Speculation: 2023-24 Sharks Roster Discussion
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Might only need one if Muk keeps succeeding on the right and Cagnoni impresses because he can be moved to the right at a depth pairing. Then slide in Dickinson and Schaefer and you got a lot of potential upside on your blue line. Granted it’s very inexperienced but they gotta start somewhere and the sooner the better.
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Top drafted Dmen dont come in right away and play like Celebrini, even Dahlin and Hedman, who both played in their draft year, were not standouts
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I have to believe that some borderline playoff team with cap space is going to back the money truck up to him on the belief that he's their last piece to contention. The Sharks aren't at the point in their developmental cycle that they're going to be an attractive option for high-value FAs because they're still likely to suck or be a non-playoff factor for another couple of years. So no premium option is going to choose San Jose outside of a nutty expensive/long contract.
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Yes, but some people think Schaefer could be the exception. @Juxtaposer is more pessimistic/realistic than me and thinks that Schaefer could make the jump.
Sure, but Chychrun might get sold on the idea that he gets to be a veteran and the #1 defenseman on a growing team. He gets to play with Celebrini (that's going to be a big draw). He won't give the Sharks a discount, and will almost certainly want term...but I could see the Sharks being in the mix.
That too...is Chychrun seen as the best guy on the market? No one has discussed him, instead focusing on Ekblad/Gavrikov...maybe his complete lack of playoff experience (I want to say Arizona made it in 2020) is turning some teams off.
Maybe not but like with Celebrini and Smith, it should be treated as throw them in there and get them experience and whatever development occurs is the base for them to build upon. We’re going to play Askarov as a rookie goalie and if Cagnoni and Muk are on the team, they’re going to be inexperienced too. Chances of still being a basement team next year is high regardless of our offseason. We need to see what we have.
I've been pounding the table for Chychrun for over a year now, but I think after Arizona never went anywhere and then the struggles in his one year in Ottawa he's probably looking for a team already in contend now mode (like his current team) than being lured with promises down the road.
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We’re basically cup ready next season now that Cagnoni is here…
A defense of Cagnoni, Schafer, Dickinson, Ekblad, Bobby Orr and Chychrun would feed families.
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I think Schaefer on the 3rd pairing is the ideal move next season if he's the guy we draft. Ideally, we deal Ferraro at the TDL at which point you can expand Schaefer's role. Now maybe the injury and missing a lot of hockey and development time this season forces him back to junior, but I don't see much to be gained there and would rather him play 50 or so NHL games with lots of development days/time than go back to junior where we know he can dominate.
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He was already rapidly declining and that was with the crutch of PEDs.
I'd stay far away from Ekblad unless like you mentioned was a short term deal (sub 3 years).
This is probably his last window to earn real cash on the open market though and he'll be chasing term.
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Fabbro intrigues me a little bit and Gavrikov intrigues me a lot a bit (I really do expect him to re-up in LA though sadly), those two + Schaefer and a smexy d corps is being formed here in SJ before our very eyes.
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Let's not try and equate Ekblad taking something for an injury to Bay Area loser Barry Bonds juicing for years strictly for performance. Not saying it makes it right, but these guys get tested multiple times a year.
If he was juicing for performance as opposed to injury recovery, it would have either 1) come out long ago on one of the other drug tests you get each year or 2) was so recent that it would not have had any effect on performance.
I wouldn't be surprised by that and it may be ideal but if our D core to start next season is a combination of Cagnoni, Desharnais, Dickinson, Liljegren, Mukhamadullin, Schaefer, and a free agent RHD and we got rid of everyone else like Ferraro, Thrun, and Vlasic, I'd be alright if Schaefer earns a higher role. If they go young like that, it's a development year and someone learning is going to eat some hard minutes (probably Mukhamadullin at this stage) but a lot of decisions are going to be merit based and not out of protecting a young asset.
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I would personally have both Dickinson and Schaefer in the NHL next year and not have either of them playing a full season. Not a pure rotation/split between the two of them, but I think you can get each of them ~50ish NHL games, which is far more valuable to them than a full 85 game OHL season (RS+Playoff) where they dominate against woefully inferior talent.
Most nights will have one of Schaefer/Dickinson in the press box, but also one of them playing games and getting acclimated to the NHL. As injuries hit, some nights will have both of them on the ice playing as well so I think that is how I'd go. If they look up to the task of being full time NHLers, then ship off Ferraro, Thrun, etc. that are in their way of being full time players.
I wouldn't mind that arrangement. I'm really hoping Cagnoni impresses to make it difficult on Grier to keep him in the AHL. That's likely the default unless Cagnoni impresses with this opportunity. For me, it's just the sooner the better with getting young defensemen experience while we're in this rebuild/development phase of it. The blue line especially because that's where the most opportunity for growth is in terms of being a competitive team moving forward.
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Not to mention they'd still can participate in practices where they can hone their abilities against NHL talent...wait...
Seriously though that would be the best option for them imo.
I think Dickinson makes the team out of camp, but Schafer gets only 9 games before going back to Erie. Having Dickinson, Schaf, Cagnoni, Mukh and maybe Thompson on the blue line is just too young a squad if you're trying to also develop Askarov.
In 2005-06 the blackhawks, had 6 rookie defensemen play a combined 205 games. 2 of them played 81 and 69 games respectively averaging 20+ minutes a game.
Pretty sure that defensive core did alright considering 4 of them were still big part of the cup winning team in 09-10
Pretty sure that defensive core did alright considering 4 of them were still big part of the cup winning team in 09-10
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There’s nothing worse than Kneejerk reactions. Team had one bad period after going into the third with a lead. They’re just gonna blender everything up from that? That’s what War would do.
I swear there’s nothing worse than someone who dissects every play, shift, game under a microscope because a narrative is more important than anything. I have a friend who barely watches hockey but someone is a Stars fan. He texts me every time Oettinger lets in a bad goal but never hear from him when he’s playing lights-out. In his opinion Oettinger is the worst goaltender in hockey by a mile and is the reason the Stars never can win the cup. Nothing will ever change his opinion on it, and that would probably include actually winning a cup. Why? Because he’s so dug into his own narratives that they become priorities.
Sad.
It's possible. I'm not sure that anyone is a shoe-in to make next year's team right now. Mukhamadullin's claim to a spot next year is currently based on 10 of 11 games since the break and at best 24 of 25 games to close out this season playing how he has mostly. A bad finish to the season and/or a bad offseason and training camp can easily undo what he's put together during this stretch. I just don't see a good reason to be all that concerned about how young the blue line is. We're a rebuilding team and if we're developing Askarov, we're having a development season so why not develop defensemen in the process? We're still going to be developing plenty of forwards in this process between Celebrini, Eklund, Graf, Ostapchuk, Smith, and potentially someone like Chernyshov or Musty. At some point, we have to sort of just admit we're already at that too young point to where you might as well just commit wherever possible to whoever looks good enough to play at the NHL level.
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It's not a "narrative" to point out that Zetterlund has exclusively played on Ottawa's 4th line, it's just a fact.
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A lot can change and there are a lot of moving parts to be figured out (winning the lottery first of all!), but I feel similarly about Dickinson and Schaefer next season. Basically it comes down to who could benefit most from another season of pre-NHL development, and to me that's Schaefer after he lost so much of this season.
There's also no doubt to me that Dickinson is physically ready for the NHL. Also, Schaefer has the option of playing NCAA hockey next season, correct? So if that's deemed to be a better option than returning to Erie, at least that's on the table for him, unlike with Dickinson.
All that said, it's entirely possible Schaefer comes into camp and blows the breezers off everyone around him and the thought of him not playing with the Sharks becomes as laughable as it was with Celebrini.
