GDT: 2023 Caps NHL Draft Thread

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It's a decent year for goaltenders. No amazing headliner but solid depth.

I'm good with any of Michkov, Reinbacher, Dvorsky or Benson. Those middle two maybe aren't as flashy or high-end but Dvorsky has dominated his peer group pretty consistently. It's easy to be underwhelmed by another player with heavy boots but if he puts in the work he could be a real leader and the sort of transitional center they need. He's relatively young in this class. Reinbacher did more than hold his own at the World Championships. He may not have elite offensive upside but he has the tools to be a play-driving up-ice attacker that's strong closing out defensively. He could be more physical but the tools are there for a consistently sound possession D. The wild card for me is still Moore. He could be bigger but when you think about raw tools to add to your group (esp. this group) to develop further it doesn't get much better (fuel-)injecting that sort of elite skating.

I wouldn't go all-in on MIchkov. Given the stated character concerns I wonder just how aggressive they're prepared to be to land him. Do you really want to stake so much on his relationship at SKA working out for up to three years? Maybe that leads to early contract termination. Or maybe it leads to frequent VHL assignments and arrested development. I'd sooner bank on him figuring it out if he didn't have some legit size concerns (and likely some strength questions). He often gets Kaprizov comparisons but Kaprizov goes at 200 pounds. It's a lot easier to dart into tight spaces like KK does when built like a fireplug. Michkov is closer to Kucherov in stature (but shorter). How he'll fare fighting through checks in the smaller rink is a big unknown that we won't know for some time. To even approach generational hype a player needs to be a mindset master. It seems like this more than anything is the big difference between him and Bedard, a spotless talent that's pretty ruthlessly gone about improving his game and how he trains. No questioning the talent on MM but he would hardly be the first that didn't manage to max their tools out for a variety of reasons. Not to say he won't play but it's not always going to be smooth sailing.

I'm good with BPA at 8 and 40. Maybe it doesn't end up being a super flashy haul necessarily depending on how the board falls. If they were to go Reinbacher at 8 you'd hope they wouldn't double-dip on defense again at 40. BPA at 40 seems more likely to be a forward outside of a few D options (whose value may get inflated due to a thin crop). Regardless of how it plays out it's the competitive culture they're building that needs to be the bedrock of what drives them forward. And there are a lot of viable ways of going about building and fueling that.
 
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In 2022 it was Thursday-Friday, in 2021 it was Friday-Saturday, in 2020 it was Tuesday-Wednesday (and in October due to Covid), and in 2019 (the last time it was in June) it was Friday-Saturday. They kind of fell out of their rhythm due to Covid. Anyway, starting the draft on a Wednesday night is something they haven't done recently, if ever.
 

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Unless he develops into a Bergeron-type….
Can't confirm my opinion with some strong evidence, but I believe a player with high offensive ceiling developing a world class defensive game is far more common than a defensive forward improving above the bottom 6 level. I believe all recent Selke winners and finalists were drafted as scoring forwards.
 

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Over a year ago I scheduled one of those dilated eye exams (because I'm old and falling apart) for June 28th. And I only realized the other day that it was the same day as the NHL draft. So I guess I'll be too partially blind to spend the morning/afternoon checking my phone for trade rumors/confirmations. At least I'll be able to see fine when the actual draft happens tomorrow night.
 
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Can't confirm my opinion with some strong evidence, but I believe a player with high offensive ceiling developing a world class defensive game is far more common than a defensive forward improving above the bottom 6 level. I believe all recent Selke winners and finalists were drafted as scoring forwards.
Maybe a Krejci then? all wishful thinking of course...
 

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I really don't know crap about these prospects beyond what people write on the internet, but I guess, if Michkov gets drafted early, I'll be rooting for Benson, Leonard or Barlow, who seems to be a late riser? Dvorsky or Moore seem like solid picks as well, although perhaps not quite as exciting.

But it seems like whichever way you slice it, there will be a very good player available at 8.
 
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I really don't know crap about these prospects beyond what people write on the internet, but I guess, if Michkov gets drafted early, I'll be rooting for Benson, Leonard or Barlow, who seems to be a late riser? Dvorsky or Moore seem like solid picks as well, although perhaps not quite as exciting.

But it seems like whichever way you slice it, there will be a very good player available at 8.

What will make it interesting if one of the 7 teams drafting before us makes a mistake, which INVARIABLY happens, in every draft (NHL, NFL eg take the Detroit Lions this year). Chaos ensues, the Caps pounce, and they end up with a better player than otherwise predicted.
 

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ESPN’s latest mock draft.

1. Chicago Blackhawks: Connor Bedard, C, Regina (WHL)​

DOB: 07/17/05 | Ht: 5-9.75 | Wt: 185 | Shot: R
GP: 57 | G: 71 | A: 72 | P: 143

You saw the gold the Blackhawks struck in the mid-2000s. If Bedard can be even 70% or 80% of what Jonathan Toews or Patrick Kane was, it'd be great for Chicago. You think of his ability to play in all situations and the fact that he's expected to be the guy. He's also a fellow hockey nerd, and I like to see hockey nerds excel. There is something to be said for people who eat, breathe and sleep the game. He's not one of those kids who became an outstanding prospect and that's it.

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2. Anaheim Ducks: Adam Fantilli, C, Michigan (Big Ten)​

DOB: 10/12/04 | Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 195 | Shot: L
GP: 36 | G: 30 | A: 35 | P: 65

Former Wisconsin coach Tony Granato told me the other day that for Fantilli to be a true freshman and do what he did in college hockey on what he called an "NHL lite" roster, that's saying something. They had a strong group, and to come in and run the way he did, winning the Hobey Baker Award, was impressive. Granato also noted that when the game was on the line, Fantilli wanted the puck. The Ducks are starting to assemble some good young options with Trevor Zegras, Mason McTavish and Jamie Drysdale. Fantilli brings a different dimension: a big body and a powerful game.

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3. Columbus Blue Jackets: Leo Carlsson, C, Orebro (SHL)​

DOB: 12/26/04 | Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 198 | Shot: L
GP: 44 | G: 10 | A: 15 | P: 25

I might have gone with Matvei Michkov here, but there's now an urgency in Columbus with the trades they have made to get Ivan Provorov and Damon Severson. That follows them getting Johnny Gaudreau last offseason. Because of all that, I'd go with Carlsson. He's got size, he's long and rangy, and he's been playing against men. I think center is the more responsible play for them with where they are right now, and they won't have to wait (as teams will with Michkov).

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4. San Jose Sharks: Matvei Michkov, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)​

DOB: 12/09/04 | Ht: 5-10 | Wt:172 | Shot: L
GP: 30 | G: 9 | A: 11 | P: 20

San Jose's window to challenge for a playoff spot is not as close as Columbus' or Montreal's. The Sharks are still disassembling in order to rebuild. When you draft a player like Michkov, you want to get him in your fold but are going to have time to make that happen. My understanding is that he intends to honor his three-year deal in Russia. The Sharks are a team that can be patient and get an elite talent after that deal is up.

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5. Montreal Canadiens: Colby Barlow, LW, Owen Sound (OHL)​

DOB: 02/14/05 | Ht: 6-0.25 | Wt: 190 | Shot: L
GP: 59 | G: 46 | A: 33 | P: 79

I'll go off board here. Barlow can score, and he uses his size well. Aside from having Josh Anderson, the Canadiens seldom seem to have enough size in the lineup. They have a lot of young players on the back end with that size, but smaller players up front. It's tough to pass up a big power forward sort of player like Barlow. He can score, has some good wheels and gets involved on the forecheck too.

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6. Arizona Coyotes: Will Smith, C, USA U18 (NTDP)​

DOB: 03/17/05 | Ht: 5-11.75 | Wt: 181 | Shot: R
GP: 52 | G: 42 | A: 62 | P: 104

He's a super talented player. Very skilled, and I loved him at the U18s. He's part of that group of kids who are going to Boston College. He thinks the game exceptionally well and can see it well too. You do wonder with the Coyotes: Will they trade Clayton Keller? Will St. Louis make a play for him to bring him home? The Blues have three first-round picks in this draft. That's some pretty good capital. Just thinking out loud here: If the Coyotes can draft a guy like Smith, are they more willing to part with Keller?

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7. Philadelphia Flyers: David Reinbacher, D, Kloten (NL)​

DOB: 10/25/04 | Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 185 | Shot: R
GP: 46 | G: 3 | A: 19 | P: 22

He's mobile, is a very good skater, can close gaps and can skate well when he has the puck. He also relishes those one-on-one matchups. A lot of people have said to me that if you like Moritz Seider, this guy gives you a lot of the Seider flavor. He brings a lot of similar intangibles to the table in addition to skill. That's a big compliment. That's why I think if you are Philly, now that you have moved on from Provorov, Reinbacher gives you a chance to get that No. 1 or No. 2 defenseman right back.

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8. Washington Capitals: Ryan Leonard, RW, USA U18 (NTDP)​

DOB: 01/21/05 | Ht: 5-11.5 | Wt: 192 | Shot: R
GP: 49 | G: 42 | A: 34 | P: 76

Another Boston College commit. We don't know what the center position is going to look like in Washington for the future. But I'd give Leonard a try at center. He's a play-driving winger, and if you consider guys like Nikita Kucherov, Artemi Panarin or Kane, they're wingers who can drive plays like a center. They're not just going up and down the wing firing shots. I also like his motor and creativity.

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9. Detroit Red Wings: Matthew Wood, RW, UConn (Hockey East)​

DOB: 02/06/05 | Ht: 6-3.5 | Wt: 193 | Shot: R
GP: 35 | G: 11 | A: 23 | P: 34

I was close to going with Axel Sandin Pellikka. But the Wings have Seider and Simon Edvinsson, so, it'd be a bit of redundancy. Instead, I'll go with Wood. He has a big body, he can move and skate, and he's got skill. When I think of their young forwards, and in their prospect pool, he adds a different dimension to them as a bigger-bodied player. GM Steve Yzerman has never been in a rush, and that will be better for Wood's development. He gives them a different look than what they already have with guys like Lucas Raymond.

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10. St. Louis Blues: Gabe Perreault, RW, USA U18 (NTDP)​

DOB: 05/07/05 | Ht: 5-10.75 | Wt: 165 | Shot: L
GP: 55 | G: 46 | A: 64 | P: 110

Again: Will St. Louis keep this pick? We at least have to ask this question. It's a top-10 pick, but will they keep it, trade up or move it for a veteran? I'm not necessarily sure. But it brings a little intrigue, right? If they stay here, they'll probably select Perreault. Very heady player. Very skilled player. He's one of those guys who can play in all situations, and he's another player headed to Boston College. For the Blues, I don't think he has to be a four-year project. I don't think he cooks for all four years at BC. If you look at the history of the national team development program, Perreault had one of the best years you could have there. He can play everywhere. There's a lot to like.
 

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Can't confirm my opinion with some strong evidence, but I believe a player with high offensive ceiling developing a world class defensive game is far more common than a defensive forward improving above the bottom 6 level. I believe all recent Selke winners and finalists were drafted as scoring forwards.
Just for a little perspective, one of these is Dvorsky's D-1 season and one is Filip Forsberg's D-1 season.

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It's not even really a fair comparison for Dvorsky. His team in the HockeyAllsvenskan finished 10th out of 14, while Forsberg's was the top team in the league, and Dvorsky led some pretty meh Slovakian teams in international competitions while Forsberg was one star amongst many on Swedish teams that also included Elias Lindholm, Andre Burakovsky, Alex Wennberg, and Hampus Lindholm on the U18 and William Karlsson, John Klingberg, Jonas Brodin, Mika Zibanejad, and Rickard Rakell on the U20.

Maybe it's just because there's so many high-end forwards at the top of this draft who have gaudier looking numbers from not playing against men, or maybe there's a natural tendency to assume guys with the two-way label are sacrificing offense, but either way I think Dvorsky's offense is being underrated here. His main issue is his skating, and the Caps seem to have one of the best skating coaches in the league in Wendy Marco so there's a decent chance they could fix it.
 
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What will make it interesting if one of the 7 teams drafting before us makes a mistake, which INVARIABLY happens, in every draft (NHL, NFL eg take the Detroit Lions this year). Chaos ensues, the Caps pounce, and they end up with a better player than otherwise predicted.
yep! hopefully that's what happens, for sure. But even if no one makes a mistake before them, the Caps should still be able to get an impact player. So it seems like it's not a great idea to trade assets to move up, unless some kind of no-brainer trade materializes.
 

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Didn't watch but the headline bolsters my belief they're not trading back
 
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I still think passing on Michkov because other picks will likely also be good players is incredibly poor logic.

Michkov is a #1 overall talent in a good year. Not like...Shane Wright/Juraj Slavkovsky #1 overall type talents. The entire idea behind tanking is to get in the lottery and hopefully win the lottery to get a superstar to build around for a decade+. Michkov's numbers show him to be this type of player.

I wouldn't mess around. If at all possible move up to get him. Pay a premium to move up if you have to.
 

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I still think passing on Michkov because other picks will likely also be good players is incredibly poor logic.

Michkov is a #1 overall talent in a good year. Not like...Shane Wright/Juraj Slavkovsky #1 overall type talents. The entire idea behind tanking is to get in the lottery and hopefully win the lottery to get a superstar to build around for a decade+. Michkov's numbers show him to be this type of player.

I wouldn't mess around. If at all possible move up to get him. Pay a premium to move up if you have to.

I'm on this train. #1 picks in 2024, 2025, 2026 will not help Ovi unless they are top 3. We could easily trade them and make them top 3-4 protected and not suffer much as all during Ovi's career. MM might be the only player who can be built around that might be available to us this year. I also think if the Caps do land him, he comes over before his KHL deal is up.

If I'm not mistaken, the last person to put up his production in the KHL during his draft year was, *checks notes* Alex Ovechkin. Someone fact check me please, I do love to make shit up out of thin air and I might be doing it now.
 

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I'm on this train. #1 picks in 2024, 2025, 2026 will not help Ovi unless they are top 3. We could easily trade them and make them top 3-4 protected and not suffer much as all during Ovi's career. MM might be the only player who can be built around that might be available to us this year. I also think if the Caps do land him, he comes over before his KHL deal is up.

If I'm not mistaken, the last person to put up his production in the KHL during his draft year was, *checks notes* Alex Ovechkin. Someone fact check me please, I do love to make shit up out of thin air and I might be doing it now.
I am on the same boat as you. Do what it takes, move up to 4 if you have to.

I may piss people off and say I think without any roster moves the Caps can make the playoffs next year. The amount of injuries and guys missing for other reasons, the Caps were what 2-3 points away from a playoff spot around trade deadline. Give everyone a full season, a healthy offseason, I think the Caps are in. Which makes the picks expendable
 

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I have no idea what other teams are doing, but given the strong draft class, it's possible that other teams just don't want to play ball or are asking way too much.

Whatever happens, will be fun to see how it plays out.
 

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I'm ready to be disappointed with the honey dicking from the media. I fully expect the Caps to stay put while Philly or someone else is able to draft Michkov.

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If he gets past the crazy habs you have to move to #6 and jump the flyers. I think the yotes price tag is something we can do.
 
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If he gets past the crazy habs you have to move to #6 and jump the flyers. I think the yotes price tag is something we can do.
I'm a doomer, so bear that in mind.

I just don't see the Caps doing it. It's not in their MO, it doesn't fit with the "build around Ovi NOW" mandate, and there's too many other teams heavily interested in him. We don't beat the Flyers 7+20whatever this year alone.
 
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Leonard would be a quality pick.

Draft for upside, please.

If Michkov is off the board and that means Zach Benson then so be it.

Safe low upside picks like Dvorsky, Reinbacher, etc. are for losers.
Agreed those safe guys are easy to find in FA. You dont win big with cheap low upside players.
 
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