2023-24 Roster Thread #9: Spring time is upon us

[Sombastate]

how does the lottery work again? Do the flyers have any chance of moving up? if so, how high

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

how does the lottery work again? Do the flyers have any chance of moving up? if so, how high

How does the NHL Draft Lottery work? Explaining the odds, rules for landing the No. 1 pick | Sporting News

The order of the first 16 picks of the 2024 NHL Draft will be determined Tuesday night at the draft lottery.

www.sportingnews.com

Flyers at #12 can move up winning lotto but not to #1 pick

One of the two new rules that have been implemented at the 2022 draft is that teams will be restricted from moving up more than 10 spots if they win one of the lottery draws. So whichever teams are slotted between No. 12-16 cannot get the No. 1 pick. If they do win either the No. 1 or No. 2 drawing, they will move up 10 spots in the order, but that is it.

 

[Sombastate]

How does the NHL Draft Lottery work? Explaining the odds, rules for landing the No. 1 pick | Sporting News

The order of the first 16 picks of the 2024 NHL Draft will be determined Tuesday night at the draft lottery.

www.sportingnews.com

Flyers at #12 can move up winning lotto but not to #1 pick

would be pretty sweet to have Demidov and Michkov. But honestly would rather move up just high enough to get Catton

 

[Starat327]

Hey @Chinatown88 choccy milk cheers to another nhl seaaon with no Flyers games watched?

 

[Chinatown88]

Hey @Chinatown88 choccy milk cheers to another nhl seaaon with no Flyers games watched?

 

[VladDrag]

Final forward scoring totals...Remember, all the points are written as a per 82 game played season. Only 3 forwards played all 82, Hathaway, Farabee and Laughton.

I added my rankings and a few notes on each player. The rankings are based on my opinion relative to my overall expectations for each player. For example, I gave Tippett an A, but if TK had the season Tippett had, it would be a C-.

Player	5v5TOI/Game	Goals	Assists	Points	Sh%	on-ice Sh%	+/- from Projections	Ranking	Notes
Ryan Poehling	12.15​	12	18	30	9.91	7.82	150%	B-	Good season for Poehling. Set a career high in points. Provided a good center option for the bottom of the lineup. Somewhat underrated offensive game.
Owen Tippett	12.98​	29	26	55	9.69	8.62	131%	A	Tippett was awesome this year. I don't know how he gets much better than what he was this season. Lead the team in 5v5 per min scoring. Still has limitations, but basically he was as good as he could be.
Scott Laughton	11.87​	13	26	39	7.78	9.35	130%	D	Really good production numbers for him, but everything else was terrible. Had a stretch of scoring around the middle of the year, where otherwise this would have been an F. Not a great season from Laughton IMO.
Tyson Foerster	13.95​	22	14	36	11.98	9.47	109%	B+	More on the rookies in another post - very good season from Foerster.
Joel Farabee	13.31​	22	28	50	12.09	8.21	100%	B	I went back and forth on Farabee's ranking. He didn't have a great finish to the season, but all in all, he bounced back from a bad season pretty well. His usage was odd, despite being one of the 5v5 scoring leaders throughout the season, he never really had a consistent linemates/center.
Travis Konecny	14.20​	36	38	74	13.47	9.69	90%	B+	The only legit top line player on the team - performed liked it. Carried the team on his back lots of times. I still think he's a point per game player with another top-line player.
Garnet Hathaway	10.65​	7	10	17	6.8	7.51	85%	B	Another strong season for Hathaway. I don't like that he has a bit of a dirty side to him, but he's a very good depth winger who continues to produce quality results.
Sean Couturier	13.28​	12	30	42	5.73	8.99	84%	C	Didn't finish the season strong, but also played with some really bad linemates over the last 30ish games. This season was always about health, so in that regard it's a win.
Bobby Brink	11.27​	16	17	33	13.58	8.57	83%	C+	More on the rookies in another post - Brink had some positive moments, but need more from him.
Morgan Frost	12.40​	15	32	47	9.63	8.14	76%	B-	Despite a poor start and finish to the seaon, Frost finished with a decent point production season. He did so providing quality defense and tilting the ice in the favor of the Flyers more often than not. I still think, given the right conditions (and not with this coach) he could flirt with 60 points.
Cam Atkinson	11.85​	15	18	33	7.47	7.44	73%	D-	Much worse than his stats suggested. Cam's season was about health just like Coots, but it was clear early in the season that Atkinson lost a step…But we get to watch him for one more season.
Noah Cates	11.12​	8	17	25	7.69	6.65	71%	B	He looks much more comfortable on the wing. He is what everyone thought Laughton was when he came into the league.
Nicolas Deslauriers	8.02​	1	4	5	2.04	4.43		F	Even for Delo, this season was rough….Two more years.

 

[GKJ]

We did not have a center score more than 13 goals. That is pathetic. The Flyers will be bottom 10 if that happens again.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

We did not have a center score more than 13 goals. That is pathetic. The Flyers will be bottom 10 if that happens again.

Considering how bad some of the contracts are, how I don't trust Briere to actually make a good trade to make cap space, and how there is a lack of centers in the pipeline other than Michkov, yeah, Flyers are def going to be in the race for top 5 next year.

Also, did you notice that Rocky is STILL with the team?

 

[GKJ]

Considering how bad some of the contracts are, how I don't trust Briere to actually make a good trade to make cap space, and how there is a lack of centers in the pipeline other than Michkov, yeah, Flyers are def going to be in the race for top 5 next year.

Also, did you notice that Rocky is STILL with the team?

Michkov isn’t even a center, he has to be converted into one.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Michkov isn’t even a center, he has to be converted into one.

Didn't he want to play center as is? I know he was drafted as a RWer, but still.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Management's plan was to lie about rebuilding, make the playoffs, and smugly bask in adoration at being so far ahead of schedule. It is a shame there will be no self-reflection or learning from their humiliation. They definitely have no idea what went wrong. They likely agree with everything Tortorella has done, and they are so full of themselves they cannot consider that they f***ed up. So they're going to blame the players. As always. And the fact that management got embarrassed like this means they'll be vengeful.

It is probable that they will seek to do some really dumb stuff with purges. And also continuing into Year 13 of their Cultural Revolution, where so far the only thing they've mastered is Struggle Sessions. I haven't looked to see what Culture Guys are available yet. I bet the one linkage they make is "Walker was the key." Their new Niskanen, except this time they have the ability to make him come back by casting a spell called Terrible Contract.

Next year is going to be worse. Prepare yourselves! Preparation is a positive activity. And my warning here is positive because it lets you prepare.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Lightning won't strike twice. This team will be legit awful next season. And Torts and the "everything is fine and our farts don't smell" management will be right at the wheel for all of it.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Additionally, because they kept the committee that made this roster, the roster is filled with players they think are good but are not. They have blindness to the problems. They don't know how to fix the issues they've made. That's why it was such a disaster to keep the same management group intact. There was essentially no "fresh set of eyes comes in and evaluates" period. Aside from Tortorella getting rid of guys he personally hates.

 

[Curufinwe]

Lightning won't strike twice. This team will be legit awful next season. And Torts and the "everything is fine and our farts don't smell" management will be right at the wheel for all of it.

They went from 26th to 21st, so maybe 23rd or 24th next season.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

So how many buyouts this summer?

 

[Danko]

For the love of God, can we fire Rocky. Can we please improve the powerplay in any way.

So how many buyouts this summer?

No idea how many they have available buy Atkinson, Johansen and Peterson are contenders

 

[wankstifier]

What slop are they getting for Frost?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Final forward scoring totals...Remember, all the points are written as a per 82 game played season. Only 3 forwards played all 82, Hathaway, Farabee and Laughton.

I added my rankings and a few notes on each player. The rankings are based on my opinion relative to my overall expectations for each player. For example, I gave Tippett an A, but if TK had the season Tippett had, it would be a C-.

Player	5v5TOI/Game	Goals	Assists	Points	Sh%	on-ice Sh%	+/- from Projections	Ranking	Notes
Ryan Poehling	12.15​	12	18	30	9.91	7.82	150%	B-	Good season for Poehling. Set a career high in points. Provided a good center option for the bottom of the lineup. Somewhat underrated offensive game.
Owen Tippett	12.98​	29	26	55	9.69	8.62	131%	A	Tippett was awesome this year. I don't know how he gets much better than what he was this season. Lead the team in 5v5 per min scoring. Still has limitations, but basically he was as good as he could be.
Scott Laughton	11.87​	13	26	39	7.78	9.35	130%	D	Really good production numbers for him, but everything else was terrible. Had a stretch of scoring around the middle of the year, where otherwise this would have been an F. Not a great season from Laughton IMO.
Tyson Foerster	13.95​	22	14	36	11.98	9.47	109%	B+	More on the rookies in another post - very good season from Foerster.
Joel Farabee	13.31​	22	28	50	12.09	8.21	100%	B	I went back and forth on Farabee's ranking. He didn't have a great finish to the season, but all in all, he bounced back from a bad season pretty well. His usage was odd, despite being one of the 5v5 scoring leaders throughout the season, he never really had a consistent linemates/center.
Travis Konecny	14.20​	36	38	74	13.47	9.69	90%	B+	The only legit top line player on the team - performed liked it. Carried the team on his back lots of times. I still think he's a point per game player with another top-line player.
Garnet Hathaway	10.65​	7	10	17	6.8	7.51	85%	B	Another strong season for Hathaway. I don't like that he has a bit of a dirty side to him, but he's a very good depth winger who continues to produce quality results.
Sean Couturier	13.28​	12	30	42	5.73	8.99	84%	C	Didn't finish the season strong, but also played with some really bad linemates over the last 30ish games. This season was always about health, so in that regard it's a win.
Bobby Brink	11.27​	16	17	33	13.58	8.57	83%	C+	More on the rookies in another post - Brink had some positive moments, but need more from him.
Morgan Frost	12.40​	15	32	47	9.63	8.14	76%	B-	Despite a poor start and finish to the seaon, Frost finished with a decent point production season. He did so providing quality defense and tilting the ice in the favor of the Flyers more often than not. I still think, given the right conditions (and not with this coach) he could flirt with 60 points.
Cam Atkinson	11.85​	15	18	33	7.47	7.44	73%	D-	Much worse than his stats suggested. Cam's season was about health just like Coots, but it was clear early in the season that Atkinson lost a step…But we get to watch him for one more season.
Noah Cates	11.12​	8	17	25	7.69	6.65	71%	B	He looks much more comfortable on the wing. He is what everyone thought Laughton was when he came into the league.
Nicolas Deslauriers	8.02​	1	4	5	2.04	4.43		F	Even for Delo, this season was rough….Two more years.

yo i didn't see this - but i just made a thread for grades - would love to see you add your thoughts. Love reading your posts.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Wonder how this shall we say stagnant organization, if it will have any effect on MM and what he may decide to do?

How they can't see Torts will not attract any players is beyond me

 

[Danko]

So realistically what do they do with Atkinson? Hang on to him and hope he improves? Like he has a M-NTC. Only thing that would make sense is if they move him back to CBJ but i doubt that happens and at what cost. They gonna just roll with RyJo in minors?

 

[GKJ]

So realistically what do they do with Atkinson? Hang on to him and hope he improves? Like he has a M-NTC. Only thing that would make sense is if they move him back to CBJ but i doubt that happens and at what cost. They gonna just roll with RyJo in minors?

Between them and Petersen, likely looking at buyouts. Just depends on if they want to stomach having so many buyouts on their cap. They didn’t with Hayes when they should have.

But people want to compare them to the Rangers, and they didn’t have a problem with it.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Does Johansen need to be healthy to be bought out? Or can he fake his injury through that as well and flyers get to ltir his cap hit?

 

[ajgoal]

Does Johansen need to be healthy to be bought out?

Yes

 

[blackjackmulligan]

So realistically what do they do with Atkinson? Hang on to him and hope he improves? Like he has a M-NTC. Only thing that would make sense is if they move him back to CBJ but i doubt that happens and at what cost. They gonna just roll with RyJo in minors?

keep him and ride it out. real simple. I have no issue seeing what he can do after a summer of rest.