Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

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Legit level?? Legit as in .47 PPG if he played a full 82 games which he never has? Hell, even Compher averaged the same PPG and he never played top line minutes and is 100x better as an overall player.

Drouin will be lucky to make this team. And if he does Bednar will not stand for his style of play for more than 10 games. Book it. He is an Alex Galchenyuk level player. Nothing more.

There isn't one team that would give him more money. He would have been lucky to get a PTO if not for Mackinnon.
Drouin averages over his career, .57 PPG. JT Compher averages .47 PPG. Even over the last 3 seasons, Drouin has still averaged .57 PPG.

Over their careers, JT Compher averages more ice time.

The only season where Compher has produced more than .5 PPG was last season, at .63 PPG. He also average over 20 minutes a game, played with a over 100 point winger, and top PP minutes. So, top line minutes.

Galchenyuk has NEVER produced even a .5 PPG season. His closest was in 2016-2017. Since then he’s putting up 10-15 point seasons.
 
I'd say first line duty is pretty likely unless (until?) he fails. He's being brought in to play next to MacK and to see if the chemistry is still there. It isn't a secret that MacK is the reason Drouin is here... not his talent, not his style of play, not his production, etc. It is simply MacK wanted him here and vouched for him. In doing so, he's going to ride or die with MacK. I do agree with the all year portion though... I think odds are high he fails and ends up an extra forward.

If he fails, he's simply not a fit on a checking or energy line type. It won't work with Colton and Wood... it certainly won't work on the 4th line. Bendar wants a style of play out of those guys... and if Newhook fails out of that, you can be damn sure Drouin will too. His effort, battle and dirty area play is just not acceptable for those roles.

People will probably hate this... but Drouin is Kerfoot that is WAY softer, and doesn't play defense. He doesn't shoot, he doesn't go into dirty areas, he doesn't battle... he is good with the puck on his stick and passing. That is all he is today. A guy who can pass the puck.

Since his major wrist injury in Nov 19, he's played 144 games. That's practically 2 seasons worth . He's scored 10 goals in that time and shooting at about a 4.5% rate. Prior to that injury, he was about a 10% guy. He also had this worked on again in 22. To me, this is a crystal clear BC/AD delineation and why I think it is a fool's errand to look at his production prior to that time. His assist production isn't that much different... even his shot production isn't that much different. He just can't beat goalies with his shot anymore. You combine that with his soft nature... you have a very one dimensional player. We will be VERY lucky if he puts up 10 goals... the expectation should be 5-7 with 30-35 assists if he keeps a larger role and plays a near full season. If he doesn't, he's likely buried and replaced at that the deadline.

Saying all of that... Drouin's success or not is really not a huge deal. If he succeeds, great the Avs don't have to address a top 6 wing spot. If he fails, ether Landy has to be back for the playoffs and ready to go day 1... or the Avs have to pick up a top 6 winger at the deadline. Top 6 wingers are available all the time and the Avs can choose to address it then.

RyJo's play is just far, FAR more important to the success of the team this season.
I haven't kept up with Drouin since he went to Montreal, but hard to believe all the talent he showed in Tampa during the '16 playoffs just disappeared. Even if the shot isn't an asset, if his skating is still there, he has the speed and skill to make plays and he'll be in as good of a situation as possible to produce.

If he's only going for 35-40 points in your 5-7 goal / 30-35 assist projection, then he won't last long on the MacKinnon line. That's basically Newhook production. Perhaps I'm in Avs lala land, but I'm thinking if Dro is there mentally, he'll set a new career high in points this year. It wouldn't be the first time a player rebuilt their confidence and turned their career around in a meaningful way. We'll see.

I'd say it wouldn't be a big deal if he flames out, but his success could certainly move the needle. Give you a top 6 winger and allow you to use the limited assets at the Avs disposal to bolster the roster elsewhere.
 
I dont think production will be in question with Drouin. He's been a 40-45 guy his entire career pretty much, no doubt he'll do the same here.


It's quite literally everything else that he simply doesn't do at all. Soft, won't engage in puck battles, lazy, poor defensively, can't shoot, etc. etc.

If he could score even at just a little bit higher of a rate the 4.5%, and if you could get ~15 Goals and 55-60 points out of him in this high scoring league, then you could put up with all of the other shit that he's terrible at. But 5G and 40 points in a Top 6 role in a league where even low end 2nd line guys are typically hitting 55+ points, it just isn't really good enough.


I'd say the Avs and Mack are hoping to get that 55-60 production but I doubt it happens and I also doubt the Avs will have much patience with Drouin. Bednar in particular. I wouldn't be surprised to see Colton in that 1LW spot by December. Unfortunately that will make our bottom 6 absolute dogshit again unless they make some sort of trade to address the Center depth down the lineup.
 
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I haven't kept up with Drouin since he went to Montreal, but hard to believe all the talent he showed in Tampa during the '16 playoffs just disappeared. Even if the shot isn't an asset, if his skating is still there, he has the speed and skill to make plays and he'll be in as good of a situation as possible to produce.

If he's only going for 35-40 points in your 5-7 goal / 30-35 assist projection, then he won't last long on the MacKinnon line. That's basically Newhook production. Perhaps I'm in Avs lala land, but I'm thinking if Dro is there mentally, he'll set a new career high in points this year. It wouldn't be the first time a player rebuilt their confidence and turned their career around in a meaningful way. We'll see.

I'd say it wouldn't be a big deal if he flames out, but his success could certainly move the needle. Give you a top 6 winger and allow you to use the limited assets at the Avs disposal to bolster the roster elsewhere.
He's not the skater he once was and he's afraid of any contact... and the wrist injury has taken from his hands. These are all things he's lost since Tampa. He may pile up some leeching assists to get more than 30-35 if he sticks up top... but his play won't be any more than that level. He's simply not the hockey player he was 6-7-8 years ago.
 
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I haven't kept up with Drouin since he went to Montreal, but hard to believe all the talent he showed in Tampa during the '16 playoffs just disappeared. Even if the shot isn't an asset, if his skating is still there, he has the speed and skill to make plays and he'll be in as good of a situation as possible to produce.

If he's only going for 35-40 points in your 5-7 goal / 30-35 assist projection, then he won't last long on the MacKinnon line. That's basically Newhook production. Perhaps I'm in Avs lala land, but I'm thinking if Dro is there mentally, he'll set a new career high in points this year. It wouldn't be the first time a player rebuilt their confidence and turned their career around in a meaningful way. We'll see.

I'd say it wouldn't be a big deal if he flames out, but his success could certainly move the needle. Give you a top 6 winger and allow you to use the limited assets at the Avs disposal to bolster the roster elsewhere.

Yeah, if he works and Landy doesn't come back we got two gift horses just in time as long as Nuke is still close to the hobbled version of himself we seen last year.

I'm more skeptical on Drouin's health than his skill set personally. I'd say a 10/60 is a huge success, and a 5/50 is perfectly fine. Just bubble wrap him after the TDL though if they do click lol.
 
He's not the skater he once was and he's afraid of any contact... and the wrist injury has taken from his hands. These are all things he's lost since Tampa. He may pile up some leeching assists to get more than 30-35 if he sticks up top... but his play won't be any more than that level. He's simply not the hockey player he was 6-7-8 years ago.

He should still be pretty nasty on the power play, and top six guys can make a lot of points there.

If there are two players out there who can make space for him it's Nuke & Mack.
 
He should still be pretty nasty on the power play, and top six guys can make a lot of points there.

If there are two players out there who can make space for him it's Nuke & Mack.
I wouldn't be surprised if 30-40% of his points were on the PP by the end of it. He can still move the puck on the PP... he is just zero threat to shoot it.

That said, it also depends which unit he ends up on. If he's top unit, I can see some points off him leeching off the talent up there. The 2nd unit's best forward might Colton... who isn't a bad player at all, but he's not an elite scorer either.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if 30-40% of his points were on the PP by the end of it. He can still move the puck on the PP... he is just zero threat to shoot it.

That said, it also depends which unit he ends up on. If he's top unit, I can see some points off him leeching off the talent up there. The 2nd unit's best forward might Colton... who isn't a bad player at all, but he's not an elite scorer either.

If PP2 has Drouin, Colton, Lehky and Byram he'll just have to play pool, or thread it to Byram sneaking back door.

Call me crazy, and Drouin playing down probably means the line isn't in tact anymore, but I think he'd be fine play making for Colton & Wood too. Those two could use some playmaking ability on their line.
 
If PP2 has Drouin, Colton, Lehky and Byram he'll just have to play pool, or thread it to Byram sneaking back door.

Call me crazy, and Drouin playing down probably means the line isn't in tact anymore, but I think he'd be fine play making for Colton & Wood too. Those two could use some playmaking ability on their line.
Drouin with Colton and Wood would be an utterly terrible line IMO. It would be like Colton and Wood playing on the PK the whole time with the occasional pass that leads to a chance. If you're pushing somebody down to those two... make it Lehky and have an absolute nightmare of a 3rd line to play against.
 
One other thing is Drouin showed up out at training camps way out of shape in the past (at over 200 lbs)

I hope he trained hard this summer.
 
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One other thing is Drouin showed up out at training camps way of shape in the past (at over 200 lbs)

I hope he trained hard this summer.

That is another concern I have, even if he is in good shape. Good shape isn't good enough on this team. He better be on full tilt this off season. Ryjo is smart to be there as early as possible.

The only other place Drouin could be that would be more beneficial is with Mack.
 
One other thing is Drouin showed up out at training camps way of shape in the past (at over 200 lbs)

I hope he trained hard this summer.
To be fair... he was told to bulk up. :laugh:

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Drouin with Colton and Wood would be an utterly terrible line IMO. It would be like Colton and Wood playing on the PK the whole time with the occasional pass that leads to a chance. If you're pushing somebody down to those two... make it Lehky and have an absolute nightmare of a 3rd line to play against.

I don't disagree on Lehky playing there, but Drouin can move the puck up the ice with a pass in ways few guys can, and those two can skate.

I bet he could hit them behind the defense enough, or take a pass off the wall and move it through traffic often enough it would be worth it.

In my defense I was spot on when it came to Nuke helping Kadri's & Bura's lazy asses lol. This is just the reverse.
 
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