Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Juxtaposer]

Not many since few players fit that profile. Brind'Amour and Bergeron come to mind. Barkov and O'Reilly could be solid counterexamples in that they peaked later despite being very well-rounded players.

'That profile' being "guys who are emotionally and physically mature and have good two-way games" and you can only come up with two more examples? Bergeron's best statistical seasons were 2017-2020, anyway. And I don't think Brind'Amour is a reasonable comparison.

You're essentially saying that Macklin is as good as he'll ever be right now if not for being before his physical prime. As though he's not going to keep improving his skills and improving his game. Seems like a crazy, crazy thing to say.

 

[OrrNumber4]

'That profile' being "guys who are emotionally and physically mature and have good two-way games" and you can only come up with two more examples?

Very talented, as well.

Bergeron's best statistical seasons were 2017-2020, anyway. And I don't think Brind'Amour is a reasonable comparison.

Bergeron's best seasons were his 2005-2007 run, though he did get injured afterward. I realize he won a bunch of trophies after that, but at least to me, he was at his absolute best those two seasons.

You're essentially saying that Macklin is as good as he'll ever be right now if not for being before his physical prime. As though he's not going to keep improving his skills and improving his game. Seems like a crazy, crazy thing to say.

I'm saying that like most players, Macklin's physical prime will be around ages 20-22, and that he has less room to grow in the other facets of the game because he's already so proficient there. Experience will help, etc. but he's not going to have that light-bulb moment where he starts contributing defensively and improves his diet.

 

[Wedontneedroads]

Some absolutely wild takes in here regarding when professional athletes peak and when the Sharks will/should go all in to compete for a Cup.

Most humans don’t reach physical prime until 22+ unless you are a genetic freak like LeBron James.

There is so much work to be done building this roster, and I hope management is patient when it comes to team building.

 

[spintops]

Even if Macklin was about to enter his short prime years (I disagree 100%) - you can't rush the rest of the rebuild. Look at where this roster was like 18 months ago. As much as we want to compete now because he looks that good, it's going to take time to build out a real contending roster.

I prefer to be patient for another 1-2 years waiting for some of the prospects to develop into core pieces. I'm on board with improving the roster or trading less premium assets. But I don't think it's time to trade big pieces to chase being a fringe playoff team yet

 

[STL Shark]

Penguins got Crosby in 2006 and were Cup Champions in 09. It's perfectly realistic to expect us to be a playoff team by next year and Cup Favorites by Celebrini's third year.

Crosby's rookie year was the first time the NHL implemented a salary cap. That completely changed the sport as teams had not been preparing their cap sheets for years like they do now. Gave Pittsburgh a more dramatic advantage over others. Not really a representative expectation to have in modern NHL.

 

[Hodge]

None of our current prospects are going to develop into core pieces. The only potential core pieces are Celebrini, Smith, Askarov and whoever we draft with the 2025 1st rounder. Every other asset should be on the table to improve the NHL roster.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

None of our current prospects are going to develop into core pieces. The only potential core pieces are Celebrini, Smith, Askarov and whoever we draft with the 2025 1st rounder. Every other asset should be on the table to improve the NHL roster.

Seems like a pretty restrictive definition of core. Who would you say was Florida’s core last year? Just Barkov/Tkachuk/Reinhart/Forsling/Bob?

 

[Hodge]

Seems like a pretty restrictive definition of core. Who would you say was Florida’s core last year? Just Barkov/Tkachuk/Reinhart/Forsling/Bob?

I'm not even sure I would consider Forsling and Bob part of their core. More like secondary core players who elevated their games to insane levels during that playoff run which every Cup winner needs some non-core players to do. Trading for or signing known quantities seems like a better strategy for acquiring those sorts of secondary core players than banking on prospects drafted in the late 1st and beyond.

 

[spintops]

None of our current prospects are going to develop into core pieces. The only potential core pieces are Celebrini, Smith, Askarov and whoever we draft with the 2025 1st rounder. Every other asset should be on the table to improve the NHL roster.

Finally lowered your expectations of Dickinson?

 

[one2gamble]

None of our current prospects are going to develop into core pieces. The only potential core pieces are Celebrini, Smith, Askarov and whoever we draft with the 2025 1st rounder. Every other asset should be on the table to improve the NHL roster.

premature statement of fact

You need to wait at least one more year before you make a call on three or four of them.

 

[Hodge]

Finally lowered your expectations of Dickinson?

I've always expected him to become a Noah Hanifin-tier #2D if everything goes right in his development. That's not a core player.

 

[Hodge]

premature statement of fact

You need to wait at least one more year before you make a call on three or four of them.

What if you wait one more year and those three or four players lose all their remaining trade value?

Whether you're trading prospects for established NHL players now or holding onto them in the hopes they'll become better than those players later, it's a risk either way.

 

[spintops]

I've always expected him to become a Noah Hanifin-tier #2D if everything goes right in his development. That's not a core player.

Thought you said you would take him over every forward in this draft which you are listing as a core piece (25 1st rounder)

 

[Hodge]

Thought you said you would take him over every forward in this draft which you are listing as a core piece (25 1st rounder)

"Potential" core piece. If we don't get Schaefer, the 2025 1st isn't likely to be a core piece either and I would gladly trade that pick for someone like Dobson.

 

[one2gamble]

What if you wait one more year and those three or four players lose all their remaining trade value?

Whether you're trading prospects for established NHL players now or holding onto them in the hopes they'll become better than those players later, it's a risk either way.

Their trade value isnt high enough to get what the Sharks need anyway. They are basically sweeteners at this point.

 

[pappaf2]

its going to be a long painful wait if GMMG doesn’t make any sort of meaningful moves before the draft.

 

[ThePlanet]

I have no real basis for this, but I've always felt that Eklund got really pissed off after we let his ELC slide, especially the second time. So much so that I honestly expect contract negotiations to be very rough when they come up, or for him to flat out leave once he hits UFA. With that scenario in mind, how would people feel about a trade centered around him for Dobson, or preferably (in my mind), Nemec?

 

[Jargon]

I have no real basis for this, but I've always felt that Eklund got really pissed off after we let his ELC slide, especially the second time. So much so that I honestly expect contract negotiations to be very rough when they come up, or for him to flat out leave once he hits UFA. With that scenario in mind, how would people feel about a trade centered around him for Dobson, or preferably (in my mind), Nemec?

I’d be fine with it if that was the case but I’ve never gotten that impression from him. I think he genuinely likes being here with his bff Zetterlund and I think they want to turn the ship around. I’m sure he’s had a blast playing with Celebrini, despite the results.

 

[fasterthanlight]

I’d be fine with it if that was the case but I’ve never gotten that impression from him. I think he genuinely likes being here with his bff Zetterlund and I think they want to turn the ship around. I’m sure he’s had a blast playing with Celebrini, despite the results.

+1, I think even if he was going full Machiavellian dark eklund, getting stapled to celebrini for a few years on a bridge deal is likely to make him more cash in the end

 

[STL Shark]

"Potential" core piece. If we don't get Schaefer, the 2025 1st isn't likely to be a core piece either and I would gladly trade that pick for someone like Dobson.

You were also willing to trade a mid 1st round pick for noted AHLer Jesse Puljuarvi...

I’d be fine with it if that was the case but I’ve never gotten that impression from him. I think he genuinely likes being here with his bff Zetterlund and I think they want to turn the ship around. I’m sure he’s had a blast playing with Celebrini, despite the results.

What do you mean? This is clearly the face of a guy that absolutely hates it here.

 

[Hodge]

You were also willing to trade a mid 1st round pick for noted AHLer Jesse Puljuarvi...

He was coming off the best season of his career and looked back on track to becoming a top line power forward. It would have been a bad move for sure but at the end of the day all we would have lost is the pick we turned into Bystedt, Lund and Havelid. Hardly a disaster.

If you make 10 trades like that you may only hit on 1-2 of them but the realistic upside of the pick/prospect value you're conceding is low enough that you'll still come out ahead in the aggregate.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

"Potential" core piece. If we don't get Schaefer, the 2025 1st isn't likely to be a core piece either and I would gladly trade that pick for someone like Dobson.

Misa is very, very likely to be a core piece. Whoever turns out to be the better of Hagens/Martone is also quite likely.

 

[ThePlanet]

What do you mean? This is clearly the face of a guy that absolutely hates it here.

Like I said, I have no real basis for that feeling. He's arguably one of our most tradable assets from a position of relative strength within the franchise.

 

[Hodge]

Misa is very, very likely to be a core piece. Whoever turns out to be the better of Hagens/Martone is also quite likely.

Maybe but Dobson is just as likely to be a core piece, doesn't have the downside risk of ending up a middle of the lineup player and fills our biggest need unlike the forwards. Not that the Isles would necessarily even trade him for that pick but maybe Lou finally gets canned and the new GM decides to rebuild.

 

[STL Shark]

Maybe but Dobson is just as likely to be a core piece, doesn't have the downside risk of ending up a middle of the lineup player and fills our biggest need unlike the forwards. Not that the Isles would necessarily even trade him for that pick but maybe Lou finally gets canned and the new GM decides to rebuild.

Hanifin is a better player than Dobson and you just said you wouldn't consider a Hanifin type (Dickinson) as a core piece. We need to get over this Dobson is elite stuff because he's just not. He's a solid player that will not be a #1 on a team that has real aspirations of winning anything.