Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[BaileyMacTavish]

Why is Smirh on the 4th line? Are we intentionally stalling his development?

 

[timorous me]

We should have drafted Bitchkov anyway and intentionally ruined his career

The Larry David approach to rebuilding a team.

 

[coooldude]

Why is Smirh on the 4th line? Are we intentionally stalling his development?

He's getting the Zetterlund/Eklund "young guy who needs a kick in the ass" treatment. If he starts the game well, he'll probably get more ice up the lineup. If he doesn't, he'll probably get scratched for "development" when Kostin is ready.

 

[TheBeard]

Why is Smirh on the 4th line? Are we intentionally stalling his development?

Because he's largely been invisible save for the occasional nice cross-ice pass and bad turnover. I think the team has sort of given up on his development for now and are just letting him play hockey. A lot of times in our GDTs some will talk about Will having a dominant game and then i'll go to the opponent GDT and they'll be like, "I didn't even know he was playing!".

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Because he's largely been invisible save for the occasional nice cross-ice pass and bad turnover. I think the team has sort of given up on his development for now and are just letting him play hockey. A lot of times in our GDTs some will talk about Will having a dominant game and then i'll go to the opponent GDT and they'll be like, "I didn't even know he was playing!".

Oh that's... man... think we need Hagens?

 

[TheBeard]

Oh that's... man... think we need Hagens?

I do. I think he's our future 2C and playing Will alongside Celebrini on line one will be an incredible combo.

 

[Timo Time]

If Smith is demoted please tell me f***ing Barclay Goodrow is not on that 1st line

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

If Smith is demoted please tell me f***ing Barclay Goodrow is not on that 1st line

He's 3rd line with Wennberg and Kunin.
Top line is the Lund line.

Eklund-Granlund-Zetterlund
Kovalenko-Celebrini-Toffoli
Goodrow-Wennberg-Kunin
Grundstrom-Sturm-Smith
Dellandrea-Kostin

Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Thrun-Rutta
Vlasic-Mukhamadulin

 

[Star Platinum]

He's 3rd line with Wennberg and Kunin.
Top line is the Lund line.

Eklund-Granlund-Zetterlund
Kovalenko-Celebrini-Toffoli
Goodrow-Wennberg-Kunin
Grundstrom-Sturm-Smith
Dellandrea-Kostin

Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Thrun-Rutta
Vlasic-Mukhamadulin

I miss early season Granlund. I hope he gets back to that level soon.

 

[coooldude]

I miss early season Granlund. I hope he gets back to that level soon.

Hero hockey yesterday. Way too much trying to do it all himself. Sometimes it works when he's on, but definitely not last night. Fully agree with you.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

He's 3rd line with Wennberg and Kunin.
Top line is the Lund line.

Eklund-Granlund-Zetterlund
Kovalenko-Celebrini-Toffoli
Goodrow-Wennberg-Kunin
Grundstrom-Sturm-Smith
Dellandrea-Kostin

Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Thrun-Rutta
Vlasic-Mukhamadulin

Love the top six. Hate that 3rd line and think the 4th will play better than the 3rd. If Smith responds well which he's done before, he'll do well with Grundstrom and Sturm who both have been alright rather than awful in their shifts like Goodrow and Kunin tend to be when they're elevated in the lineup. They may want to consider scratching Ceci soon because it's been a bit rough even with the assist last night. I'd rather Mukhamadullin work out the kinks than scratch him if we're going to keep him up here.

 

[weastern bias]

Granlund is clearly playing with an exacerbated head injury, he's had multiple cheap shots against go unpunished this season and each time he's looked like a different player out there, he was fighting the puck hard in the Colorado game

 

[LilLeeroy]

He's 3rd line with Wennberg and Kunin.
Top line is the Lund line.

Eklund-Granlund-Zetterlund
Kovalenko-Celebrini-Toffoli
Goodrow-Wennberg-Kunin
Grundstrom-Sturm-Smith
Dellandrea-Kostin

Walman-Ceci
Ferraro-Liljegren
Thrun-Rutta
Vlasic-Mukhamadulin

They keep going back to the Lund line despite the consistently terrible results. Of 219 lines combinations that have played at least 50 minutes together the Lund line is ranked 208 in xGoals%.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

They keep going back to the Lund line despite the consistently terrible results. Of 219 lines combinations that have played at least 50 minutes together the Lund line is ranked 208 in xGoals%.

I think the Lund line gets broken up almost immediately

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

I thought that was pretty known, no?

its long been believed, but it also usually leads to some saying never confirmed just speculated

 

[OverTheLine]

Smith played great hockey with Granlund, got injured, came back and was put with bums and subsequently struggled.

Goodrow has never shown anything resembling a justification for being put on the first line, but our young talent players are constantly being subjected to a farce of meritocracy that as far as I can tell does not seem to have worked at all. I generally like Wario so far but his handling of lineups has been suspect, especially with the youth vs vets. Smith should either be a top 6 player or out the lineup because he has no business playing on the fourth line; it’s not his role, not now nor will it ever be, and not only is he not going to learn anything useful that way developmentally, it’s a bad deployment of his skillset and wont contribute to winning games.

 

[Jargon]

Smith played great hockey with Granlund, got injured, came back and was put with bums and subsequently struggled.

Goodrow has never shown anything resembling a justification for being put on the first line, but our young talent players are constantly being subjected to a farce of meritocracy that as far as I can tell does not seem to have worked at all. I generally like Wario so far but his handling of lineups has been suspect, especially with the youth vs vets. Smith should either be a top 6 player or out the lineup because he has no business playing on the fourth line; it’s not his role, not now nor will it ever be, and not only is he not going to learn anything useful that way developmentally, it’s a bad deployment of his skillset and wont contribute to winning games.

The way I see it is that Warsofsky sees the lines as having different jobs. The 4th line is chasing down pucks, playing simple and safe hockey, etc. He seems to like putting his young guys on that line when they’re struggling because — and this is just me guessing but I think it makes sense — he wants them to go out and not overthink, play simply, etc.

He GENERALLY moves that young guy up like a period into the game, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. I expect the same to happen to Smith.

 

[Star Platinum]

Smith played great hockey with Granlund, got injured, came back and was put with bums and subsequently struggled.

Goodrow has never shown anything resembling a justification for being put on the first line, but our young talent players are constantly being subjected to a farce of meritocracy that as far as I can tell does not seem to have worked at all. I generally like Wario so far but his handling of lineups has been suspect, especially with the youth vs vets. Smith should either be a top 6 player or out the lineup because he has no business playing on the fourth line; it’s not his role, not now nor will it ever be, and not only is he not going to learn anything useful that way developmentally, it’s a bad deployment of his skillset and wont contribute to winning games.

Near as I can tell, the bottom two lines are just this to Warsofsky.