up front either. They could make further moves in that direction but with 8/19 on the books and Sandin/Fehervary still very much developing it's a suspect strategy.

This should be an opportunity to modernize and reinvigorate the forward ranks with a quality top six talent that can make (aging) skilled players better. At 10 if Leonard/Barlow were off the board I'd find it more persuasive given that I'm less sold on the remaining forwards. But as-is, particularly with more of a fast-track upgrade approach, there should some more needle-movers available up front.
 

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NL is a tough league for a kid, especially for a young D. 22 points in 46 games are some great numbers for a draft-eligible. He played against men already for most of last season and when he didn't he had 9 goals and 22 points in 23 games for Kloten U-20. Those are brilliant numbers. Also agree to disagree but with his smarts, great shot and good offensive insticts he has all the tools to be PP1 QB.

I do agree with you that D isn't our most pressing need. I just don't think drafting for short-term needs is smart at this point. When your prospect pool is as dry as ours you take the BPA every day of the week. RHD is the position that GM's are always looking to add so value-wise it makes sense too. I think passing up on BPA because you have 2 good RHD's who are 33 at the start of next season is short-sighted. Sandin and Fehervary are solid complimentary pieces but does either of them have top-pairing potential? I just don't see it. They could form a great 2nd pairing but that to me is the best-case scenario.

I'd take the BPA at 8, no question. They should draft with what makes the most sense for the Capitals for 15+ years. Not for the next 3 years. Drafting for short-term gets you Brett Leason. If they are concerned about the record chase they should address offense via a trade. There are great playmaking wingers available for scraps every summer.
 

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At the end of the day, though, I don't know what quality a top six player they'd get for a Jensen. And it's not even just short-term need either given their existing RD prospects. Iorio doesn't seem all that far off himself. The case would ironically be a lot stronger if DR were a lefty. When there's an opportunity to draft and develop top-line forward talent they should take it. That tends to elevate a team's ceiling to a greater extent. No question Reinbacher has been very productive but I think he's still a bit short of being a Seider type talent. He's better than Edvinsson and likely top ten worthy overall. He's got a really high floor. I'm just not sure how much better he'll get from what he already is (somewhat similar to Barlow). It's still really solid but I'm not sure there's elite potential.

There are value wingers to be had every year but there's going to be some special upside available beyond the generic variety. It's been so long since they've had that sort of premier developing forward talent that you almost forget what it's like to have level of IQ figuring it out as they go. Maybe there's a scenario where it's some combination of Benson/Smith/Moore vs. Reinbacher's size and floor. Maybe they'd shy away from smaller type forwards but the game isn't dominated by size any longer. It wouldn't be a very persuasive case. They need dynamic talent and Reinbacher, as productive as he's managed to be, just falls a bit short for me. I don't think he would dislodge Carlson offensively and that's sort of the threshold IMO to take a RD that high. Plus, there's a decent chance a D could be BPA at ~40 compared to an upside forward.
 

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Why though? Do any of the guys who figure to be available at 8 or 9 change the calculus for this team during Ovie's final years? I doubt it. On the other hand, packaging it with Kuzy and whatever, could land a young but proven impact forward. My dream scenario, outside of them winning the lottery, is that the rumors about Elias Pettersson are true and Mac could work a deal. That would give Van two picks likely in the top 10 which they could flip for a higher pick or other players.
Ovie's final years are doomed. This team isn't going to be any better than mediocre with the current core, and they don't have the assets to bring in enough upgrades to change that. At best they can get back to being a 7-8 seed first round loser.

Make the pick, develop the player.
 

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At the end of the day, though, I don't know what quality a top six player they'd get for a Jensen. And it's not even just short-term need either given their existing RD prospects. Iorio doesn't seem all that far off himself. The case would ironically be a lot stronger if DR were a lefty. When there's an opportunity to draft and develop top-line forward talent they should take it. That tends to elevate a team's ceiling to a greater extent. No question Reinbacher has been very productive but I think he's still a bit short of being a Seider type talent. He's better than Edvinsson and likely top ten worthy overall. He's got a really high floor. I'm just not sure how much better he'll get from what he already is (somewhat similar to Barlow). It's still really solid but I'm not sure there's elite potential.

There are value wingers to be had every year but there's going to be some special upside available beyond the generic variety. It's been so long since they've had that sort of premier developing forward talent that you almost forget what it's like to have level of IQ figuring it out as they go. Maybe there's a scenario where it's some combination of Benson/Smith/Moore vs. Reinbacher's size and floor. Maybe they'd shy away from smaller type forwards but the game isn't dominated by size any longer. It wouldn't be a very persuasive case. They need dynamic talent and Reinbacher, as productive as he's managed to be, just falls a bit short for me. I don't think he would dislodge Carlson offensively and that's sort of the threshold IMO to take a RD that high. Plus, there's a decent chance a D could be BPA at ~40 compared to an upside forward.
Why do you see his upside so limited? You mention his floor several times but he does have plenty of upside too. Among the draft-eligible players he is propably one if not the most improved player this season. That's why he is flying up the rankings just like Seider did. I do think he is different sort of player than Seider who is more defensively sound whereas Reinbacher is more creative with the puck on his stick. Dislodging Carlson offensively is propably too much to ask for short-term but 74 has been relied too heavily upon for years and has been trending down ever since our Cup run.

But since we are talking #8, there isn't a scenario in which it's Reinbacher vs. Smith or Benson. If Reinbacher makes it to 8 it means Smith and Benson are gone for sure. I feel like if Reinbacher makes it to 8 then it's perhaps him vs. Oliver Moore and that to me is far tougher choice. Even if you wanted a forward. But put it this way, which forwards you'd take ahead of him?
 

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Why do you see his upside so limited?
It's not super limited, I just don't see elite skill. It can come with time for some as they put in the work and add more elements but it's not altogether there despite the production. He does have a strong foundational defensive game and can in theory drive play as a top 4 RD. He's not as stout physically as Seider was (or as big) so I'm not sure the parallels are great. He's more proficient and sound. The sense is strong but I don't think it's Adam Fox elite or else there would be even more hype. I'm not trying to sell him short altogether. He's a legit top 10 prospect with a higher floor than most. He's perhaps a very logical player to replace Carlson in three years all-around. I just wouldn't bank on him being a great PPQB despite the production because the creativity isn't there yet. I see him more as at best a Pietrangelo with a bit less offense. Still quite valuable but I'd prefer a potential star forward.
You mention his floor several times but he does have plenty of upside too. Among the draft-eligible players he is propably one if not the most improved player this season. That's why he is flying up the rankings just like Seider did. I do think he is different sort of player than Seider who is more defensively sound whereas Reinbacher is more creative with the puck on his stick.
Smith, Moore and Leonard weren't mentioned in the top 10 pre-season either. Back then you had Ritchie, Stramel, Allen and Yager more often getting top 10 play. So they've all earned it. They had to earn it to emerge in this draft year. To DR's credit he's basically off the map and not benefiting from such an established program like the NTDP. He's going to be really good but I don't think he's as strong a prospect as Seider. What may fuel him is at least in part the complete lack of a quality D alternative. Everyone else is a stretch in one area whereas he has no glaring weakness. He's an easy bet as the best D in this class. Beyond that is less clear.
But put it this way, which forwards you'd take ahead of him?
I'd opt for Moore's speed and Leonard's hands and power game. So...eight forwards at least. There's still the World Championships and U18s to go so not inconsequential in how perceptions will end up. For now that would be my inclination. Barlow vs. Reinbacher is where its gets interesting. I'd probably give DR the edge thanks to higher top-end speed and positional value.
 

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Had to go get one more point, dropped to 9th. Still 9th is better than 13th where we were not too long ago.

Disregard ESPN had it wrong. Phew
 
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