Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VI

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What do u feel debrusk is worth ?

I think a lot of going to depend on how he finishes this season to be honest.

Headed into this season he averages per season:

67gp/ 20g / 19a / 39p

He’s played well the previous two years and has improved defensively. However now that he’s not with an elite center anymore it appears he’s is regressing a bit offensively like he has done in the past.

We are getting a little long into the season for him to only have 4 goals. A lot will depend on how he finishes the season.

Currently I would see him around $4.5-$5m a season.
 
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I think a lot of going to depend on how he finishes this season to be honest.

Headed into this season he averages per season:

67gp/ 20g / 19a / 39p

He’s played well the previous two years and has improved defensively. However now that he’s not with an elite center anymore it appears he’s is regressing a bit offensively like he has done in the past.

We are getting a little long into the season for him to only have 4 goals. A lot will depend on how he finishes the season.

Currently I would see him around $4.5-$5m a season.
Perfect. Progress defensively and regress offensively. Give him 5x5. Probably a down year. He is likely a career average 50 point player.
 
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Perfect. Progress defensively and regress offensively. Give him 5x5. Probably a down year. He is likely a career average 50 point player.
4.5/ 5 and I don't think you have a chance

Make it 5x5.5 and you might have a chance of getting him.....my guess is someone will offer 5 years at 6 or 6.25...depending where the offer comes from ( eg Calgary) will be a big factor in what he decides
 
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Just saw a junk site making a big deal of benching 51 in third periods. (I don't like his decision making either.) I doubt we can trade JDB for an adequate center, but it makes me wonder. I know Zacha is out, but between this and the Hanifin rumors, I think JDB is on the block.
 
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I think a lot of going to depend on how he finishes this season to be honest.

Headed into this season he averages per season:

67gp/ 20g / 19a / 39p

He’s played well the previous two years and has improved defensively. However now that he’s not with an elite center anymore it appears he’s is regressing a bit offensively like he has done in the past.

We are getting a little long into the season for him to only have 4 goals. A lot will depend on how he finishes the season.

Currently I would see him around $4.5-$5m a season.

I'm not sure if he is regressing or just getting unlucky and shooting 7%. He has always been and will always be a complementary winger. Guys that can be the best player on a top 6 line make a lot more.

I think a UFA market where *everyone* has an extra 4+ million in cap space is going to surprise us and reset what we think a "fair" contract is.
 
Seeler is scary in that he has not really been a real NHL defenseman and now, at 30, is suddenly playing well.... or at least playing well with Sean Walker. I mean Torts has been as surprised as anyone that he had played well.

So you move out Forbort and bring in Seeler and hope that it's not Walker that was carrying him. You gain some more physicality, and you risk the PK not being as good and Seeler's improved 5 on 5 play being the result of a nice fit with Walker and give him Shattenkirk (who hasn't been good) instead.

I dunno, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

But it does sure seem like you want to know what is going on with Hanifin or trying to improve the the top 6 before you consider these secondary moves.

I think the divide isn't around that the Bruins do or don't need some more physical guys, its that the fact that they have two first line forwards, two second line forwards (who of whom in DeBrusk isn't producing like one) and a lot of guys better off on the third or fourth lines is way way way more important to fix. They have question marks around Gryz (not playing well, and likely on his way out anyway), and the bottom pairing as a whole. Once you fix the bigger issues, it might change where in the lineup you can fit or want to put more physicality.

Like if the Bruins got Hanifin, for example, who is left after that move? Does it leave you in a place where you have Gryz or Lorhei on the bottom pairing? That would make it look like a physical RD is way more important than a physical RD. Seeler has a history of playing both sides because he was just there to mash faces, not to actually play hockey. Can he continue his quarter season of actually being able to play hockey playing on that right side? Or is there someone better?

TLDR; I just think you have to do the bigger moves first and then find where you can try to sprinkle in the physicality, not solve the physicality issues and have that drive where you can add talent.

From the Flyers, you should be looking at Sanheim or Walker.

Sanheim might be the most underrated dman in the league.
 
I think he can play both sides. I think he's more effective on the left but I'm pretty sure they've deployed him there a few times.
I would love him but I’m sure Flyers do as well - I checked him out before and he’s like out of central casting for like a Top Gun pilot.

Actually seems to nice to start crap - come to aid yes but not your regular Sam Bennett & Matt Tkachuk graduate School of Douchery
 
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Dillon third pair meh

Congrats knowing Lucic would commit domestic abuse

4th line looked good to me - Lucic - Beecher - Lauko

Send me a link you called them soft in September or October
Didn't see enough of the team at that point to make that comment , And when did I said I knew Lucic was a domestic abuser? and F him!

I know what Im seeing now and it's not pretty other than watching once in a lifetime goaltending from two guys on the same team.
 
I'm not sure if he is regressing or just getting unlucky and shooting 7%. He has always been and will always be a complementary winger. Guys that can be the best player on a top 6 line make a lot more.

I think a UFA market where *everyone* has an extra 4+ million in cap space is going to surprise us and reset what we think a "fair" contract is.

Idk if it’s unlucky. This seems to be the trend for Debrusk his whole career when he’s been away from bergy/krejci. I think this is just what happens when he doesn’t have an elite center creating for him.

He needs to turn it on massively the rest of the way here. Sort of like he did the 2nd half of the 2021-2022 season.


He has 4 goals 1/3 of the way through the season. Not ideal
 
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Idk if it’s unlucky. This seems to be the trend for Debrusk his whole career when he’s been away from bergy/krejci. I think this is just what happens when he doesn’t have an elite center creating for him.

He needs to turn it on massively the rest of the way here. Sort of like he did the 2nd half of the 2021-2022 season.
He’s a complementary winger, now that he’s improved the other parts of his game where he can pitch in defensively and on PK, I think if you can get him under 5m AAV it’s a no brainer.

His offense will improve as you improve the top 6, so he can improve to about a 5-6m AAV player with a better center, or a 4-5m AAV player without.
 
Idk if it’s unlucky. This seems to be the trend for Debrusk his whole career when he’s been away from bergy/krejci. I think this is just what happens when he doesn’t have an elite center creating for him.

He needs to turn it on massively the rest of the way here. Sort of like he did the 2nd half of the 2021-2022 season.


He has 4 goals 1/3 of the way through the season. Not ideal

That is how it goes with many 2nd line talents. Why centers are so highly valued. Debrusk to his credit has become a two way forward. Even with Krejci, he and Krejci were always a two man line. Last season was the first time in a while he was set up for success and he did very well as we should expect.

If not for JvR perhaps Debrusk returns to being a net front presence where his talent is maximized on the PP. It was not to be, but Debrusk will happily sign an extension or new contract for $5 million or more, guaranteed.
 
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Idk if it’s unlucky. This seems to be the trend for Debrusk his whole career when he’s been away from bergy/krejci. I think this is just what happens when he doesn’t have an elite center creating for him.

He needs to turn it on massively the rest of the way here. Sort of like he did the 2nd half of the 2021-2022 season.


He has 4 goals 1/3 of the way through the season. Not ideal

I dunno if I would call Krejci elite, he was a low end #1C for most of his career. And DeBrusk had Kuhlman/Spooner/Backes on the other side. DeBrusk is a top 6 complimentary winger. Streaky, but he plays a 200 foot game and doesn’t need primo PP time to get his points. Guys that can drive a line make 9 million now. DeBrusk is 80-85th in the league in goals since he got to the show. Including the bad times. I was hoping he had that 1st liner level in him. He doesn’t. At least without a lot of help. But 1st liners make 9.

I can hear putting DeBrusk’s money toward one of those 9 million guys, but for 5-6m I don’t think you are getting a better player than the one we already have.
 
I dunno if I would call Krejci elite, he was a low end #1C for most of his career. And DeBrusk had Kuhlman/Spooner/Backes on the other side. DeBrusk is a top 6 complimentary winger. Streaky, but he plays a 200 foot game and doesn’t need primo PP time to get his points. Guys that can drive a line make 9 million now. DeBrusk is 80-85th in the league in goals since he got to the show. Including the bad times. I was hoping he had that 1st liner level in him. He doesn’t. At least without a lot of help. But 1st liners make 9.

I can hear putting DeBrusk’s money toward one of those 9 million guys, but for 5-6m I don’t think you are getting a better player than the one we already have.
He is not much of a playmaker, not terribly physical, and his effort waxes and wanes. They can do better one way or another.
 
I doubt we resign DeBrusk.

If there’s a trade where he’s not the best player in it great not moving the guy for picks but someone who will be here for a while absolutely.
 
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That's 4-5 million you can put towards signing someone significant. 3rd line wingers are easy to find.
Hell, JVR is 8 yrs older and is out producing him and making 3 mill less

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Not by much. Either way, yeah Jake has to start scoring, but now hes a 200 ft player now. All around. Defensively and offensively. Hes an all around player now. Its impressive how quickly hes now become important on the pk. Shows the trust by the team and how Jake has stepped up his all around game. The goals will come.
 
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