GDT: 2023-24 season game 49 LA Kings vs Edmonton Oilers @7:00pm 2/10/24

[unicornpig]

Turcotte was the one that jumped over the boards early when Kopitar kicked the puck to get the too many men on the ice penalty

He leaps over the boards behind Kopitar as Kopitar was standing at the boards preparing to get off the ice


I have no idea if Kopitar knew he was going to do it or had done it or if the coaching staff really felt like a poor game management play made out of eagerness is worthy of being benched for the second half of the game.... BUT if people want an explanation for what Hiller meant I would assume that's what it was.

IF anyone was particularly inclined to go poking holes in that explanation... Grundstrom didn't play much more than Turcotte in that window yet wasn't "removed" from the game.

I think he was the player selected to sit in the box for both too many men penalties but was out for the first even strength shift after killing the penalty that started the 3rd.

So... I dunno maybe Hiller wanted to give Turcotte a tiny punishment for hopping over the boards early but by the time he even had a chance to keep him off the ice 40-50 minutes would have gone by and at that point he decided it wouldn't be fair for Turcotte to miss one regular shift and then try and get his legs going after not skating for close to an hour so he just shut it down?

Who knows? but more importantly who really cares?

It was a 4-0 win and the coach said Turcotte will be back against Buffalo and I know this is a bubble community where jokes and funny takes get repeated and slowly over time they coalesce into genuine conspiracy theories the generate strong emotional reactions to minor issues but this one in particular doesn't necessarily seem to fit the narrative.

To me anyway...

Are you serious? you have a kid who has had set back after set back, he finally has a good game and you bench him for almost the entirety of the game? if he's gonna get benched for any mistake how is he gonna expect to learn from the bench?

 

[psych3man]

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This was f'ing hilarious...
Spit out my diet coke as I scrolled to the picture.
Well done!

(though I do not understand the deployment...)

 

[tny760]

Who knows? but more importantly who really cares?

well.......

people who have watched the kings org continuously jerk around certain kids care

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

Changing how the kids are deployed is perhaps the most important thing about moving on from Todd. So I care quite a bit about what happens with Kaliyev, Turcotte, and Clarke. Game 1 is an F on that front, even if they won

 

[chris kontos]

Turcotte was the one that jumped over the boards early when Kopitar kicked the puck to get the too many men on the ice penalty

He leaps over the boards behind Kopitar as Kopitar was standing at the boards preparing to get off the ice


I have no idea if Kopitar knew he was going to do it or had done it or if the coaching staff really felt like a poor game management play made out of eagerness is worthy of being benched for the second half of the game.... BUT if people want an explanation for what Hiller meant I would assume that's what it was.

IF anyone was particularly inclined to go poking holes in that explanation... Grundstrom didn't play much more than Turcotte in that window yet wasn't "removed" from the game.

I think he was the player selected to sit in the box for both too many men penalties but was out for the first even strength shift after killing the penalty that started the 3rd.

So... I dunno maybe Hiller wanted to give Turcotte a tiny punishment for hopping over the boards early but by the time he even had a chance to keep him off the ice 40-50 minutes would have gone by and at that point he decided it wouldn't be fair for Turcotte to miss one regular shift and then try and get his legs going after not skating for close to an hour so he just shut it down?

Who knows? but more importantly who really cares?

It was a 4-0 win and the coach said Turcotte will be back against Buffalo and I know this is a bubble community where jokes and funny takes get repeated and slowly over time they coalesce into genuine conspiracy theories the generate strong emotional reactions to minor issues but this one in particular doesn't necessarily seem to fit the narrative.

To me anyway...

Here's an idea
If you dont care and dont enjoy this kings forum as the last paragraph and history shows, why do you expend so much writing on it?
Im sure we're all very grateful For you being a direct conduit for kings team hot takes, if you dont like the place reddit sounds more like your style.

 

[unicornpig]

Changing how the kids are deployed is perhaps the most important thing about moving on from Todd. So I care quite a bit about what happens with Kaliyev, Turcotte, and Clarke. Game 1 is an F on that front, even if they won

exactly, its about the overall picture not just one game victory.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Here's an idea
If you dont care and dont enjoy this kings forum as the last paragraph and history shows, why do you expend so much writing on it?
Im sure we're all very grateful For you being a direct conduit for kings team hot takes, if you dont like the place reddit sounds more like your style.

I get it.

I've been a fan since the mid 80s.

I didn't mean " who cares" as in "don't talk about it" I meant it in the sense that we're talking about a reduction of playing time of maybe 5 and a half minutes.

You'll notice I don't have anything to say to anyone complaining about Clarke's deployment or Kaliyev's deployment or anyone who thinks Turcotte should be playing further up in the lineup.

I DO like this place and I do agree with and enjoy many of the criticisms that are written here.

HOWEVER as someone who is a "direct conduit" I have a different perspective on some of the more outrageous complaints that I see.

Sometimes I lean too hard on a certain tone but in this case I'm really just trying to suggest that what happened might be more interesting than "the organization hates it's prospects and mistreats them at every turn"

I think there are certainly chapters in recent history that would lend itself more to that sentiment... the deployment and subsequent loss of Tobias Bjornfot being chief among them....

This one tho? I simply disagree and thought offering an alternate explanation might be helpful.

 

[All The Kings Men]

well.......

people who have watched the kings org continuously jerk around certain kids care

I get that.

I genuinely don't believe this is that.

IF Hiller really did bench Turcotte for half a game exclusively as a punishment for hopping over the boards early and causing a penalty THEN I would say that generally speaking I disagree with it.

And

IF someone wanted to suggest that Turcotte should have had more playing time in the NHL to this point in his career or that he should be playing further up in the lineup THEN regardless of how I felt about those arguments I wouldn't say anything or use the phrase "who cares"... but this particular example feels to me like people with a narrative seeking any opportunity to fit a new chapter into the story and I genuinely don't agree with the most extreme version of the narrative and I don't KNOW if the specific incident fits the narrative in anyway.

The "who cares" was a casual use of a common experssion.

So apologies for using a dismissive phrase.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

I get that.

I genuinely don't believe this is that.

IF Hiller really did bench Turcotte for half a game exclusively as a punishment for hopping over the boards early and causing a penalty THEN I would say that generally speaking I disagree with it.

And

IF someone wanted to suggest that Turcotte should have had more playing time in the NHL to this point in his career or that he should be playing further up in the lineup THEN regardless of how I felt about those arguments I wouldn't say anything or use the phrase "who cares"... but this particular example feels to me like people with a narrative seeking any opportunity to fit a new chapter into the story and I genuinely don't agree with the most extreme version of the narrative and I don't KNOW if the specific incident fits the narrative in anyway.

The "who cares" was a casual use of a common experssion.

So apologies for using a dismissive phrase.

Is the narrative that you think is trivial; that Blake and Luc are incompetent and have created a country club environment close to what we had before Lombardi? I know at least 4 of us that would love to have that debate with someone who is contrarian to that opinion. I personally will even type slow and use punctuation if that debate is on the table. I wouldn’t even say that I’m biased seeing as Blake was my favorite player growing up and my sons named Blake because of that.

 

[Sol]

Is the narrative that you think is trivial; that Blake and Luc are incompetent and have created a country club environment close to what we had before Lombardi? I know at least 4 of us that would love to have that debate with someone who is contrarian to that opinion. I personally will even type slow and use punctuation if that debate is on the table. I wouldn’t even say that I’m biased seeing as Blake was my favorite player growing up and my sons named Blake because of that.

There’s a narrative that hangs around here from a select few that comes across as facetious for criticizing the organization. It starts from Blake and even bleeds down to people like Carrlyn “Let them cook” Bathes. They act as bigger Kings fan by having incentivized blind faith in the organization, and those who don’t buy in aren’t good fans.

Personally, anyone who supports this brass from top to bottom is a blind mouth piece to an unsuccessful regime that’s on its last leg towards a complete collapse. They’ve done nothing to warrant such “loyalty”. I think anyone who is in constant support of this regime is the worst kind of fan. Being a fan of this team means that you don’t put up with this group of “leaders” because all they’ve done is toil away in expensive mediocrity and mismanagement. From destroying the rebuild, hiring a historically failure of a coach, to maxing out the cap space with no meaningful upgrades. A real fan roots for the symbolism of the logo, not the country club in charge of them.

 

[tny760]

I get that.

I genuinely don't believe this is that.

IF Hiller really did bench Turcotte for half a game exclusively as a punishment for hopping over the boards early and causing a penalty THEN I would say that generally speaking I disagree with it.

And

IF someone wanted to suggest that Turcotte should have had more playing time in the NHL to this point in his career or that he should be playing further up in the lineup THEN regardless of how I felt about those arguments I wouldn't say anything or use the phrase "who cares"... but this particular example feels to me like people with a narrative seeking any opportunity to fit a new chapter into the story and I genuinely don't agree with the most extreme version of the narrative and I don't KNOW if the specific incident fits the narrative in anyway.

The "who cares" was a casual use of a common experssion.

So apologies for using a dismissive phrase.

you're good man, i follow. i'm obviously one of the ones that's always snappy about dismissiveness from our media but like you said, it's a tone thing sometimes

i want the kid to succeed, and to me that means he needs opportunity. he seized it last game, and no less risky opportunity than garbage time against a beat team, that's really all i have to say about it. just doesn't feel good amongst all the other good i saw last night

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

 

[tny760]

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my creative juices are uh.. vaporizing

 

[The Butcher]

PL calling for a change and then going for a big hit... honestly that play would get me in the dog house on my beer league team. Another totally unacceptable play but I will say the guy actually seemed to give a shit tonight.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

PL calling for a change and then going for a big hit... honestly that play would get me in the dog house on my beer league team. Another totally unacceptable play but I will say the guy actually seemed to give a shit tonight.

Yea...that was....unacceptable, one or the other, can't have both

 

[Sol]

Look if PL plays with this edge and takes out McDavid we’d all be buying his jersey except for Herby and KP who are anti-vengeance

 

[jgs]

Well if Turcoote got benched for that line change that caused the too many men on the ice penalty, Then PLD should have been benched for his stupid call for a line change and then stayed on the ice.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Well if Turcoote got benched for that line change that caused the too many men on the ice penalty, Then PLD should have been benched for his stupid call for a line change and then stayed on the ice.

Might wanna reread everything you thought you read, you missed a HUGE portion of that.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Look if PL plays with this edge and takes out McDavid we’d all be buying his jersey except for Herby and KP who are anti-vengeance

Count me in the “anti-vengeance” group, and I submit a motion for us to be renamed “pro-common sense.”

 

[chris kontos]

Arthur Kaliyev sits and waits

 

[Sol]

Count me in the “anti-vengeance” group, and I submit a motion for us to be renamed “pro-common sense.”

Motion denied

 

[kingsfan28]

 

[tny760]

he posted that midgame though, turc did take 2 shifts in the 2nd period

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Changing how the kids are deployed is perhaps the most important thing about moving on from Todd. So I care quite a bit about what happens with Kaliyev, Turcotte, and Clarke. Game 1 is an F on that front, even if they won

Well get ready to be disappointed…the new boss was very clear about how it’s all about wins and losses from here on out.

This is not development camp, no matter how many of you around here want it to be.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Well get ready to be disappointed…the new boss was very clear about how it’s all about wins and losses from here on out.

This is not development camp, no matter how many of you around here want it to be.

Thats such tripe. What does that even mean - all about wins and losses.. if thats his euphemism for playing the vets than it all makes sense.. Just Koala 2.0. The reason you have an 82 game season is try out a few things along the way. These morons dont think the kids can handle it thats their big blind spot. Your little pet Koala hasnt learned that in 15 years of head coaching and thats why he's unemployed again.