2023-24 Roster Thread #8: A Cam York State of Mind

[blackjackmulligan]

PHLY: You mentioned the need for high-end talent. I know from the start – from your very first press conference as interim GM – you made it clear that this was a rebuild, not a tank. But there is an argument to be made that if high-end talent is the biggest need, the best and most efficient way to get it is to draft high. You guys are looking like you’re a lot better than expected – you’re not necessarily looking like you’re going to draft high. How do you get that high-end talent without drafting in the top-10?

"Well, we did draft high the last two years. So that would be the start of it. But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.

That’s kind of what we’re doing. You see it up front with some of our young guys kind of starting to come. We have so many young guys. Probably won’t have to pay the $12 million (for a guy), but we’ll pay to have the depth and be able to match Line 1 to 4 with teams."

An interview with Flyers general manager Daniel Briere: "We're still in the (rebuild) stage" - PHLY Sports

The Flyers may be rolling right now. But according to GM Daniel Briere, that doesn't mean they're changing course.

allphly.com

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I do not think he is saying that is all the elite talent they need. Not how I am reading it. Thanks for the link

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't understand how we're sitting here talking about how it's blanketly foolish to trade anyone in this org short of Michkov. Not every trade even has to be vets for picks or vice versa.

The inability to make difficult trades is one of the defining factors of the orgs getting left in the dust.

 

[Magua]

I do not think he is saying that is all the elite talent they need.

Well, saying they won't be built with 3-4 high end guys like Colorado is in the Flyers Hall of Fame of dumb arrogant quotes. That quote will make a heartfelt speech during a pregame ceremony 15 years from now.

No, he isn't saying that's all they need. But he alluded to not picking that high again, despite the highest selected player (who wasn't even elite) saying he'll never play for the Flyers. And importantly, he isn't outlining any sort of path other than using prayer beads. They don't even desire to spend money on elite talent, with that arbitrary $12MM line, which means diddly-squat as the cap grows.

 

[freakydallas13]

Well, saying they won't be built with 3-4 high end guys like Colorado is in the Flyers Hall of Fame of dumb arrogant quotes. That quote will make a heartfelt speech during a pregame ceremony 15 years from now.

No, he isn't saying that's all they need. But he alluded to not picking that high again, despite the highest selected player (who wasn't even elite) saying he'll never play for the Flyers. And importantly, he isn't outlining any sort of path other than using prayer beads. They don't even desire to spend money on elite talent, with that arbitrary $12MM line, which means diddly-squat as the cap grows.

It's a great non-answer, because all his response says is "we're not getting more elite talent sans who we have already drafted".

Also thank you for remembering which interview it was, because I wouldn't have been able to

 

[scumpup]

it's so funny how many times Laughton could have been moved for a first. It's like the universe keeps giving them chances to get value out of him, but theyre so attached to him because he can "play up and down the lineup" (he can't).

 

[deadhead]

I don't understand how we're sitting here talking about how it's blanketly foolish to trade anyone in this org short of Michkov. Not every trade even has to be vets for picks or vice versa.

The inability to make difficult trades is one of the defining factors of the orgs getting left in the dust.

Vegas did just fine trading for veterans.
You stockpile assets, then target players who fill needs who fit your timeline.

Would anyone be unhappy if we emulated Carolina, with a better goalie pipeline?

In the end, it comes down to scouting and a GM who knows what he's doing, without that you can tank for a decade and be Buffalo.

 

[freakydallas13]

Vegas did just fine trading for veterans.
You stockpile assets, then target players who fill needs who fit your timeline.

Would anyone be unhappy if we emulated Carolina, with a better goalie pipeline?

In the end, it comes down to scouting and a GM who knows what he's doing, without that you can tank for a decade and be Buffalo.

Vegas decided putting a package together for Eichel was a good move.

This team decided putting a package together for Risto was a good move.

 

[GKJ]

Same people who falsely equate trying to draft high-end talent to tanking are same people who use false equivalency to point to teams that have been bad for 10 years as evidence that it doesn’t work as if the Flyers haven’t been just as irrelevant for the same amount of time, failing to accurately identify incompetence.

 

[freakydallas13]

Same people who falsely equate trying to draft high-end talent to tanking are same people who use false equivalency to point to teams that have been bad for 10 years as evidence that it doesn’t work as if the Flyers haven’t been just as irrelevant for the same amount of time, failing to accurately identify incompetence.

This team is way more likely to be the next Calgary than it is the next Carolina.

 

[GKJ]

This team is way more likely to be the next Calgary than it is the next Carolina.

Same model as the Blues, that’s who they aspire to. They saw Craig Berube win and decided that they were always right and not that a goalie that they had quite clearly given up on went on a heater.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Cool. Wake me up in 2047 when they've managed to package up enough third round picks into a 1C.

Not what I said but whatever man

 

[CerpinTaxt]

yah they can package and lose even more value..

#Culture....

Guess we will see what kind of negotiator Danny B is. Fletch absolutely lost value over and over

 

[deadhead]

Vegas decided putting a package together for Eichel was a good move.

This team decided putting a package together for Risto was a good move.

Fletcher decided, not "the team."

There is no such thing, there are decision makers, we had three bad ones in a row, in Holmgren, Hextall and Fletcher.

Either Briere can make good trades or he can't. What his predecessors did has no predictive value.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So now Fletcher decided that and not the “team?”

I thought it was a collaborative effort and Chuck was just following orders so he was blameless.

 

[deadhead]

Same people who falsely equate trying to draft high-end talent to tanking are same people who use false equivalency to point to teams that have been bad for 10 years as evidence that it doesn’t work as if the Flyers haven’t been just as irrelevant for the same amount of time, failing to accurately identify incompetence.

How do get in position to draft high-end talent without tanking unless you have superior scouts and a GM? And the only way to know if they've built that kind of organization will be hindsight.

The Flyers actually haven't been a horrible drafting team, they've found G (#22), TK (#24), Sanheim (#17), Brink (#35), Hart (#48), Ersson 5th rd, Cates 5th rd, etc.. They just never committed to building a team through the draft. Hextall started, then stopped. Holmgren never tried, Fletcher was worse.

We'll see, Briere has to draft better, last season looks like a good start, accumulate draft picks, so far so good, He has 19 picks the next two drafts, including (3) 1sts, (4) 2nds. I'd like to see him pick up 2-3 more picks in the top 3 rounds at the TDL.

Then it comes down to development, they've invested in facilities and coaching staff, now they have to deliver the goods.

So now Fletcher decided that and not the “team?”

I thought it was a collaborative effort and Chuck was just following orders.

The first year Holmgren ran the show, the last year Fletcher jumped the shark.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I am howling at the immediate shift to Ersson being a totem of prosperity.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I am howling at the immediate shift to Ersson being a totem of prosperity.

After all, historically the Flyers are known for developing goalies.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

After all, historically the Flyers are known for developing goalies.

Excuse me? Is the lack of sleep winning?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Excuse me? Is the lack of sleep winning?

It’s in this very thread.

It’s actually the one thing they do well historically at.

 

[freakydallas13]

Fletcher decided, not "the team."

There is no such thing, there are decision makers, we had three bad ones in a row, in Holmgren, Hextall and Fletcher.

Either Briere can make good trades or he can't. What his predecessors did has no predictive value.

Good thing Briere got rid of all the advisers and the assistant Gm that were all here for the Fletcher years then.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It’s in this very thread.

It’s actually the one thing they do well historically at.

 

[ponder719]

After all, historically the Flyers are known for developing goalies.

You misspelled "destroying".

 

[Beef Invictus]

PHLY: You mentioned the need for high-end talent. I know from the start – from your very first press conference as interim GM – you made it clear that this was a rebuild, not a tank. But there is an argument to be made that if high-end talent is the biggest need, the best and most efficient way to get it is to draft high. You guys are looking like you’re a lot better than expected – you’re not necessarily looking like you’re going to draft high. How do you get that high-end talent without drafting in the top-10?

"Well, we did draft high the last two years. So that would be the start of it. But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.

That’s kind of what we’re doing. You see it up front with some of our young guys kind of starting to come. We have so many young guys. Probably won’t have to pay the $12 million (for a guy), but we’ll pay to have the depth and be able to match Line 1 to 4 with teams."

An interview with Flyers general manager Daniel Briere: "We're still in the (rebuild) stage" - PHLY Sports

The Flyers may be rolling right now. But according to GM Daniel Briere, that doesn't mean they're changing course.

allphly.com

***************

Having that talent is how you build the depth they imagine.

They still think talent is bad and to be minimized and honest grinding is all you need.


It's such a courageous approach!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Vegas did just fine trading for veterans.
You stockpile assets, then target players who fill needs who fit your timeline.

Would anyone be unhappy if we emulated Carolina, with a better goalie pipeline?

In the end, it comes down to scouting and a GM who knows what he's doing, without that you can tank for a decade and be Buffalo.

The Flyers aren't Vegas.

They are something else unique. Just like Vancouver and Columbus are unique.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You misspelled "destroying".

I did no such thing. I was quoting someone.