Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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This was far and away the most entertaining Sharks game in quite a while. It helped a lot that Detroit's defense was positively sharktastic.

I had the same thought as I was watching today. Even in the losses, the games are fun, close and the players are easy to cheer for.

It’s in stark contrast to last year’s team when I kept hoping Mike Hoffman and his irritating face would fall into a sudden ice hole.
 
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I had the same thought as I was watching today. Even in the losses, the games are fun, close and the players are easy to cheer for.

It’s in stark contrast to last year’s team when I kept hoping Mike Hoffman and his irritating face would fall into a sudden ice hole.
It just shows how impressive Grier was in the tank last season. There was no stopping him getting the best Celebrini odds.
 
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I had the same thought as I was watching today. Even in the losses, the games are fun, close and the players are easy to cheer for.

It’s in stark contrast to last year’s team when I kept hoping Mike Hoffman and his irritating face would fall into a sudden ice hole.
I didn't really enjoy the "better effort/no results" game Wild game. Reminded me too much of this. And I think we're all agreed about the Utah game.

Celebrini playing well always improves my feelings about any game though.

It just shows how impressive Grier was in the tank last season. There was no stopping him getting the best Celebrini odds.
Didn't even need Threegiev last year
 
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I think Eklund's jump this year has been almost as important as Celebrini's emergence. There are no guarantees even with highly drafted prospects, so its nice to see that Eklund looks like a solid hit right now. Not only has he solidified himself as a top 6 forward and jumped to a 60+ point pace from 45 last year, he has gone from -45 to +4 this year. If he can be a consistent 60-70 point defensively responsible winger, that would be great value from his draft slot. We should probably think about locking him up long term soon.
 
I think Eklund's jump this year has been almost as important as Celebrini's emergence. There are no guarantees even with highly drafted prospects, so its nice to see that Eklund looks like a solid hit right now. Not only has he solidified himself as a top 6 forward and jumped to a 60+ point pace from 45 last year, he has gone from -45 to +4 this year. If he can be a consistent 60-70 point defensively responsible winger, that would be great value from his draft slot. We should probably think about locking him up long term soon.
It's interesting because I feel like his ceiling offensively probably needs to be discussed in relation to who he's playing with, because I feel pretty good right now projecting Eklund to being a PPG player if he's on Celebrini's wing and getting PP1 time in the future as part of a more lethal attack with a more mature Celebrini.

He really does feel sort of like the ideal winger for Celebrini long term because he has the skill and the brain and the tenacity, plus the defensive chops, as you said, so that this could be a line matched up confidently against anyone in any situation.
 
It's interesting because I feel like his ceiling offensively probably needs to be discussed in relation to who he's playing with, because I feel pretty good right now projecting Eklund to being a PPG player if he's on Celebrini's wing and getting PP1 time in the future as part of a more lethal attack with a more mature Celebrini.

He really does feel sort of like the ideal winger for Celebrini long term because he has the skill and the brain and the tenacity, plus the defensive chops, as you said, so that this could be a line matched up confidently against anyone in any situation.

Yeah if they find an equally good third guy, that’s a future top line that can score and shut down other top lines.
 
Nobody that needs/wants a Ceci is going to think their needs are met because of Klingberg. They bring nothing similar to the table outside of being RH and playing D. Their games are entirely different.
Sure but that's only part of the equation. A team like Dallas, with a pretty big need on RD, is certainly a candidate for either Ceci or Klingberg + another F move as a complement, and you can bet their front office is evaluating every RHD option on the market. You can waive your hand at that notion, but it's indisputable that there is a finite market for RHD and more players in an available pool makes moving our RHD harder.
 
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Ferraro only Shark mentioned

I just don't see it. We know that Grier has been listening on offers for a while. We know that 2 years ago, the Sharks wanted a first-round-pick +. I don't think that Grier has lowered his estimation of Ferraro even though his value is (IMO) at a nadir.

Granlund, Sturm, and Ceci. Maybe Rutta and a goalie to a team desperate for depth....
 


This smurf is such a loser. Incredibly grateful we ended up with Macklin instead of souped-up Alex DeBrincat.
 
When Bedard hits UFA, he will call Celebrini and say I'm taking a paycut and I'm coming to San Jose baby, let's go get the cup! Daydreaming again, but those two on the same PP would give other teams a nightmare for a decade.
 
Sure but that's only part of the equation. A team like Dallas, with a pretty big need on RD, is certainly a candidate for either Ceci or Klingberg + another F move as a complement, and you can bet their front office is evaluating every RHD option on the market. You can waive your hand at that notion, but it's indisputable that there is a finite market for RHD and more players in an available pool makes moving our RHD harder.
Again, if you're looking for some cheap potential offense from the back end, you're shopping for Klingberg. If you're shopping for ability in their own end that has actually played hockey in the last 15 months, you're shopping for Ceci.

Their markets don't overlap really at all because they may as well play different positions.
 
If you can acquire Nemec, you do it. MG is probably looking for RD's and we have Granlund as a good piece going back for their playoff run. You can even add one of Ceci or Rutta to balance the RD situation on the trade.

Please, with any young top 4 projected RHD. Even dangle a Musty type prospect back if they’re not interested in a rental type deal
 
If you can acquire Nemec, you do it. MG is probably looking for RD's and we have Granlund as a good piece going back for their playoff run. You can even add one of Ceci or Rutta to balance the RD situation on the trade.

Of potential RHD in our ideal age group (right now anyone who is NHL capable would be huge), I don’t see many guys more likely to be available and/or better than Nemec/Casey.

They could use Granny, but I think it’s also a good example of where we could build up the war chest to have futures to flip.

Jiricek had a lot less in front of him, and Nemec has higher draft pedigree and doesn’t have the skating concerns, but I think that late first, second, third+NHL player is a decent comp should Nemec want out. I actually think his response was pretty mature.

With Hamilton, Pesce, Casey, Nemec, and maybe Kovacevic (who I want us on if he reaches free agency), something will pop in NJ.

Would late 1st (Granny), SJ 2nd, Col 2nd, and an NHL asset (maybe Kovalenko) catch their attention? If Nemec starts to push to get out, I think it does though they may prefer a center (I guarantee they’d ask for Askarov or Smith, but that’s a non-starter). Maybe they can get a JT Miller or a Stankhoven (or other top young C) in a Nemec+ deal. Given id be open to using those assets to trade up for a Mrtka or Hensler, I think investing said assets into an NHL ready RHD would be ideal.

Walman-UFA/Ceci
Muk-Lilji
Ferraro/Thrun-Nemec
Thrun/Rutta (Vlasic)

Muk, Dickinson, Nemec, and potentially a 1st this year or next (Schaefer, Verhoeff, Reid) would be an absurd amount of youth. We’d definitely be looking to buttress them with quality vets, by upgrading Liljigren and extending or upgrading Walman (if we were to draft a top RHD), but we’ll be looking to do that anyway.

The other thing is love about Nemec is you if you were to end up with say Martone/Misa and McKenna or another top forward prospect next year, your forwards are good enough that having a good puck moving and skating group will allow for enough offense to outscore problems (at least in the regular season), while looking for a premier shutdown dman to compliment them.

Great thing about Celebrini and Askarov is we may have Vezina and selke caliber players, meaning a Norris caliber player, while ideal, is slightly less necessary. All things equal, I want Schaefer, Verhoff, or Dupont badly, but if it doesn’t work out, i still see a path for an elite team. Adding Nemec for non-premier assets, widens that path a bit even if he ends up a 3/4 guy instead of the #2 guy he could develop into.
 
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When Bedard hits UFA, he will call Celebrini and say I'm taking a paycut and I'm coming to San Jose baby, let's go get the cup! Daydreaming again, but those two on the same PP would give other teams a nightmare for a decade.


a Lebronesque "we're taking our talents to Vancouver" event would be hilarious

bad for the Sharks for sure, but hilarious in a isthisreallife sort of way

Chicago of course would get the next 3 1st overall picks as compensation
 
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I agree that Devils feel like really good trade partners for us, the issue of course is we don’t have a 1st we’d want to trade them. But maybe Granlund + a Musty or Bystedt + 2nd does it?

That said, has anyone watched Nemec play lately? Has his development stalled?

I have to imagine Grier has been discussing this with them.
 
It sounds like Nemec was dealing with some sort of injury earlier on this season, which accounts for his poor play and mediocre AHL numbers. He's healthy and productive now and, need I remind everyone, only two and a half years removed from being the 2nd overall pick. He's not being traded for Granlund and some mid round picks, good lord.

I think the package would start with Bystedt+. NJ's biggest need is size in a middle-6 C. They also do like Zetterlund, so Zetterlund+ might be an option. I'm not sure how thrilled I would be to do either of those things, but I really do like Nemec and if he is available at all I absolutely think we should go after him.
 

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