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2023-24 Roster Thread #7: A shave and a haircut, two bits

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How many total points will the 2023-24 Flyers compile at the end of the season?

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Appleyard said:
Kolosov is coming this year...


should be over once his KHL year is done. Mid March.
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Very nice, Ty. Just read that fedotov signed a 2 year deal. What’s your outlook on our goalie situation? Errson, kolosov, and eventually if fedotov comes. I’m assuming it’ll be ersson and kolosov battling it out?
 
Beef Invictus said:
The time was last summer to sell everything for every pick and prospect you could get, suffer through whatever comes this year, reap the increased chances of draft success, and have the entire roster on the same page for Michkov's career.
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I've said this to you before, but can show me an example of a team that has executed a similar "sell everything" strategy inside a single offseason?

It's a wonderful idea in theory. Much more difficult (impossible) to execute in practice unless you truly just want to dump quality players for nothing. There's usually a very limited number of contenders willing to put their first round picks in play. Once you sell one of your assets to that team, it means they're likely out on your other assets. Especially in the cap-strapped world most contenders are living in post-COVID.

We already know Danny tried to sell on Sanheim. He was gonna get a first for him, but Krug stopped the trade from happening. Sanheim has been regressing a bit from his excellent start to the year, but his value is probably still higher now than it was this offseason. I'm happy he's still here. I know you are too because you've clowned Danny and Jonesy for trying to dump him a couple times... But the tanking efforts would be a lot be a lot stronger if we were without our de-facto #1D.

It's now come out that Danny also tried to trade our (former) franchise goaltender and there were no takers. He was then told to prepare to be without Hart to start the year and presumably for the entire year while this legal process plays out. Sadly, that got pushed back to essentially mid-season. If you replace all those Carter Hart starts with either a more tired Ersson or a 50/50 split w/ Cal Petersen, odds are we'd be a lot further down the standings. We're currently winless since the news broke.

To me, it seems like Danny had/has a plan. Perhaps not exactly in line with your highly theoretical "sell everything" master plan, but still a solid plan. Some unfortunate circumstances out of his control altered that plan and then some positive circumstances (young players driving the team to overachieve) altered it even further and now he needs to adapt. But he hit a home run with the Provorov deal. He was able to pluck Rizzo for the pile of shit that is TDA. I have no reason yet to doubt DB. His first trade deadline is critical though.
 
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It's certainly a lot easier to sell your players when they are all overachieving too.

I can't imagine there were many prospective buyers last year for our players.

If we could sell who we wanted to sell, I don't think this team takes as big a dip as people think.

Farabee - Couturier - Konecny
Brink - Frost - Tippet
Cates - Poehling - Foerster
Lycksell - Laczynski - Deslauriers

Sanheim - York
Zamula - Drysdale
Andrae - Attard

Lost -
Atkinson - 3rd
Laughton - 2nd
Seeler - 2nd
Walker - 1st
Hathaway - 3rd
 
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FromOyVey2Matvei said:
I've said this to you before, but can show me an example of a team that has executed a similar "sell everything" strategy inside a single offseason?

It's a wonderful idea in theory. Much more difficult (impossible) to execute in practice unless you truly just want to dump quality players for nothing. There's usually a very limited number of contenders willing to put their first round picks in play. Once you sell one of your assets to that team, it means they're likely out on your other assets. Especially in the cap-strapped world most contenders are living in post-COVID.

We already know Danny tried to sell on Sanheim. He was gonna get a first for him, but Krug stopped the trade from happening. Sanheim has been regressing a bit from his excellent start to the year, but his value is probably still higher now than it was this offseason. I'm happy he's still here. I know you are too because you've clowned Danny and Jonesy for trying to dump him a couple times... But the tanking efforts would be a lot be a lot stronger if we were without our de-facto #1D.

It's now come out that Danny also tried to trade our (former) franchise goaltender and there were no takers. He was then told to prepare to be without Hart to start the year and presumably for the entire year while this legal process plays out. Sadly, that got pushed back to essentially mid-season. If you replace all those Carter Hart starts with either a more tired Ersson or a 50/50 split w/ Cal Petersen, odds are we'd be a lot further down the standings. We're currently winless since the news broke.

To me, it seems like Danny had/has a plan. Perhaps not exactly in line with your highly theoretical "sell everything" master plan, but still a solid plan. Some unfortunate circumstances out of his control altered that plan and then some positive circumstances (young players driving the team to overachieve) altered it even further and now he needs to adapt. But he hit a home run with the Provorov deal. He was able to pluck Rizzo for the pile of shit that is TDA. I have no reason yet to doubt DB. His first trade deadline is critical though.
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I can tell you what doesn't work: the staggered, no-age-matches approach the Flyers are about to do again, where they hang onto multiple players through the dead years for no real reason and then they are shells of themselves without the same value by the time the young player can be dominant.
 
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As I showed above, when Michkov comes over at 21, Couts (34), Sanheim (30), TK (29) will be the oldest Flyers. Even teams that tank bring in older veterans when they deem the kids ready to compete (look at NJ with Hamilton, Palat, Haula). They will also have 21+ picks the next two drafts. So age distribution will not be an issue.

The biggest problem is filling the hole at center. They need a young two way physical center to pair with Frost, and I think that's where they may potentially package some draft assets. They can start a kid on the 3rd line with say Cates and Brink and give him time to develop. If they draft centers, they may not arrive until 2027-28 or so (2-3 years after draft). In that case, they might sign/trade for a veteran to be a 2-3 year stop gap, because Poehling/Laughton are not 3Cs.
 
deadhead said:
As I showed above, when Michkov comes over at 21, Couts (34), Sanheim (30), TK (29) will be the oldest Flyers. Even teams that tank bring in older veterans when they deem the kids ready to compete (look at NJ with Hamilton, Palat, Haula). They will also have 21+ picks the next two drafts. So age distribution will not be an issue.

The biggest problem is filling the hole at center. They need a young two way physical center to pair with Frost, and I think that's where they may potentially package some draft assets. They can start a kid on the 3rd line with say Cates and Brink and give him time to develop. If they draft centers, they may not arrive until 2027-28 or so (2-3 years after draft). In that case, they might sign/trade for a veteran to be a 2-3 year stop gap, because Poehling/Laughton are not 3Cs.
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Then Michkov hits his prime at 25, those guys are toast, others are getting toasted, and then what?
 
flyersnorth said:
What is this trade talk about Jiricek?
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Columbus is an unmitigated disaster. He did an interview with The Athletic where he said all the right things about enjoying the people in Cleveland, but he's unhappy. This is a thread if you don't have a sub:



theathletic.com

Blue Jackets Sunday Gathering: David Jiricek frustrated with latest demotion to AHL

"I played good hockey in the NHL," Jiricek told The Athletic. "I'm an NHL player right now. That's my opinion."
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JojoTheWhale said:
Columbus is an unmitigated disaster. He did an interview with The Athletic where he said all the right things about enjoying the people in Cleveland, but he's unhappy. This is a thread if you don't have a sub:



theathletic.com

Blue Jackets Sunday Gathering: David Jiricek frustrated with latest demotion to AHL

"I played good hockey in the NHL," Jiricek told The Athletic. "I'm an NHL player right now. That's my opinion."
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Thanks for this - I didn't know he was frustrated.

He's another RHD so I'm not sure I see it happening.
 
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Michkov, after three KHL seasons, should hit the ground running at 21.
By the time TK and Sanheim start fading in their 30s, the 2024 and 2025 draft classes should be in the NHL with a couple years under their belt.

The problem isn't timing, it's finding that center to go with all the scoring wings.
And maybe a LHD to go with Bonk and Drysdale.
 
deadhead said:
And maybe a LHD to go with Bonk and Drysdale.
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Deady. Brother.

I would argue it’s too soon to assume Drysdale is a piece, but I understand I’m in the minority and that’s how it will stay. I’m worried someone is coming through your front door with a cartoon net if we’re basing personnel decisions on Bonk making it as a good NHLer. We do this with every high draft pick.
 
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deadhead said:
Michkov, after three KHL seasons, should hit the ground running at 21.
By the time TK and Sanheim start fading in their 30s, the 2024 and 2025 draft classes should be in the NHL with a couple years under their belt.

The problem isn't timing, it's finding that center to go with all the scoring wings.
And maybe a LHD to go with Bonk and Drysdale.
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Good way to get centers, the best way, is to draft them. You get draft success by maximizing your draft choices. Either option points to trading some guys. It's called rebuilding.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
Deady. Brother.

I would argue it’s too soon to assume Drysdale is a piece, but I understand I’m in the minority and that’s how it will stay. I’m worried someone is coming through your front door with a cartoon net if we’re basing personnel decisions on Bonk making it as a good NHLer. We do this with every high draft pick.
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Bonk is having an off the charts D+1 season, now some of this is driven by their PP, but he's outscoring Dickinson, who's been projected at a top 10 pick. Remember, Bonk was drafted on the basis of his IQ, mobility and defensive prowess, this offensive explosion was totally unexpected.

There's no guarantees on any draft pick, but there's a lot more to be optimistic about when a player grossly exceeds expectations in his D+1 season.
 
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Bonk is having an off the charts D+1 season, now some of this is driven by their PP, but he's outscoring Dickinson, who's been projected at a top 10 pick. Remember, Bonk was drafted on the basis of his IQ, mobility and defensive prowess, this offensive explosion was totally unexpected.

There's no guarantees on any draft pick, but there's a lot more to be optimistic about when a player grossly exceeds expectations in his D+1 season.
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I want to be very clear that I’m not trying to tell you whether it’s ok to be excited.

I just don’t want to base any personnel decisions on prospects under the Michkov level. It’s abominable, arrogant process. The Flyers have been defined by their arrogance for decades now, so signs of that resurfacing are important to me.

wankstifier said:
Any idea what Columbus is looking for?
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I doubt they’re traded. But if they are, I would guess it happens at the draft. Think Dach and adjust from there.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
I want to be very clear that I’m not trying to tell you whether it’s ok to be excited.

I just don’t want to base any personnel decisions on prospects under the Michkov level. It’s abominable, arrogant process. The Flyers have been defined by their arrogance for decades now, so signs of that resurfacing are important to me.
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When you're good at something, keep it going
 
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