2023-24 Roster Thread #8: A Cam York State of Mind

[Beef Invictus]

The authentics are already claiming Couturier is another pampered core member from the Giroux era.

Quite a chunk of the fanbase deserves this team and what they'll be.

Wonder when they'll ask who the common denominators are in all these "pampered" players, from McCrimmon to Lindros to Richards/Carter to Giroux to Couturier to Hayes and Provorov, and Gauthier to, inevitably, Michkov.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The authentics are already claiming Couturier is another pampered core member from the Giroux era.

And comparing him to Hayes, it's all starting to burn down !!

 

[iceman42]

Let's see how they blame Gauthier and Hayes for this

Well it does have their fingerprints all over it .. lol

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The authentics are already claiming Couturier is another pampered core member from the Giroux era.

#likeclockwork

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Torts better watch it

That's Briere's former ward he's messing with

 

[usahockey22flyers]

As much as I’m team Coots, agents shouldn’t be involved or putting out statements. That’s absolutely not necessary.

 

[Beef Invictus]

As much as I’m team Coots, agents shouldn’t be involved or putting out statements. That’s absolutely not necessary.

When Tortorella is involved it is. This is not a fair or rational guy. Players need to advocate for themselves or he will try to destroy their career.

 

[bleachdrinker]

Messing around in CapFriendly and learned that Cal Peterson is the leader in cost per save for the second season in a row, being given a little more than $33k for every save he’s made since last season. Pretty cool!

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Messing around in CapFriendly and learned that Cal Peterson is the leader in cost per save for the second season in a row, being given a little more than $33k for every save he’s made since last season. Pretty cool!

What a great gig. Still not as sweet at Bryz's deal. Would love to be bought out of a contract like his!

 

[BrindamoursNose]

As much as I’m team Coots, agents shouldn’t be involved or putting out statements. That’s absolutely not necessary.

I mean that's definitely their job though

 

[JojoTheWhale]

That is exactly their job. They don't just negotiate contracts. I don't know why every conversation about agents turns weird.

 

[FlyerNutter]

It’s almost as if Cutter Gauthier made a smart move to get away from this shithole of an organization.

I’d love to have seen this organization with Slafkovsky. Kid would be ruined in Philly.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

That is exactly their job. They don't just negotiate contracts. I don't know why every conversation about agents turns weird.

For sure. I'm surprised people lose sight of that.

It's actually very Tortorella-centered thinking to believe that agents don't have a place in this sort of a situation.

 

[BritainStix]

It’s almost as if Cutter Gauthier made a smart move to get away from this shithole of an organization.

I’d love to have seen this organization with Slafkovsky. Kid would be ruined in Philly.

Why are you here?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Why are you here?

Its therapeutic to shit on them, and get a few laughs from some others who do so.

Yourself?

 

[flyersnorth]

It's an interesting situation.

I don't disagree with what the agent is saying, or that Coots is pissed at being scratched.

With the agent coming out, it does feel a bit like calling dad when things don't go your way. Coots is not entitled to play every night. I think he absolutely should be playing every night. But I'm not the coach, and he doesn't have that right.

I'm also 100% aware that scratching the captain and longest serving player is a fast-track to ending a coach's tenure.

For all of Torts' claims that he communicates with his players, the view from the other side is that he doesn't communicate at all. Maybe he's having all these conversations in his head.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Going back to before, I think the fact that Couts, let alone his agent, said anything remotely close to this should be telling about how much this feels out of line or bullshit. Couts has always been the quiet/silent type with the media about this kind of stuff and would lead the team internally. To express this outward, to the point of even his agent getting involved, says there is more here than we know and it's gonna be ugly.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

It’s almost as if Cutter Gauthier made a smart move to get away from this shithole of an organization.

I’d love to have seen this organization with Slafkovsky. Kid would be ruined in Philly.

wait till Michkov disaster starts..

it wont take long

 

[FLYguy3911]

They are going to alienate every agent over time. All to satisfy a coach most likely on his way out of the league.

 

[Starat327]

They are going to alienate every agent over time. All to satisfy a coach most likely on his way out of the league.

Funny that you think Torts isn't casually strolling into the Flyers retirement home in a new position once he's done coaching (did he ever start?).

 

[flyersnorth]

Going back to before, I think the fact that Couts, let alone his agent, said anything remotely close to this should be telling about how much this feels out of line or bullshit. Couts has always been the quiet/silent type with the media about this kind of stuff and would lead the team internally. To express this outward, to the point of even his agent getting involved, says there is more here than we know and it's gonna be ugly.

The whole aftermath could probably easily be avoided by Torts saying something like "Listen, you're the captain and leader of this team. I need more from you down this stretch, so I'm going to sit you for one night. It's not a punishment; it's just to give you a night off and a chance to reset."

Just some kind of honest conversation with context.

I agree with you - the fact that both Coots and the agent spoke out so strongly suggests it's not a good situation.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

They are going to alienate every agent over time. All to satisfy a coach most likely on his way out of the league.

I'm surprised you don't think he's headed for the front office in some form. Or does that sufficiently insulate him from dealing with agents?

 

[GKJ]

 

[renberg]

Guys such as Burnside are idiots looking for clicks. The long term matters more than a single game or making the POs. Lizard Brain doing Jedi games on Couturier clearly shows to the players how Tortorella can’t be trusted. He’ll pat you on the back one game and stab you there the next. That’s not effective coaching or good for the organization long term.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

In the last 10 games, he's been a part of 34 different line combinations (at least a minute of TOI together). Like... how the f*** is he supposed to gel with anyone if it always means he has someone new on his line each time he's out there.

For comparison, someone like Elias Lindholm, who is generally considered (at least at one point) to be a two-way forward, but is struggling this year, has only been a part of 24 different line combos in the last 10 games. Dubois is another struggling center and he only has 27 different lines.

Not only is he bouncing around a lot, but being places often with bad wingers kills anything good he has.