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Shane? Liam?I kind of want the Avs to sign O'Brien, there's a good chance he's nothing, but a small chance he can be some depth
Shane? Liam?I kind of want the Avs to sign O'Brien, there's a good chance he's nothing, but a small chance he can be some depth
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Drouin averages over his career, .57 PPG. JT Compher averages .47 PPG. Even over the last 3 seasons, Drouin has still averaged .57 PPG.Legit level?? Legit as in .47 PPG if he played a full 82 games which he never has? Hell, even Compher averaged the same PPG and he never played top line minutes and is 100x better as an overall player.
Drouin will be lucky to make this team. And if he does Bednar will not stand for his style of play for more than 10 games. Book it. He is an Alex Galchenyuk level player. Nothing more.
There isn't one team that would give him more money. He would have been lucky to get a PTO if not for Mackinnon.
I haven't kept up with Drouin since he went to Montreal, but hard to believe all the talent he showed in Tampa during the '16 playoffs just disappeared. Even if the shot isn't an asset, if his skating is still there, he has the speed and skill to make plays and he'll be in as good of a situation as possible to produce.I'd say first line duty is pretty likely unless (until?) he fails. He's being brought in to play next to MacK and to see if the chemistry is still there. It isn't a secret that MacK is the reason Drouin is here... not his talent, not his style of play, not his production, etc. It is simply MacK wanted him here and vouched for him. In doing so, he's going to ride or die with MacK. I do agree with the all year portion though... I think odds are high he fails and ends up an extra forward.
If he fails, he's simply not a fit on a checking or energy line type. It won't work with Colton and Wood... it certainly won't work on the 4th line. Bendar wants a style of play out of those guys... and if Newhook fails out of that, you can be damn sure Drouin will too. His effort, battle and dirty area play is just not acceptable for those roles.
People will probably hate this... but Drouin is Kerfoot that is WAY softer, and doesn't play defense. He doesn't shoot, he doesn't go into dirty areas, he doesn't battle... he is good with the puck on his stick and passing. That is all he is today. A guy who can pass the puck.
Since his major wrist injury in Nov 19, he's played 144 games. That's practically 2 seasons worth . He's scored 10 goals in that time and shooting at about a 4.5% rate. Prior to that injury, he was about a 10% guy. He also had this worked on again in 22. To me, this is a crystal clear BC/AD delineation and why I think it is a fool's errand to look at his production prior to that time. His assist production isn't that much different... even his shot production isn't that much different. He just can't beat goalies with his shot anymore. You combine that with his soft nature... you have a very one dimensional player. We will be VERY lucky if he puts up 10 goals... the expectation should be 5-7 with 30-35 assists if he keeps a larger role and plays a near full season. If he doesn't, he's likely buried and replaced at that the deadline.
Saying all of that... Drouin's success or not is really not a huge deal. If he succeeds, great the Avs don't have to address a top 6 wing spot. If he fails, ether Landy has to be back for the playoffs and ready to go day 1... or the Avs have to pick up a top 6 winger at the deadline. Top 6 wingers are available all the time and the Avs can choose to address it then.
RyJo's play is just far, FAR more important to the success of the team this season.
He's not the skater he once was and he's afraid of any contact... and the wrist injury has taken from his hands. These are all things he's lost since Tampa. He may pile up some leeching assists to get more than 30-35 if he sticks up top... but his play won't be any more than that level. He's simply not the hockey player he was 6-7-8 years ago.I haven't kept up with Drouin since he went to Montreal, but hard to believe all the talent he showed in Tampa during the '16 playoffs just disappeared. Even if the shot isn't an asset, if his skating is still there, he has the speed and skill to make plays and he'll be in as good of a situation as possible to produce.
If he's only going for 35-40 points in your 5-7 goal / 30-35 assist projection, then he won't last long on the MacKinnon line. That's basically Newhook production. Perhaps I'm in Avs lala land, but I'm thinking if Dro is there mentally, he'll set a new career high in points this year. It wouldn't be the first time a player rebuilt their confidence and turned their career around in a meaningful way. We'll see.
I'd say it wouldn't be a big deal if he flames out, but his success could certainly move the needle. Give you a top 6 winger and allow you to use the limited assets at the Avs disposal to bolster the roster elsewhere.
I haven't kept up with Drouin since he went to Montreal, but hard to believe all the talent he showed in Tampa during the '16 playoffs just disappeared. Even if the shot isn't an asset, if his skating is still there, he has the speed and skill to make plays and he'll be in as good of a situation as possible to produce.
If he's only going for 35-40 points in your 5-7 goal / 30-35 assist projection, then he won't last long on the MacKinnon line. That's basically Newhook production. Perhaps I'm in Avs lala land, but I'm thinking if Dro is there mentally, he'll set a new career high in points this year. It wouldn't be the first time a player rebuilt their confidence and turned their career around in a meaningful way. We'll see.
I'd say it wouldn't be a big deal if he flames out, but his success could certainly move the needle. Give you a top 6 winger and allow you to use the limited assets at the Avs disposal to bolster the roster elsewhere.
He's not the skater he once was and he's afraid of any contact... and the wrist injury has taken from his hands. These are all things he's lost since Tampa. He may pile up some leeching assists to get more than 30-35 if he sticks up top... but his play won't be any more than that level. He's simply not the hockey player he was 6-7-8 years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if 30-40% of his points were on the PP by the end of it. He can still move the puck on the PP... he is just zero threat to shoot it.He should still be pretty nasty on the power play, and top six guys can make a lot of points there.
If there are two players out there who can make space for him it's Nuke & Mack.
I wouldn't be surprised if 30-40% of his points were on the PP by the end of it. He can still move the puck on the PP... he is just zero threat to shoot it.
That said, it also depends which unit he ends up on. If he's top unit, I can see some points off him leeching off the talent up there. The 2nd unit's best forward might Colton... who isn't a bad player at all, but he's not an elite scorer either.
Drouin with Colton and Wood would be an utterly terrible line IMO. It would be like Colton and Wood playing on the PK the whole time with the occasional pass that leads to a chance. If you're pushing somebody down to those two... make it Lehky and have an absolute nightmare of a 3rd line to play against.If PP2 has Drouin, Colton, Lehky and Byram he'll just have to play pool, or thread it to Byram sneaking back door.
Call me crazy, and Drouin playing down probably means the line isn't in tact anymore, but I think he'd be fine play making for Colton & Wood too. Those two could use some playmaking ability on their line.
One other thing is Drouin showed up out at training camps way of shape in the past (at over 200 lbs)
I hope he trained hard this summer.
To be fair... he was told to bulk up.One other thing is Drouin showed up out at training camps way of shape in the past (at over 200 lbs)
I hope he trained hard this summer.
Drouin with Colton and Wood would be an utterly terrible line IMO. It would be like Colton and Wood playing on the PK the whole time with the occasional pass that leads to a chance. If you're pushing somebody down to those two... make it Lehky and have an absolute nightmare of a 3rd line to play against.
Oh god... if he by some miracle has a great season, for the love of everything holy DO... NOT... RE...SIGN... HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I think Drouin will be so good, the forum will die in anxiety about the worth of his next contract![]()
You know they willOh god... if he by some miracle has a great season, for the love of everything holy DO... NOT... RE...SIGN... HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh god... if he by some miracle has a great season, for the love of everything holy DO... NOT... RE...SIGN... HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know they will
Yea this isn't like eRod...if Drouin does well next to Mack all year they'll likely find a way to keep him.I’m not the GM
Of course they will re-sign him.