Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

[DuckDuckGetz]

Well yeah but I want to clear the air that Killorn is going to be good at ES, but his penalty killing should really help though. The PP for him though is meh.

That's because you haven't seen what he can do with PP Wizard Newell Brown!

 

[Leonardo87]

That's because you haven't seen what he can do with PP Wizard Newell Brown!

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. Lol

 

[robbieboy3686]

That's because you haven't seen what he can do with PP Wizard Newell Brown!

We’re all as clueless as N brown is. And that’s a problem

 

[slippingsloth]

We’re all as clueless as N brown is. And that’s a problem

To be fair we arent paid to be clueless, we tend to pay

 

[robbieboy3686]

To be fair we arent paid to be clueless, we tend to pay

Another problem with our special teams. We aren’t getting it done.

 

[duckpuck]

Jones actually looked like he was putting it together at the tail end of last year. Hopefully he just needs a few games to get going but he hasn't really been noticeable in a good way so far this year.

Jones seems like a great teammate and brings energy, but the production has never been there on a consistent basis. And despite his reputation coming up, he really doesn't add much toughness. I've said this for a while now - nice guy but not a long term role for him.

Ehhh

Jones is worse, Silfverberg is significantly worse, Henrique is worse, Fowler is worse. Terry is worse. Zegras is worse.

Carrick is healthy, last year he clearly wasn’t. Cronin doesn’t get credit for that.

McTavish is better, significantly. Strome has looked better. Vatrano is where he was 2nd half of last year. Leason is better.

Groulx, Carlsson, Johnston, Drysdale, Mintyukov, Gudas, Lybushkin, LaCombe, and Luneau are weapons that were not (or were barely) available last year.

The team is absolutely playing better (but it’s been 3 games in a new system, and I’m expecting most of those “worse” players to improve as they learn it), but the fact that 8 of the 18 skaters are new (this is before Killorn returns) is getting exceedingly glossed over around here. As is the majority of returning veterans aren’t actually individually playing nearly any better, and in many cases significantly worse, than they were 5 months ago.

You did acknowledge its only been 3 games. And yes, the personnel has been turned over significantly. But the coaching differences in the team is clear and obvious, particularly on the defensive end. Much better positioning, much more physicality (from the same players who were on the team last year), and much tougher on the stick. I've yet to see one guy wide open in front of the net, which happened about 3 times a game last year.

Responding to other posts re the power play, I agree that coaching seems to be an issue. But I would also add that Z coming in late and the lack of a set preseason roster has probably hurt that unit disproportionately. During the preseason, we seldom iced those guys together and Z was not there. So I'm willing to give it a bit more time, but I agree the unit looks awful which has been a long term trend.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Jones seems like a great teammate and brings energy, but the production has never been there on a consistent basis. And despite his reputation coming up, he really doesn't add much toughness. I've said this for a while now - nice guy but not a long term role for him.



You did acknowledge its only been 3 games. And yes, the personnel has been turned over significantly. But the coaching differences in the team is clear and obvious, particularly on the defensive end. Much better positioning, much more physicality (from the same players who were on the team last year), and much tougher on the stick. I've yet to see one guy wide open in front of the net, which happened about 3 times a game last year.

Responding to other posts re the power play, I agree that coaching seems to be an issue. But I would also add that Z coming in late and the lack of a set preseason roster has probably hurt that unit disproportionately. During the preseason, we seldom iced those guys together and Z was not there. So I'm willing to give it a bit more time, but I agree the unit looks awful which has been a long term trend.

I remember watching the 2016 draft and was hyped with how they were comparing him to bad boy Corey Perry. I was hoping he'd at least be a bottom 6 guy who's pisses off other teams with Perry like behavior.

 

[Ducks DVM]

“If there is anything the Ducks will temper now, it is the expectation that Carlsson will play every game. Verbeek is set on managing his young center over the first half of the schedule. There isn’t a strict plan in place, but it’s very possible that he sits one game whenever Anaheim has a back-to-back in the schedule. One already comes this weekend as the Ducks visit Arizona for a Saturday matinee before returning home to play Boston on Sunday.

Carlsson could watch one of those instead and pour his energies into an intense off-ice workout. Verbeek wants to build him up and not see him worn down after the games pile up.

“I played in this league as a 19-year-old,” Verbeek said. “I kind of know at game 40, 42 somewhere in there, I hit a wall. It took me a while to kind of get through that wall, and I don’t want him to go through that. I want him to be a horse in the second half of the season. So, we’re going to manage his games for the next couple of months anyways.””

What we learned from Leo Carlsson's first NHL game

Leo Carlsson, the No. 2 pick in the 2023 draft, scored in his NHL debut Thursday. Here's what I saw in his first game.

theathletic.com

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

“If there is anything the Ducks will temper now, it is the expectation that Carlsson will play every game. Verbeek is set on managing his young center over the first half of the schedule. There isn’t a strict plan in place, but it’s very possible that he sits one game whenever Anaheim has a back-to-back in the schedule. One already comes this weekend as the Ducks visit Arizona for a Saturday matinee before returning home to play Boston on Sunday.

Carlsson could watch one of those instead and pour his energies into an intense off-ice workout. Verbeek wants to build him up and not see him worn down after the games pile up.

“I played in this league as a 19-year-old,” Verbeek said. “I kind of know at game 40, 42 somewhere in there, I hit a wall. It took me a while to kind of get through that wall, and I don’t want him to go through that. I want him to be a horse in the second half of the season. So, we’re going to manage his games for the next couple of months anyways.””

What we learned from Leo Carlsson's first NHL game

Leo Carlsson, the No. 2 pick in the 2023 draft, scored in his NHL debut Thursday. Here's what I saw in his first game.

theathletic.com

They certainly like this metaphor, they use it all the time

 

[Ducks DVM]

They certainly like this metaphor, they use it all the time

 

[Hockey Duckie]

“If there is anything the Ducks will temper now, it is the expectation that Carlsson will play every game. Verbeek is set on managing his young center over the first half of the schedule. There isn’t a strict plan in place, but it’s very possible that he sits one game whenever Anaheim has a back-to-back in the schedule. One already comes this weekend as the Ducks visit Arizona for a Saturday matinee before returning home to play Boston on Sunday.

Carlsson could watch one of those instead and pour his energies into an intense off-ice workout. Verbeek wants to build him up and not see him worn down after the games pile up.

“I played in this league as a 19-year-old,” Verbeek said. “I kind of know at game 40, 42 somewhere in there, I hit a wall. It took me a while to kind of get through that wall, and I don’t want him to go through that. I want him to be a horse in the second half of the season. So, we’re going to manage his games for the next couple of months anyways.””

What we learned from Leo Carlsson's first NHL game

Leo Carlsson, the No. 2 pick in the 2023 draft, scored in his NHL debut Thursday. Here's what I saw in his first game.

theathletic.com

Or maybe Verbeek witnessed what happened to Mac last year, except it was around game 50 for Mac. Mac played 80 games, missed the last 2 games of the season, iirc.

 

[MMC]

Starting to wonder if Jones gets nontendered in the offseason. Still plenty of time to make or break the decision, and his QO isn’t super high at 1.5M, but he may also find himself out of the lineup for much of this season and that’s a bit of a premium for a press box forward

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

“If there is anything the Ducks will temper now, it is the expectation that Carlsson will play every game. Verbeek is set on managing his young center over the first half of the schedule. There isn’t a strict plan in place, but it’s very possible that he sits one game whenever Anaheim has a back-to-back in the schedule. One already comes this weekend as the Ducks visit Arizona for a Saturday matinee before returning home to play Boston on Sunday.

Carlsson could watch one of those instead and pour his energies into an intense off-ice workout. Verbeek wants to build him up and not see him worn down after the games pile up.

“I played in this league as a 19-year-old,” Verbeek said. “I kind of know at game 40, 42 somewhere in there, I hit a wall. It took me a while to kind of get through that wall, and I don’t want him to go through that. I want him to be a horse in the second half of the season. So, we’re going to manage his games for the next couple of months anyways.””

What we learned from Leo Carlsson's first NHL game

Leo Carlsson, the No. 2 pick in the 2023 draft, scored in his NHL debut Thursday. Here's what I saw in his first game.

theathletic.com

I don’t like it. How many young stars in league history have done this? None that come to mind.

Too much of an NBA mentality for me. This is an entertainment business and people pay to see guys like Leo play not sit in the press box.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

Starting to wonder if Jones gets nontendered in the offseason. Still plenty of time to make or break the decision, and his QO isn’t super high at 1.5M, but he may also find himself out of the lineup for much of this season and that’s a bit of a premium for a press box forward

Possible. I was thinking that for him to stick he might have to become meaner, maybe even an enforcer type. He could become one of those rare tough guys who can skate a regular shift. Not sure if he's willing to do that though, regular fights are very taxing on your body.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Possible. I was thinking that for him to stick he might have to become meaner, maybe even an enforcer type. He could become one of those rare tough guys who can skate a regular shift. Not sure if he's willing to do that though, regular fights are very taxing on your body.

He’s had fights. Fighting isn’t for him. I was hoping he would become a really good penalty killer, net front presence and positive figure when drawing calls and not taking bad penalties. When I say this, obviously I was hoping for much more when we drafted him. Been reduced to these kinds of hopeful wishes for him

 

[Ducks DVM]

I don’t like it. How many young stars in league history have done this? None that come to mind.

Too much of an NBA mentality for me. This is an entertainment business and people pay to see guys like Leo play not sit in the press box.

1st overall picks, GP in draft year, Points

Slafkovsky - 39, 10
Power - 8, 3
Lafraniere - 56, 21
Hughes - 61, 21
Dahlin - 82, 44
Hischier - 82, 52
Matthews - 82, 69
McDavid - 45, 48
Ekblad - 81, 39
MacKinnon - 82, 63
Yakupov - 48, 31
RNH - 62, 52
Hall - 65, 42
Tavares - 82, 54

2nd overall - GP, points
Nemek - 0 (period, no NHL games)
Beniers - 10, 9
Byfield - 6, 1
Kakko - 66, 23
Svechnikov - 82, 37
Patrick - 73, 30
Laine - 73, 64
Eichel - 81, 56
Reinhart - 79, 42
Barkov - 54, 24
Murray - 66, 21
Landeskog - 82, 52
Seguin - 74, 22
Hedman - 74, 20

It’s actually pretty common for top players to not play 82 games their draft year. Obviously there are a few shortened seasons in there.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

1st overall picks, GP in draft year, Points

Slafkovsky - 39, 10
Power - 8, 3
Lafraniere - 56, 21
Hughes - 61, 21
Dahlin - 82, 44
Hischier - 82, 52
Matthews - 82, 69
McDavid - 45, 48
Ekblad - 81, 39
MacKinnon - 82, 63
Yakupov - 48, 31
RNH - 62, 52
Hall - 65, 42
Tavares - 82, 54

2nd overall - GP, points
Nemek - 0 (period, no NHL games)
Beniers - 10, 9
Byfield - 6, 1
Kakko - 66, 23
Svechnikov - 82, 37
Patrick - 73, 30
Laine - 73, 64
Eichel - 81, 56
Reinhart - 79, 42
Barkov - 54, 24
Murray - 66, 21
Landeskog - 82, 52
Seguin - 74, 22
Hedman - 74, 20

It’s actually pretty common for top players to not play 82 games their draft year. Obviously there are a few shortened seasons in there.

Many of those weren't on the roster for the entire season though. How many were being rested like they were Leonard from the Clippers?

Others weren't good enough to crack the lineup. Seguin for example wasn't being rested he was on the best team in the league and struggled to crack the lineup. Not the case with Leo. Leo has been one of the 3 best forwards on either side every game he's played. Sitting this quality of a player out for rest is NBA garbage. People pay too much money to see stars play the game. Load management has no place in hockey.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Many of those weren't on the roster for the entire season though. How many were being rested like they were Leonard from the Clippers?

Others weren't good enough to crack the lineup. Seguin for example wasn't being rested he was on the best team in the league and struggled to crack the lineup. Not the case with Leo. Leo has been one of the 3 best forwards on either side every game he's played. Sitting this quality of a player out for rest is NBA garbage. People pay too much money to see stars play the game. Load management has no place in hockey.

Rookies hitting a wall at 40-50 games is a real thing, especially when they’re 18. We aren’t making the playoffs this year, I’d rather he was developed the way he should be.

Also, virtually every single one of those players other than Seguin was on a mediocre to crap team. That how you get drafted top 2.

 

[ScarTroy]

Rookies hitting a wall at 40-50 games is a real thing, especially when they’re 18. We aren’t making the playoffs this year, I’d rather he was developed the way he should be.

Also, virtually every single one of those players other than Seguin was on a mediocre to crap team. That how you get drafted top 2.

I’m 100% ok with managing his games a bit, but I think it’s a little early I’d like for them to at least wait until Killorn returns. Give the kids a bit more time to build chemistry, and then manage Leo a bit when we have another top 6 forward available

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Rookies hitting a wall at 40-50 games is a real thing, especially when they’re 18. We aren’t making the playoffs this year, I’d rather he was developed the way he should be.

Also, virtually every single one of those players other than Seguin was on a mediocre to crap team. That how you get drafted top 2.

Rookies hitting a wall is a thing but virtually nobody in 100+ years of hockey history has reacted to it this way. The reason why those rookies were sat was because they weren't playing well, you didn't have a gm planning to sit dudes in the opening two weeks of the season where said rookie has looked like the best forward

Well we won't make the playoffs with management doing crap like this that's for sure.

 

[Rasp]

Rookies hitting a wall is a thing but virtually nobody in 100+ years of hockey history has reacted to it this way. The reason why those rookies were sat was because they weren't playing well, you didn't have a gm planning to sit dudes in the opening two weeks of the season where said rookie has looked like the best forward

Well we won't make the playoffs with management doing crap like this that's for sure.

He is 18 years old and you want to overwork him for entertainment? He needs to develop which includes rest and practice.

We aren't making playoffs that was never happening with 4 rookies on the team playing key roles. They will all hit a wall at some point all Verbeek is doing is preserving their bodies and helping them adjust to the rigors of the NHL.

It's short sighted to burn out your young talent before we are even a chance to make a cup run.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Rookies hitting a wall is a thing but virtually nobody in 100+ years of hockey history has reacted to it this way. The reason why those rookies were sat was because they weren't playing well, you didn't have a gm planning to sit dudes in the opening two weeks of the season where said rookie has looked like the best forward

Well we won't make the playoffs with management doing crap like this that's for sure.

There are a grand total of NINE back to back games. I do not think that Carlsson missing 9 games over 80 games is a Greek tragedy, especially if it keeps him healthy and makes him better next year.

edit - I would hope that it would be mainly away games where he sits, however.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

He is 18 years old and you want to overwork him for entertainment? He needs to develop which includes rest and practice.

We aren't making playoffs that was never happening with 4 rookies on the team playing key roles. They will all hit a wall at some point all Verbeek is doing is preserving their bodies and helping them adjust to the rigors of the NHL.

It's short sighted to burn out your young talent before we are even a chance to make a cup run.

Which 18 year old hockey player in the history of the NHL is resting like Verbeek described? How is playing a full 82 game season hurting his devolpment? There's been thousands of 18 year olds who played the full season and they've managed to survive. It's more than just entertainment, it's respecting people who pay money to see your product. It's also about respecting the player. Many guys have Calder trophy as a bucket list for their NHL career and sitting Leo basically strips any of that away. Disqualifying the team from playoff contention is exactly the type of attitude that'll keep this team from ever being successful. How many people thought the Kraken would be in the playoffs last year? None. Verbeek has shown a loser mentality for a while now and it's going to be a self fulfilling prophecy if he continues to over manage the tean

There are a grand total of NINE back to back games. I do not think that Carlsson missing 9 games over 80 games is a Greek tragedy, especially if it keeps him healthy and makes him better next year.

edit - I would hope that it would be mainly away games where he sits, however.

It's a lack of respect for the consumer. Home or away you have people traveling to see stars play. If Verbeek wants to manage an NBA team, tell him to apply for a job.

 

[Mr Rogers]

It's not really worth arguing about - it's part of Verbeek's stated plan whether we like it or not (and i personally think it's not a bad idea with a player like Leo)

 

[Ducks DVM]

Which 18 year old hockey player in the history of the NHL is resting like Verbeek described? How is playing a full 82 game season hurting his devolpment? There's been thousands of 18 year olds who played the full season and they've managed to survive. It's more than just entertainment, it's respecting people who pay money to see your product. It's also about respecting the player. Many guys have Calder trophy as a bucket list for their NHL career and sitting Leo basically strips any of that away. Disqualifying the team from playoff contention is exactly the type of attitude that'll keep this team from ever being successful. How many people thought the Kraken would be in the playoffs last year? None. Verbeek has shown a loser mentality for a while now and it's going to be a self fulfilling prophecy if he continues to over manage the tean


It's a lack of respect for the consumer. Home or away you have people traveling to see stars play. If Verbeek wants to manage an NBA team, tell him to apply for a job.

McTavish last year had 43 points in 80 games. Only 17 of those came in the last 40, and he was scoreless in 27 of the 40. His massive falloff in play erased his Calder hopes. Resting a couple games may well have kept them alive.

As a 17 year paying consumer, I’m fine with resting an 18 year old. It’s not like they’re resting Zegras and Terry, they’re resting a kid An 18 year old wouldn’t be playing in the NFL, and would likely be undrafted, cut, or be receiving minimal minutes in the NBA.

Also - there’s not a strict plan, and the goal is to make sure he can “be a horse in the second half of the season” - THAT is how he gets a Calder.