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Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

Pinkfloyd said:
Even if they all want term, it would be okay to pass on it. I think Graf is close enough to keep a top-9 winger spot open for him to compete for while giving something to dangle in front of all the rookie pro wingers we'll have.
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Eh. I would rather have him and his biggish salary over numerous guys that have gotten time in the middle 6 like Dellandrea or Kostin or Grundstrom. Even Kunin. If Granlund goes and Smith moves back to C, the team is going to be real weak on middle 6 wingers with some offensive skill.
 
TheBeard said:
Eh. I would rather have him and his biggish salary over numerous guys that have gotten time in the middle 6 like Dellandrea or Kostin or Grundstrom. Even Kunin. If Granlund goes and Smith moves back to C, the team is going to be real weak on middle 6 wingers with some offensive skill.
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I think if they plan on trading Granlund, this is a no-brainer. If they plan on keeping him, I guess I could sort of see them passing, but yeah, this is a legit guy who SHOULD be much better than all the guys you mentioned.
 
Hasn't Saad regressed a lot? Feels like he'd be another player who didn't want to be here.

A question about next season...is Celebrini ready to be the #1 center? Looking at Bedard, one can't help but see how he's struggling with #1 center duties; facing the other team's top lines night after night isn't easy. Celebrini has had some sheltering behind Granlund this season. Will he need that again next year? Not to mention that this would put Smith as the #3C...
 
OrrNumber4 said:
Hasn't Saad regressed a lot? Feels like he'd be another player who didn't want to be here.

A question about next season...is Celebrini ready to be the #1 center? Looking at Bedard, one can't help but see how he's struggling with #1 center duties; facing the other team's top lines night after night isn't easy. Celebrini has had some sheltering behind Granlund this season. Will he need that again next year? Not to mention that this would put Smith as the #3C...
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Connor is also playing with 3rd liners on the top line, and there's not much behind them. Chicago, as much as we complain about our depth, are unbelievably thin up front. Jason Dickinson as your 2nd line center is absolutely insane.

Celly4Celebrini said:
Was messing around on NHL 25 today.

Granlund + 4th for Yager and WPG 1st was a deal i made that seemed really good for both. Just throwing it out as a potential comp
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There's zero chance we get Yager or a 1st for Granlund even with a sweetener.
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
Hasn't Saad regressed a lot? Feels like he'd be another player who didn't want to be here.

A question about next season...is Celebrini ready to be the #1 center? Looking at Bedard, one can't help but see how he's struggling with #1 center duties; facing the other team's top lines night after night isn't easy. Celebrini has had some sheltering behind Granlund this season. Will he need that again next year? Not to mention that this would put Smith as the #3C...
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The guy who has been hard-matched against Crosby and Barkov the last two games isn't already our #1 center?
 
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TheBeard said:
Eh. I would rather have him and his biggish salary over numerous guys that have gotten time in the middle 6 like Dellandrea or Kostin or Grundstrom. Even Kunin. If Granlund goes and Smith moves back to C, the team is going to be real weak on middle 6 wingers with some offensive skill.
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Seven goals in 43 games this year doesn't speak to making the middle six any less weak adding a declining goal scoring threat who doesn't do much else. If we claim him and he doesn't click with Celebrini or Smith, it will be a complete waste of a spot that could go to someone making progress at a young age.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Seven goals in 43 games this year doesn't speak to making the middle six any less weak adding a declining goal scoring threat who doesn't do much else. If we claim him and he doesn't click with Celebrini or Smith, it will be a complete waste of a spot that could go to someone making progress at a young age.
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Then you do what St Louis did and put him on waivers. It's not like we're up against the cap so they could afford to just bury him. That's the whole point of having so much cap space right now - the flexibility to take chances before we get saddled by major deals for our core pieces.
 
TheBeard said:
Then you do what St Louis did and put him on waivers. It's not like we're up against the cap so they could afford to just bury him. That's the whole point of having so much cap space right now - the flexibility to take chances before we get saddled by major deals for our core pieces.
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Yes but by doing that you're also taking away opportunities to develop when no expectations sit at the team's feet. I just don't see the payoff for bringing Saad in. What is he going to do to make anyone better?
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Yes but by doing that you're also taking away opportunities to develop when no expectations sit at the team's feet. I just don't see the payoff for bringing Saad in. What is he going to do to make anyone better?
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I'm mixed on Saad, but my main question here would be who would he really be blocking an opportunity from between now and next year's trade deadline? Graf? One injury and Graf could slide right into a top nine role, in that case.
 
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TheBeard said:
I forgot about Sabourin. Good call. I fully expect Grier to put in a claim. I expect he'll be busy at the TDL moving the vets in their final year and he'll need some vet experience to replace em. Playing him on the second line would mean moving Zetterlund back to 3 which I think is his best fit for the time.
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Until a trade happens, i would still keep Zetterlund, granlund, smith together even with a claim or saad.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Yes but by doing that you're also taking away opportunities to develop when no expectations sit at the team's feet. I just don't see the payoff for bringing Saad in. What is he going to do to make anyone better?
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At 5v5, Celebrini has played 614 minutes. 186 of those have been with at least one of Goodrow, Dellandrea, Kunin, or Grundstrom. Of Smith's 552 minutes played at 5v5, 252 have been with at least one of those four.

Replacing any of those four plugs with Saad for any period of time will help Celebrini and Smith succeed more playing their style of game than they do when forced to play with those plugs, in the same way Kostin sometimes helps Smith just by virtue of having some semblance of offensive talent.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Yes but by doing that you're also taking away opportunities to develop when no expectations sit at the team's feet. I just don't see the payoff for bringing Saad in. What is he going to do to make anyone better?
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I think he brings more offensively than the plethora of bottom 6 players that show nothing not to mention someone who can plug into a top line role if injuries occur that isn’t Goodrow or Kunin.
 
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OrrNumber4 said:
Hasn't Saad regressed a lot? Feels like he'd be another player who didn't want to be here.

A question about next season...is Celebrini ready to be the #1 center? Looking at Bedard, one can't help but see how he's struggling with #1 center duties; facing the other team's top lines night after night isn't easy. Celebrini has had some sheltering behind Granlund this season. Will he need that again next year? Not to mention that this would put Smith as the #3C...
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Celebrini is already the 1C on this team. He is getting hard matched against Barkov and Crosby the last two games at home. He is on a completely different planet as Bedard as a C prospect. Bedard is a Wing that plays C because he has always been the most talented player on his team but he doesn’t play a C game down the middle.

Celebrini is not ready to carry 2 3rd liners on the 1st line but is absolutely ready now when paired with Eklund and definitely next season will be ready when paired with Eklund.
 
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gaucholoco3 said:
No this is wrong. Points percentage is used for waiver priority after Nov 1st.
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This is true, I checked multiple sources but they are wrong. Per the CBA:

"[The player shall] be transferred to the claiming Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the request for Waivers." (Article 13.19).

So the Blackhawks have priority over the Sharks for Saad, no matter who wins their game today.
 
Cas said:
This is true, I checked multiple sources but they are wrong. Per the CBA:

"[The player shall] be transferred to the claiming Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the request for Waivers." (Article 13.19).

So the Blackhawks have priority over the Sharks for Saad, no matter who wins their game today.
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Wait, we have a .340 and the hawks are at .357 right now. How would they have priority?
 
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Cas said:
This is true, I checked multiple sources but they are wrong. Per the CBA:

"[The player shall] be transferred to the claiming Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the request for Waivers." (Article 13.19).

So the Blackhawks have priority over the Sharks for Saad, no matter who wins their game today.
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That just confirms it is points percentage which is in the Sharks favor regardless of the Chicago game tonight.
 
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