JojoTheWhale
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2023-24 Roster Thread #8: A Cam York State of Mind
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Congrats. You’re a better GM than a hockey lifer.
Striiker
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COULD IT HAVE BEEN THE BEST DEFENSEMEN IN FLYERS HISTORY, SHAYNE GOSTISBEHERE@Striiker I was listening to the Evolving Hockey podcast today. They were talking about the most value added over Expected for Shots by Defensemen over the last 3 seasons.
1. Makar, not a surprise.
2. Carlson ditto.
3. ????
4. Josi
Any guesses on who might have been #3?
freakydallas13
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I don't know what spurred this memory, but remember before Ghost made the NHL roster, some reporter asked Ed Snider what he thought about the idea of Ghost needing to put on weight before playing in the NHL, and Ed's response was something along the lines of "you don't want to weigh down your Ferrari"?
I wish this team listened to him.
I wish this team listened to him.
TheKingPin
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Could be but I think this is expected. He missed all of last year. I expected him to come in hot and then take some steps back. If they make the playoffs he will be better as the rest of the year goes on and next year imo.
BlackandOrange
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I think Couts is pulling the Wayne Train special trying to play through a slew of injuries while their game severely suffers and their body breaks down.
A wild idea would have been 2nd line minutes or even 3rd starting the season. Immediate first line plus special teams may have been ambitious.
A wild idea would have been 2nd line minutes or even 3rd starting the season. Immediate first line plus special teams may have been ambitious.
BritainStix
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Any news on the recovery times of Seeler, Risto and Drysdale? We badly need them back.
FlyerNutter
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Drysdale for Gauthier.
What moron honestly signed off on that. Threw a 5th pick down the garbage chute.
What moron honestly signed off on that. Threw a 5th pick down the garbage chute.
Flyerfan4life
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basicly a Flyers tradition to accept other teams broken toys...
BrindamoursNose
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@Striiker I was listening to the Evolving Hockey podcast today. They were talking about the most value added over Expected for Shots by Defensemen over the last 3 seasons.
1. Makar, not a surprise.
2. Carlson ditto.
3. ????
4. Josi
Any guesses on who might have been #3?
Everyone can see it except them
I hate this organization
wankstifier
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Curufinwe
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They don't seem that similar apart from the number of letters in their last names
Idk. There were a lot of Flyers fans who hated Ghost.
Never understood it. He was a special player and prob the most pure talent in a Flyers draft pick since G.
Amorgus
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They hated him because they were TOLD to hate him by the powers that be for daring to even HINT that the Emperors had no clothes.
usahockey22flyers
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As much as I want to kill the Flyers for this - I just don't know how much blame they actually deserve...we only know of two other scenarios that were discussed
1. Cutter for Bo Byram - Avs said Flyers had to add (EF)
2. Cutter for the 2023 5th overall pick to select David Reinbacher and to assure Michkov falls to the Flyers at 7 (CO'C)
To me, Jamie looked decent in his time here, thought he looks like a decent 3, with a ceiling of a 2...Really liked his influence on the PP early, but then it faded.
Just not sure if he ever becomes a 1.
FlyerNutter
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If Byram was on the table, and they didn’t add to make that happen it was foolish.
Colorado could have flipped Cutter to another team if they wanted immediate help to fill 2C, or the Flyers could have added in with Cutter (Walker, etc)
Byram has had injuries as well no doubt, but to trade a 5OA for a guy that can’t stay healthy as frequently as Drysdale was stupid.
They got killed on that trade.
Drysdale had played 35 games in the last 3 seasons, with no sign of the injuries settling down. You can’t move a 5OA for a player like that.
Moronic trade, and they deserved to be torched for it. It’s the biggest blunder by Briere so far. They basically willingly drafted another Patrick knowing full well Drysdale’s injury history.
renberg
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Gauthier’s value to the Flyers was not that great once he showed that he couldn’t and wouldn’t play center. As a wing, he’d be behind TK, Tippett, Farabee and it’s looking like Foerster as well. In other words a third line player. Toss in a potential bad attitude and getting Drysdale and a second is not a bad swap
Random Forest
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Drysdale and Byram have played virtually the same number of games in the league with Drysdale being a year younger and both of them starting in the 2020-21 season. Zero doubt in my mind you’d have been trashing a Gauthier for Byram trade. And even less doubt that you’d have freaked out if they added to Gauthier in order to get Byram.
mr figgles
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Byram’s injury history is pretty extensive too. If those were their options, I can see why they went with Drysdale+ for Gauthier vs adding to Gauthier for Byram.
FlyerNutter
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I strongly doubt the Flyers would have seen Gauthier as a 3rd line player if he didn’t dare to question the great Flyer management group. Which is clearly was smart to do.
The writing on the wall is not good relating to Drysdale’s health, and durability. That may change, which I doubt - but I’ll leave that door a tiny bit open.
As of now they would have been better to move him for anyone able to lace up the skates without their body falling apart.
They wanted a simple 1-1 deal, with a player they could immediately sell to the fanbase. It was an asinine trade to make. Especially after what the old guard saw first hand with Patrick/Ellis, and hell even Couturier.
A fourth for a waste of space in Johnson is bad. Throwing a top 5 pick away for nothing.
The writing on the wall is not good relating to Drysdale’s health, and durability. That may change, which I doubt - but I’ll leave that door a tiny bit open.
As of now they would have been better to move him for anyone able to lace up the skates without their body falling apart.
They wanted a simple 1-1 deal, with a player they could immediately sell to the fanbase. It was an asinine trade to make. Especially after what the old guard saw first hand with Patrick/Ellis, and hell even Couturier.
A fourth for a waste of space in Johnson is bad. Throwing a top 5 pick away for nothing.
JojoTheWhale
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None of this is wrong, but it is incomplete in ways that matter. Which picks after 5 last year were available for him? Which picks this year would have been? And most importantly, who would have been selected at those slots? Let’s say the draft goes as it did 1-7. If Zach Benson is the next guy on your board, every pick from 8-13 is worth exactly Zach Benson, not the average 8th or 11th overall. This is where the individual player matters most.
Drysdale has NHL skills. That removes a lot of risk. But he is overwhelmingly likely to not have meaningful high end outcomes at this point. In essence, the player is secondary to why the org thought this was the best they could do. That’s the concerning bit. It feels like they’re getting the big stuff wrong in ways that won’t manifest for years. It has a familiar ring to it.
FlyerNutter
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We are discussing Byram as he was the other name mentioned. I’m most sure there were zero other options out there for this genius management group.
To stay on topic: 102 vs 35. Byram’s concussion issues are valid but the player seems to be on an upward trend post that in terms of games missed. Drysdale?
When is the next alumni celebration night?
Was going to say exactly this. It’s not like Byram has had an injury free early career. And with something far more nebulous.
Random Forest
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The only Gauthier option I’ll criticize them for not pursuing further is a top 12 pick in this upcoming draft where there are 5-6 defenders who likely have higher ceilings than Drysdale. Everything else is just bellyaching for the sake of it and assuming there was some fantastical alternative that would have been so much better.
But those picks are insanely hard to acquire, and there’s honestly no guarantee they could have even returned that.
“Trading Gauthier for Byram is asinine. He’s always concussed. Did they learn nothing from Nolan Patrick? And they ADDED a 2nd for him? You can’t tell me there wasn’t another option straight up. At least Drysdale doesn’t have brain issues. Morons.”
But those picks are insanely hard to acquire, and there’s honestly no guarantee they could have even returned that.
Posts from the alternate universe where they traded Gauthier + 2nd for Byram:
“Trading Gauthier for Byram is asinine. He’s always concussed. Did they learn nothing from Nolan Patrick? And they ADDED a 2nd for him? You can’t tell me there wasn’t another option straight up. At least Drysdale doesn’t have brain issues. Morons.”
VladDrag
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How do you know those are/where the only other options?
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