2023-24 Ted Lindsay Award finalists: Nikita Kucherov, Nathan MacKinnon, Auston Matthews | Winner: Nathan MacKinnon

[Muffin]

This argument between Oilers and Leafs fans is stupid. Matthews and McDavid were both a distant 3rd in both awards, wtf cares.

 

[pcruz]

Good for Matthews, he needed this after how his season ended

Think it will be between Mackinnon or Kucherov though. Mack should have it. I think this is the year he gets the Hart and Lindsey. He is deserving of both (and continues to be in the playoffs, even though that is not technically supposed to influence things).

I have a real hard time with the sheer amount of confident ignorance with "fans".

Let me explain this to you in a way that you and everyone else will understand:

These votes are locked in within 24 hours of the end of the season.
That is the day before the playoffs begin.


There is no way that the playoffs can influence these votes.

Unless the voters have access to a time machine.

 

[Romang67]

Ok this is also getting absurd in the opposite direction. Mcdavid has 87 pts in the playoffs in 54 games. He has 12 in 5 this year. He is a way, way, way better playoff performer than Matthews and it’s not even remotely close.

Yeah, in the past 3 playoffs, McDavid has 65 points in 33 games. He has been an excellent playoff performer for quite some time now.

 

[Rob Brown]

If you are comparing 100 goals to 100 assists.

I believe you were the one comparing the two saying it's harder to get 100 assists, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[GMR]

The players have spoken, McDavid shouldn't have been a Hart finalist.

Well, he only outscored Matthews by 25 points, despite playing in five fewer games.

The players seem to have higher expectations of McDavid. That's what happens after you hit 150 points.

 

[Senor Catface]

Favourable by the players?


Would have to finish first essentially.

Get better then

 

[MadLuke]

The players have spoken, McDavid shouldn't have been a Hart finalist.

And 1989 Yzerman > 1989 Mario Lemieux, Orr was the best at hockey a single year, 117 pts second place in the league +83 for a defenceman sound impressive, but the press giving him the Hart was wrong he was no Jean Ratelle.

Beloved good guy is not a factor, rotation of winners, etc...

 

[v00d00daddy]

Well, he only outscored Matthews by 25 points, despite playing in five fewer games.

The players seem to have higher expectations of McDavid. That's what happens after you hit 150 points.

Or….

A lot of NHL players think scoring 69 goals (107 pts-6th) is bigger than putting up 100 assists (132 pts-3rd)

 

[Pig Papi]

This will give McDavid motivation to score 50+ points in these playoffs.

Or 70+ Goals and 160+ points next season.

 

[Leafidelity]

The players know.

 

[v00d00daddy]

Did you stop reading after post #3?

Hahaha I didn’t. I read all of the posts.

If I missed posts where people said Matthews is a better player than McD overall (not that he just had a better season) then I’m wrong.

This thread is about this season. And that NHL players voted that Matthews, Mack and Kuch had the best 23-24 regular season.

Not best ever or overall in their careers. I don’t think its that complicated

Or 70+ Goals and 160+ points next season.

Totally could. Look at his goal scoring season last year. I love that he can turn it on.

But right now I’d like him to focus on bringing the cup to Canada. It’s been too long

 

[GMR]

Or….

A lot of NHL players think scoring 69 goals (107 pts-6th) is bigger than putting up 100 assists (132 pts-3rd)

What shallow minds they have.

 

[Spawn]

What shallow minds they have.

Meh.

69 goals is impressive no doubt.

Players are also as susceptible to voter fatigue as anyone. McDavid has to compete against past versions of himself in these awards now.

 

[Video Nasty]

Not best ever or overall in their careers. I don’t think its that complicated

 

[v00d00daddy]

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Well two groups of people should be ignored.

Those who think McD isn’t the best player in the world

And

People that can’t accept that NHL players think that Matthews had a better season this year.

Nobody….literally not one single person on this site has more say than the players who voted lol

 

[La Bamba]

McDavid is at a disadvantage due to voter fatigue. McDavid basically competes against himself for MVP awards. If he’s not beating his previous season mark, he automatically won’t win even if his “underperforming” season is better than everyone else’s best season.

 

[NeverForget06]

I have a real hard time with the sheer amount of confident ignorance with "fans".

Let me explain this to you in a way that you and everyone else will understand:

These votes are locked in within 24 hours of the end of the season.
That is the day before the playoffs begin.


There is no way that the playoffs can influence these votes.

Unless the voters have access to a time machine.

Well, I'll admit I'm wrong, I have no problem with that. If that is what they say I guess we have to take them at their word

I really appreciate that you weren't condescending about it, too

 

[notbias]

Well, he only outscored Matthews by 25 points, despite playing in five fewer games.

The players seem to have higher expectations of McDavid. That's what happens after you hit 150 points.

Maybe it is the 37 goal difference... not sure.

They are 1 point apart in primary points by the way... maybe the secondary assists don't mean as much to the players.

Or maybe it is the Selke nomination while putting up 69 goals.

This is not even saying McDavid wouldn't deserve it if nominated, but people acting like it should be McDavid have no clue.

 

[TheStatican]

You going to write a strongly worded letter to the NHLPA?

Would love to hear it how it starts;
"Hi, I'm an avid hockey fan and frequent poster on HFBoards, one of the most prestigious hockey fan websites on the entire internet! With thousands of posts on this site alone, you can see that it's quite clear that I'm a distinguished expert when it comes to the sport. My dedication and obsession clearly make my opinions more valid and surpasses those of the so-called armchair experts who actually play the sport..."

 

[ViD]

I think Kuch takes them all

 

[Voight]

Good for Matthews, he needed this after how his season ended

Think it will be between Mackinnon or Kucherov though. Mack should have it. I think this is the year he gets the Hart and Lindsey. He is deserving of both (and continues to be in the playoffs, even though that is not technically supposed to influence things).

See, I think they'll split the awards.

 

[The Macho King]

The world of the players who actually play the sport.

I've always said Mike Liut was better than Gretzky.

 

[KaN19]

This might be the first time I've ever heard of players supposedly having voter fatigue. Logically, they would be less prone to it than journalists.

 

[braunm]

Nope. One off. While being a Selke nominee. That plus having the highest goal scoring season in 30 years usually gets you some respect from the players.

Has there ever been a player to score 69 goals while being a Selke nominee? I suspect this could be even more rare than the 100 assist club

 

[LivingRentFree]

Has there ever been a player to score 69 goals while being a Selke nominee? I suspect this could be even more rare than the 100 assist club

None that I can see/find!