Prospect Info: 2023-24 Ducks Prospects
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EP did not rank Luneau in their top 100 prospects.
Yikes. I like Korchinski but no way in hell is he ahead of Minty. Nothing he does is better than minty.
Agreed. I think the only defensive prospects in the world I would take over Minty are Jiricek and Hughes.
Edit: this is even funnier since Minty has been so good in preseason and the NHL and Korchinshi has been terrible in his own end in the NHL.
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But is it about "now" or about potential?
Korchinski still has incredible potential and if they're somewhat near then meh I can understand that. It's a useless ranking anyway. Btw wasn't Korchinski like almost a year younger than Minty or smth?
I’m not trying to slight Korchinski. I’m just saying Minty isn’t getting the respect he deserves.
And he is only like 6 months younger.
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Pronman's 2021 draft prospect list:
McTavish was ranked 9th overall, Tier 4 (top of the line bubble/middle of the line).
Note: in the 2021 re-draft, Tier 5 is top of the line bubble/middle.
Zell was ranked 39th, tier 5 (middle).
Pasta was ranked 27th, tier 5.
Hinds was not ranked in the top 151.
Pronman's re-draft of the 2021 list:
McTavish is ranked 4th overall, Tier 2 (NHL All-star)
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I think it take a couple of years for players to make a bigger jump with Pronman and Wheeler. They're still using old info to lay down a pattern on all these prospects. Unless they are a top-end prospect where Pronman & Wheeler will watch often, they aren't going to be intimately engaged with the younger prospects... well that's my theory.
Minty jumped up from 21st to 8th in the re-draft. He's got a great two year record in juniors and won OHL d-man of the year last year.
Why isn't he in the same tier as Korchinski? I think this is gonna run similar to the Fantilli vs Carlsson ranking/debate. Scouts have latched onto a prospect and stuck with favorites. Korchinski is your classic stay at the blue-line D-man and his 6'3 height helps to be more visually gravitating as a prospect. Minty is a much more versatile d-man offensively as he's willing to pinch down often, like he was an extra forward on the ice. I like Minty's game over Korchinski, especially when a video scout identified that Korchinski has only one move in the def end to get away from players and hasn't changed in two seasons of tracking.
Luneau jumped from 40th to 37th in the re-draft. He's got only one great year in juniors, where he won QMJHL d-man of the year. From a pattern box score view, Luneau is a one-hit wonder. We Duck fans feel differently, but also we follow Luneau more closely.
I think the initial 40th ranking is pretty high praise from Pronman b/c Luneau was having a bad season due not being 100% recovered from knee surgery over his D+0 summer. Even Central Scouting dropped him from a 1st round prospect rating, and they loved him coming into his D+0 season. We picked Luneau at 53rd overall. All the NHL teams were skeptical of Luneau after his bad season and skating not the same as his D-1 season, including us as we drafted Warren at 42nd instead of Luneau. We took the gamble and were willing to be patient for Luneau's knee to fully heal as well as regain his skating. Luneau still needs to work on his first three steps to regain that burst like he had before the knee surgery. Luneau still has that potential to be even better than he is now, which is pretty damned scary good!
Hinds going from NR to 40th is a bombastic jump! TBH, I'm surprised Pronman ranked him so high. Guess Hinds showing up at the WJC-20 made it easier for Pronman to do more of a deep dive on him. Hmmm... Luneau wasn't on the WJC-20 team and could be the reason why he didn't jump up higher too. Out of sight, out of mind, and let's use the pattern box scores in the database.
I watched a ton of Thunderbirds games his draft year and was happy to see the Hawks grab Korchinski at 7... knowing the Ducks might be in on him. Just too much for him to overcome defensively and I never saw much projectable offense from the blueline. Minty was my fav d-man in the draft and I even thought he'd be better than Nemec and maybe Jiricek... I really like what i've seen from Jiricek this season though.
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Korchinski reminds me of a Theodore esque ceiling. Which is fantastic obviously, but not a true #1 that can play in any and every situation like I think Minty can be. I'm not sure of a good comparison for Minty, maybe like a more handsy Duncan Keith ceiling?
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If it's about potential, then value of potential could vary. I think Korchinski's height 6'3, high offensive production, and +/- ratings would have many salivating. But I think Korchinski being on an uber-talented team helps out with that plus/minus rating. As for his offense, he's your classic fire away from the blue line like Shea Theodore. Most teams utilize OFD like Korchinski. Yet, Korchinski didn't win WHL d-man of the year; Zellweger won it for the 2nd year in a row b/c his offensive style is a pinching one, not classic OFD.
Minty is 6'1, high offensive production, and a +/- rating that went from -14 to +33. He also won OHL d-man of the year. Minty isn't your classic OFD as he loves to pinch down often. Most teams don't have their D-men pinch down often, but the Ducks do that style. Anaheim has been doing it for the past two seasons under Eakins and continuing on with Cronin.
Problem with the ranking is there are tiers within the ranking, making the divide larger. In the re-draft, Korchinski is 5th overall and Minty is 8th. That's not really a big difference in that context.
Now, when we add the tier factor, then there's a big gap. Korchinski is ranked 5th and a tier 2: "top of the line player" status. Minty is ranked 5th and a tier 3: "Bubble top or Middle of the line up player" status. That's where confusion exists.
I appreciate all the work Pronman does and know he can't follow hundreds of players, so I won't complain too much about it. Scouts and teams have biases too, kinda like Wheeler not accepting Dostal as a credible goalie prospect and stating he's too short, but in the same article praising the shorter G Wolf. Eventually, they change their minds with a longer runway paved.
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After Nemec and Jiricek, there were a trio of d-men for us to potentially select between 6'3 Korchinski, 6'1 Minty, and 5'11 Matey. Matey is out b/c we already have two short d-men in our system in Drysdale and Zell. Then it boils down to Korchinski and Minty. I preferred Minty because when I went deep diving, there were a few negatives to Korchinski's game there were identified on video. Thought there was more upside to Minty too because he can pinch and not look lost deep down in the offensive end. I think we would have went with Minty over Korchinski, but glad it didn't come to that.
No idea if Minty could surpass Nemec or Jiricek b/c just a lot of unknown, especially since Minty didn't play at all during COVID b/c the OHL never opened up.
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Korchinski will never be the goal scorer that Theodore is. Not a perfect match but I see Korchinski being closer to a Fowler type with less defensive ability.
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WHL update for the night:
Hvidston did not play in tonight's game with Swift Current winning 6-3.
Port had 0 pts, -1 rating, and 3 dangerous shots. His team was shutout 0-4.
With about 8 minutes left in the Seattle game, Myatovic has scored a goal. It's currently Brandon 3, Seattle 2.
No games played in the OHL and QMJHL tonight.
Hvidston did not play in tonight's game with Swift Current winning 6-3.
Port had 0 pts, -1 rating, and 3 dangerous shots. His team was shutout 0-4.
With about 8 minutes left in the Seattle game, Myatovic has scored a goal. It's currently Brandon 3, Seattle 2.
No games played in the OHL and QMJHL tonight.
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Seattle fell back 4-2 with 2:36 left in the game. Then in a span of a minute, Seattle stormed back to score 4 goals! Unfortunately, all the goals are listed as unassisted at the moment. I'll check back in the AM to see if they add assists b/c Seattle scored so many in such a short amount of time.
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If you look at their draft year seasons, Korchinski's goal scoring is worse than Fowler's was in 09-10 OHL season. Fowler was quite a great draft prospect. What Korchinski has over him is size at 6'3 but does he use that size ? Mintyukov is only 6'1 and Drysdale is only 5'11 but their using their size more to be physical.
Size for defensemen can also be used to take away more space. Although I know you meant something else.
I wanted Korchinski tbh but Minty has pleasantly surprised me.
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If we went dmen Mintyukov was always the guy I wanted. I just felt like he was the most well rounded of any dmen in the draft.
Honestly didn’t care for Korchinski at all… the one area of the game Korchinski excels at(offense) I always felt Mintyukov was bette r
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Seattle fell back 4-2 with 2:36 left in the game. Then in a span of a minute, Seattle stormed back to score 4 goals! Unfortunately, all the goals are listed as unassisted at the moment. I'll check back in the AM to see if they add assists b/c Seattle scored so many in such a short amount of time.
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Long after the game was done, the stats guys finally added all the assists and Nico was one of them.
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