2023-24 San Diego Gulls/Tulsa Oilers
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Kind of hard to believe this was the high point of the season. 7 straight losses and counting, the bloom is definitely off the rose
I mean i'll happily take it lol. doesn't render my point invalid tho, he hasn't been scoring like I expected.
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Ouch I was ok with the pick because I’m no scout and figured I’d trust Verbeek and the plan, but that’s not a good start at all for a guy you want as a shut down center. They may need to cool it with the safe floor picks and start selecting guys with elite upside even if they have a lower floor.
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No easy solutions for Gaucher. Going back to junior as an overager or spending time in the E is almost always the kiss of death for 1st rounders. Such a terrible pick.
I think a lot of it is the forwards. there isn't anyone who's really gonna be a driver of their offense. I'm actually somewhat amazed they are 21st in the league in GF, feels like they should be lower than that.
Of course, it's up to Mcilvane to find solutions as well and find ways to have success with what he's been given.
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It's early in the season for the rookie in a pro league. I've often compared him to Groulx. Groulx's path to the NHL has taken some time and remains unknown. Gaucher may need as long.
Gaucher should not have stayed at the Q. He needs to know the threshold jump from Q (CHL) to the AHL. There's going to be another jump from the AHL to the NHL. There is no growth potential for Gaucher in the Q as his offensive production has plateaued. He's going to be a bottom-6, physical, defensive forward at the NHL level and we need him to understand the physical as well as speed jump to the pros.
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Anaheim has been drafting guys with elite upside and a lower floor with late risers in Jones, Steel, Tracey, and Perreault.
Later first round picks are such a gamble for all teams. It's the Ducks' kryptonite when selecting forwards with later first round picks and beyond. OTOH, the Ducks are great at finding NHL talent in d-men and goalies later in the first round and beyond.
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There is definitely a different style and structure of play – with more emphasis on quick transition and keeping possession in the offensive zone but the sacrifice appears to be on defense. Game after game I am seeing the shot maps showing far too many high danger chances being allowed in front. On a potential positive note – the Gulls have only played above .500 teams so far – but then again – right now the only in-division teams they look potentially capable of beating are the Condors (who just received Jack Campbell from the Oilers) and the Barracuda. The crucial difference between San Diego and their opponents appears to be a lack of weapons and experience – can Rob DiMaio step in and fix this earlier than he did last year?
Yeah it’s baffling how great we can find solid D in the later 1st / 2nd round but struggle so much at forward. I still have hope for Perreault but have kind of just hope in Tracey.
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Defend the Nest (DTN) recap of game 9
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2023-2024 Game 9: San Diego Gulls at Coachella Valley Firebirds
Looking to snap a six game losing streak and hoping to build off some close overtime losses in Charlotte, the Gulls finished their road-trip in the desert - sto
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Gotta reframe the thought. Later 1st and 2nd round picks are all gambles for all teams. Most teams do not draft well after in later 1st and beyond picks. Us drafting well with defense and goalies is the exception and not the norm.
That's the problem with us on here is we think it's normal to hit on prospects in the later 1st and beyond because we hit so well on defense and goalies. Despite numerous publications always citing us as the top in drafting for years (or decade plus), our fan base doesn't believe it because they don't know how difficult it is for other organizations to have much success.
There’s a difference though, I know it’s a gamble, so if you’re going to gamble anyways, really go for it. But playing it safe on a “high floor pick” where it’s a gamble anyways is an odd strategy. We aren’t expecting them to hit on those picks, but if they are going to make the safe picks as part of the plan, those picks really need to amount to something more than they have.
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Good point. We take a safe pick in Gaucher, people get mad. We go boom or bust with Perreault, people get mad.
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I don’t think we’ve made many high floor 1st rd. forward picks in recent memory.
Lundestrom comes to mind, and he established himself as an NHL 3rd liner.
Other than Gaucher, weren’t the rest boom or bust types that weren’t drafted for the 3rd/4th lines?
Jones - power forward
Steel - undersized high end scorer at jr level
Perreault - one dimensional sniper
Tracey - playmaker
I’m speaking on Verbeeks picks, because it seems like he’s drafting this way. Myatovic also was labeled as a high floor complimentary guy. If him and Gaucher do end up working out, it’ll look great, but if they don’t it kinda looks dumb you gambled on a safe pick and still missed. With that said, I have been on record supporting this philosophy, and I’ll give both those guys time because they are very recent picks still.
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