Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

[Hey234]

It seems pretty clear that Cronin wants to try the Zegras-Carlsson-Terry line, and until Killorn returns, the 2nd line is working. That drops Henrique to the 3rd line. Silf is not being benched and they love him more than I do so he'll probably be on the 3rd as well.

Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Strome
Henrique-Groulx-Silf
Jones-Carrick-Leason

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

It seems pretty clear that Cronin wants to try the Zegras-Carlsson-Terry line, and until Killorn returns, the 2nd line is working. That drops Henrique to the 3rd line. Silf is not being benched and they love him more than I do so he'll probably be on the 3rd as well.

Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Strome
Henrique-Groulx-Silf
Jones-Carrick-Leason

Fourth line should be rocking..

 

[Ducks DVM]

Who remembers a few years back when we had so Monday promising forward prospects that we HAD to trade some forwards to make space for them?

Yeah. Make the kids prove they’re NHL top 4 before they’re penciled in as our top 4.

Also, Verbeek is still on record as wanting to overbake prospects if possible. He’s not going to have 4 rookies or 2nd year players running the D.

 

[Ducks DVM]

It seems pretty clear that Cronin wants to try the Zegras-Carlsson-Terry line, and until Killorn returns, the 2nd line is working. That drops Henrique to the 3rd line. Silf is not being benched and they love him more than I do so he'll probably be on the 3rd as well.

Zegras-Carlsson-Terry
Vatrano-McTavish-Strome
Henrique-Groulx-Silf
Jones-Carrick-Leason

I really like 3 of those 4 lines.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Who remembers a few years back when we had so Monday promising forward prospects that we HAD to trade some forwards to make space for them?

Yeah. Make the kids prove they’re NHL top 4 before they’re penciled in as our top 4.

Also, Verbeek is still on record as wanting to overbake prospects if possible. He’s not going to have 4 rookies or 2nd year players running the D.

I don't remember trading forwards to make room for the youths. I just remember being injured a lot that we forced a lot of youths up to the NHL.

Back in the late teens, there was hype with forwards Ritchie, Kase, Terry, Steel, and the recently drafted Lundestrom. Ritchie bombed, Kase concussed, Steel lost his way, Terry took the scenic route to show up in the NHL, and Lundy has type casted himself as a 3C.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I don't remember trading forwards to make room for the youths. I just remember being injured a lot that we forced a lot of youths up to the NHL.

Back in the late teens, there was hype with forwards Ritchie, Kase, Terry, Steel, and the recently drafted Lundestrom. Ritchie bombed, Kase concussed, Steel lost his way, Terry took the scenic route to show up in the NHL, and Lundy has type casted himself as a 3C.

We didn’t. We had a bunch of posters who insisted we NEEDED to.

 

[ScarTroy]

I really like 3 of those 4 lines.

Once Killorn is back, I’d like 4 of those 4 lines to be honest. At least compared to what we’ve been icing the past years, that’s a lineup that can compete with most teams any given night if they are clicking.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

If that second line keeps humming where does killer go? That’s if the first line is good as well…

 

[Dirk316]

As expected just about every poster is removing Johnston from their preferred lineups

 

[GreatBear]

As expected just about every poster is removing Johnston from their preferred lineups

I would tend to rotate Johnston, so he plays again heavier teams, and someone else plays against smaller teams where protection is not as needed. I think that he contributes to the fourth line, but it will be harder to find ice time for every player in every game when the injured come back.

 

[Leonardo87]

As expected just about every poster is removing Johnston from their preferred lineups

Honestly would maybe sit Silf, and keep Johnston in, but being realistic he won’t be scratched given his tenure….but then again they did waive Rico a couple of years ago.


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[AngelDuck]

People are sleeping on Zellweger. I’m not saying call him up now…but he is going to force his way onto this roster at some point in the next calendar year (likely at training camp next year). The ducks are going to have to make room for him.

This is a dynamic offensive player who could be in the NHL right now on some teams

Or perhaps he’s used as trade bait to snag a forward and they keep Fowler. We shall see

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

As expected just about every poster is removing Johnston from their preferred lineups

I’m fine with Johnston groulx leason and carrick in the bottom 6…. As long as they arnt taking bad penalties or getting demolished every shift.

If they go out and set the tone, and play quality mins I’m all for it.

Hoping they can become a

Clutterbuck cizikas Martin lite line or at very least we can build our version of it

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

It's just that it all sounds like so much hyperbole. You would get better responses and maybe more people agreeing with you if you kept your comments in a more reasonable range.

"just on the team as a sentimental piece" taking this at face value you're basically saying he has 0 worth otherwise, you're giving him ice time because even though he brings 0 value you just...like him so much. I don't get the whole sentimental part unless you're insinuating it's the Samuelis that you're talking about and they have some kind of deeper love for him, since he has tenure being on their team...that tenured relationship isn't there with Verbeek or Cronin. That comment is just so overblown.

"cutting fat" meaning the more common phrase "trimming the fat"...because yeah he plays like an uncaring Comtois, or...unfortunately have to say it, Silf who IS trying and will always try, but by looks will likely be no better than ~ replacement level at any point during the rest of his career.

Dude, the guy still brings value. I DO get what I think your actual feeling here is...that he's not really doing anything others in our system probably won't be doing in a year or two (or maybe even now if you're fully convinced multiple guys are already panning out the way we all hope)...and do it better and/or for less money (at least temporarily). His contract really isn't that bad, we're not strapped for cash right now, his current contract comes off the books right about the same time we need to worry about new contracts for a bunch of important guys. So I could see trading him eventually, or not resigning him or whatever, but he's currently a piece that brings some positive value to the team in a variety of ways.

Sorry, honestly not trying to be rude, but it seems like half of your comments are like a broken record, and it would be nice to read some of your other thoughts than just slamming Fowler. I'm all for hearing peoples' thoughts, and I find a lot of them interesting, but I also like it when it brings honest discussion that's not just surface blah.

The discussion was fowler…. I talk plenty about other players and circumstances.

If he loses his spot on the power play… and we have good skating dmen in the line up like drysdale Mintyukov lacombe and not too distant future zellweger and luneau…. We’re prob going to have to make some tough decisions.

He’s fine for now like I said but after this year…. There’s a good chance he’s not a fit here. I take more of an issue to certain people who think he’ll retire a duck

People are sleeping on Zellweger. I’m not saying call him up now…but he is going to force his way onto this roster at some point in the next calendar year (likely at training camp next year). The ducks are going to have to make room for him.

This is a dynamic offensive player who could be in the NHL right now on some teams

Or perhaps he’s used as trade bait to snag a forward and they keep Fowler. We shall see

I agree, and maybe we do trade zellweger or lacombe and keep Fowler.

Luneau and zellweger are going to make PVs roster decisions very tough in the next year. And none of this includes guys like moore hinds and Warren.

 

[Gliff]

As expected just about every poster is removing Johnston from their preferred lineups

If you expected him to play every game then that's on you. He should play against heavier teams or teams with a heavyweight.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If you expected him to play every game then that's on you. He should play against heavier teams or teams with a heavyweight.

Pretty much this… against softer teams in the league carrick and gudas are deterrents enough

I’d love to say johnstons game is good enough to keep in every game but I have doubts

 

[McDonald19]

If you expected him to play every game then that's on you. He should play against heavier teams or teams with a heavyweight.

Why not? He has been solid so far and he fills a role. I’m not exactly sure what Silfverberg does nowadays.

 

[Gliff]

Why not? He has been solid so far and he fills a role. I’m not exactly sure what Silfverberg does nowadays.

I'm not saying Silfverberg should play on the 4th line either.

Johnston/Jones-Carrick-Leason/Jones
Leason and Johnston should rotate depending on the opponent.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

People are sleeping on Zellweger. I’m not saying call him up now…but he is going to force his way onto this roster at some point in the next calendar year (likely at training camp next year). The ducks are going to have to make room for him.

This is a dynamic offensive player who could be in the NHL right now on some teams

Or perhaps he’s used as trade bait to snag a forward and they keep Fowler. We shall see

Just like the Fowler discussion, this is completely premature.

We had the thinnest blueline in the league heading into the season. If he didn't make our roster, he's not making anyone else's.

He's not getting traded for a forward anytime soon either. We don't even know what he is yet.

 

[JAHV]

Why not? He has been solid so far and he fills a role. I’m not exactly sure what Silfverberg does nowadays.

Silf kills penalties, but otherwise doesn't do much, it's true. Johnston has the third worst xGF% on the team at 29% - he's solid in the sense that he's not a liquid or gas, but hasn't actually done much to help win either of the two hockey games.

I can see Johnston playing in a game where the other team has guys who like to punch so that his face can be there instead of a different player's. But he hasn't shown that he should be in the lineup full time when Killorn and Carlsson are healthy. Silf should probably be on the bench as well.

Rotate Silf and Johnston and Jones and Leason in those 4th line spots depending on the matchup or health concerns. If there's a line combination that seems to have chemistry, stick with it for a few games until it runs out of magic and then try a new one.

 

[darkwingduck]

While fans may not agree, I don't see how they could sit Silf in the final year of his deal when the team isn't threatening to compete just yet.

 

[Deuce22]

Unless you are still of the opinion that our D prospects aren't going to be NHL worthy, tough decisions are going to have to be made. As I stated earlier, either some of those guys are going to be traded, or Fowler needs to go. All the deflections are just ways of not dealing with the issue. Verbeek wants those guys to marinate, Fowler can play the right side, Fowler is a great mentor, etc. If Zellweger is tearing it up in SD, then what? It is never "too early" to think about roster construction. The smart are able to look down the road and plan. If you are willing to trade some of the prospects to keep a spot for Fowler as he declines, OK. If you are excited about Zellweger, Luneau, Warren, Hinds and others and want to keep them, be willing to look at things a bit differently. Most on here had Mintyukov spending the year in the AHL and Luneau not making the team. Talent will eventually win out over experience, especially in a rebuild.

 

[Dirk316]

If you expected him to play every game then that's on you. He should play against heavier teams or teams with a heavyweight.

Why are other teams dictating the type of game the team plays?

 

[Ducks DVM]

Why not? He has been solid so far and he fills a role. I’m not exactly sure what Silfverberg does nowadays.

He’s sloooooooow. If it’s not a team who he’s going to be needed for, he’s not terribly good at the whole hockey thing. Jones and Leason are considerably better at the hockey thing. Also, the team concept appears to be a group breakout with speed.

Don‘t get me wrong, I appreciate him, but I also see him as a bit too slow to be an 82 game player. Was very nice in person though.

 

[JAHV]

While fans may not agree, I don't see how they could sit Silf in the final year of his deal when the team isn't threatening to compete just yet.

I love and respect Silf for his time with the franchise. But he's just not a good hockey player any more. I expect he'll get plenty of time in the lineup simply for his leadership and PKing, but he's not an NHL-caliber player any more. The Ducks don't have many of those in the bottom 6, so it doesn't really hurt, but if there are other players playing well, he should be in the pressbox for 20 - 30 games this season.