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Speculation: 2023-24 Sharks Roster Discussion

I really like Ekblad as UFA as he is a steady defensively responsible RD that can babysit Dickinson or Schaefer on a 2nd pair.

Ferraro - Mukamadulin
Schaefer - Ekblad
Dickinson - Liljegren

Vlasic, Desharnais, and Thrun can be waived if they aren’t the 7th D.
 
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timorous me said:
A lot can change and there are a lot of moving parts to be figured out (winning the lottery first of all!), but I feel similarly about Dickinson and Schaefer next season. Basically it comes down to who could benefit most from another season of pre-NHL development, and to me that's Schaefer after he lost so much of this season.

There's also no doubt to me that Dickinson is physically ready for the NHL. Also, Schaefer has the option of playing NCAA hockey next season, correct? So if that's deemed to be a better option than returning to Erie, at least that's on the table for him, unlike with Dickinson.

All that said, it's entirely possible Schaefer comes into camp and blows the breezers off everyone around him and the thought of him not playing with the Sharks becomes as laughable as it was with Celebrini.
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I just don’t think you can have both up for the whole year and I don't know what else Dickinson can do in the OHL anymore. Schaef, if we get him, can always use more seasoning, especially with this season essentially cut short for him.

I would also be surprised if Schaefer came in and blew everyone away. He may have his moments offensively, but he would have just turned 18 at the start of the season and he could stand to put on some weight.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
It's possible. I'm not sure that anyone is a shoe-in to make next year's team right now. Mukhamadullin's claim to a spot next year is currently based on 10 of 11 games since the break and at best 24 of 25 games to close out this season playing how he has mostly. A bad finish to the season and/or a bad offseason and training camp can easily undo what he's put together during this stretch. I just don't see a good reason to be all that concerned about how young the blue line is. We're a rebuilding team and if we're developing Askarov, we're having a development season so why not develop defensemen in the process? We're still going to be developing plenty of forwards in this process between Celebrini, Eklund, Graf, Ostapchuk, Smith, and potentially someone like Chernyshov or Musty. At some point, we have to sort of just admit we're already at that too young point to where you might as well just commit wherever possible to whoever looks good enough to play at the NHL level.
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I just don't see what else you do with Dickinson. Have him break his own records in the CHL?

Give him the 9 games to start the season and if he looks competent at worst then keep him up.
 
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TheBeard said:
I just don't see what else you do with Dickinson. Have him break his own records in the CHL?

Give him the 9 games to start the season and if he looks competent at worst then keep him up.
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I don't see a good reason not to just graduate him even if his NHL showing next season are less than impressive. As we saw with Smith, he may not even be NHL caliber for significant stretches but the experience is valuable in development. And if there's a position that desperately needs that development investment, it's the blue line since the development curve for defensemen tends to be longer.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
I don't see a good reason not to just graduate him even if his NHL showing next season are less than impressive. As we saw with Smith, he may not even be NHL caliber for significant stretches but the experience is valuable in development. And if there's a position that desperately needs that development investment, it's the blue line since the development curve for defensemen tends to be longer.
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It sort of sucks there are no other options for him.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
I don't see a good reason not to just graduate him even if his NHL showing next season are less than impressive. As we saw with Smith, he may not even be NHL caliber for significant stretches but the experience is valuable in development. And if there's a position that desperately needs that development investment, it's the blue line since the development curve for defensemen tends to be longer.
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His weakness is his decision making, so might as well put him in a position where he'll be highly motivated to work on it. But I suspect he's going back to the OHL.
 
Star Platinum said:
His weakness is his decision making, so might as well put him in a position where he'll be highly motivated to work on it. But I suspect he's going back to the OHL.
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We'll see. If Cagnoni struggles with this opportunity, it'll make the decision pretty easy, I think. They'll want more from Cagnoni at the AHL level to earn another chance and can keep both Dickinson and Schaefer on the bottom two pairings to develop.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
We'll see. If Cagnoni struggles with this opportunity, it'll make the decision pretty easy, I think. They'll want more from Cagnoni at the AHL level to earn another chance and can keep both Dickinson and Schaefer on the bottom two pairings to develop.
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If the Sharks draft Schaefer, they're not going to have both guys on the NHL roster next year. They might not have either on the NHL roster.
 
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Star Platinum said:
If the Sharks draft Schaefer, they're not going to have both guys on the NHL roster next year. They might not have either on the NHL roster.
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I think it really depends on how Mukh and/or Luca look for the remainder of the year (if cags gets that much time). If they look like they’re NHLers it makes it easier to throw another kid into the mix.
 
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If the Sharks draft Schaefer, they're not going to have both guys on the NHL roster next year. They might not have either on the NHL roster.
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I do think there's a scenario where both are in the NHL to start next year. Schaefer is going to basically choose where he goes. I think for him it's either college or the NHL. I don't see an issue with managing both in the same season. It probably would come at Cagnoni's expense but he's pretty clearly going to be 4th on the priority list among Cagnoni, Dickinson, Mukhamadullin, and Schaefer unless he looks pretty special from the outset.
 
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Way too much bad juju discussing Schaefer in the lineup.

Y'all should be debating whether we draft Hagens, Martone, Eklund, Frondell, Desnoyers, Mrtka, J.Smith, and where THEY would play next year.

Edit: the answer is, none of them should play in the NHL next year. NCAA for north Americans and stay in Sweden for the swedes.
 
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coooldude said:
Way too much bad juju discussing Schaefer in the lineup.

Y'all should be debating whether we draft Hagens, Martone, Eklund, Frondell, Desnoyers, Mrtka, J.Smith, and where THEY would play next year.
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Discussing a player in a lineup next year is not bad juju. Those players you listed all likely return to where they're playing currently or go to college. There's little expectation beyond Schaefer and Misa to make an NHL play wherever they get drafted.
 
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Yes, I know there's no such thing as juju. I still think it's silly to pencil Schaefer into the lineup before we've even got a chance to draft him. And if people want to roster speculate - do it in the most likely scenario that we draft third.
 
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coooldude said:
Yes, I know there's no such thing as juju. I still think it's silly to pencil Schaefer into the lineup before we've even got a chance to draft him. And if people want to roster speculate - do it in the most likely scenario that we draft third.
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I’m gonna go out on a limb and say we draft first overall next year. In fact we should draft this year knowing this 100% certainty.
 
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coooldude said:
Yes, I know there's no such thing as juju. I still think it's silly to pencil Schaefer into the lineup before we've even got a chance to draft him. And if people want to roster speculate - do it in the most likely scenario that we draft third.
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The most likely scenario is that we draft first. Either way, it's every bit as silly to roster speculate but that's part of the entertainment value of posting in these sorts of message boards. Talking about it is not going to change the outcome regardless. Pretending that it does will not alter it either.
 
Well, even if we finish last, the most likely scenario is we pick 3rd. Then 1st, then 2nd.
1st (25.5%) - 18.5% to win lotto + 7% teams in 12-16th win and can't move up to 1st
2nd (18.8%) - 74.5% chance we lose lotto then win 2nd lotto or teams 13-16 win it
3rd (55.7%) - if neither 1st nor 2nd happen

It's funny because of all the talk about being happy that Misa is available at 2, but the Sharks picking there is by far the least likely outcome.
 
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