Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[OverTheLine]

Wow, that's.... cheap. How on earth did we not get in on that?

 

[OrrNumber4]

If there’s anyone that knows Kakko it’s Grier, so I assume he didn’t think he was right for this team.

Enough said.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Any time a Rangers player is moved and Grier isn't in on it, you simply have to assume he had no interest.

 

[timorous me]

Wow, that's.... cheap. How on earth did we not get in on that?

I assume they see Borgen as a competent 2nd pairing RD, only 28 as of tomorrow, and they liked him better than anyone we have available in that role.

There's no point in the Rangers not trying to rebound this season (which is why I've banged the "Fire Laviolette" drum for them the past month or so) with the way the roster is constructed. But one glaring hole has been at RD, especially after shipping Trouba out (though of course the intent was not just to get rid of him, but to get better in that role).

I imagine a big part of this is also hoping Miller can find chemistry with Borgen and that can become a long-term strong second pairing. There are still a lot of issues to fix or guys to get back on track, but this could do something for them.

 

[sharski]

It genuinely sucks that Couture can’t be a part of this new up and coming Sharks team. A healthy Couture would be SUCH an asset right now and it’s such a bummer that he had to be stuck playing on some of our worst teams and likely won’t get to be part of the future. Always thought he had it in him to be a great vet 3C or transition to wing and have a Pavelski-like career…

In my fan fic, Celebrini shocks the world and brings the team right up to the edge of but not quite over the hump of winning the cup... And then out of nowhere Couture shows up like Gandalf and the Rohirrim at Helm's Deep and is the x factor OP 3rd line center that pushes them over the edge and we see Couture pass the cup over to Mack in an on-the-nose symbolic gesture

 

[sharski]

Since the Goodrow situation, I feel like GMMG still has a card in his back pocket that gives him dibs on any deal NYR has on the table

 

[OverTheLine]

Since the Goodrow situation, I feel like GMMG still has a card in his back pocket that gives him dibs on any deal NYR has on the table

Yeah, but that card only lasts as long as Drury is in the driver's seat... which might not be for all that much longer given the way these things have gone.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I assume they see Borgen as a competent 2nd pairing RD, only 28 as of tomorrow, and they liked him better than anyone we have available in that role.

There's no point in the Rangers not trying to rebound this season (which is why I've banged the "Fire Laviolette" drum for them the past month or so) with the way the roster is constructed. But one glaring hole has been at RD, especially after shipping Trouba out (though of course the intent was not just to get rid of him, but to get better in that role).

I imagine a big part of this is also hoping Miller can find chemistry with Borgen and that can become a long-term strong second pairing. There are still a lot of issues to fix or guys to get back on track, but this could do something for them.

I was somewhat interested in Borgen before this season but he's been really bad this season. Ceci might actually be better.

 

[timorous me]

I was somewhat interested in Borgen before this season but he's been really bad this season. Ceci might actually be better.

Yeah, that's the main problem with Borgen. Maybe the Rangers are seeing something promising under the hood? (Or, more likely, they're just getting really desperate.)

 

[Juxtaposer]

Yeah, that's the main problem with Borgen. Maybe the Rangers are seeing something promising under the hood? (Or, more likely, they're just getting really desperate.)

They employ Ryan Lindgren on purpose. I'm guessing they just like him because big and tuff. It is funny that they traded Trouba only to immediately acquire Trouba-lite.

 

[dmcccdmn]

Since the Goodrow situation, I feel like GMMG still has a card in his back pocket that gives him dibs on any deal NYR has on the table

If that's true then it's worse than losing out to Seattle for the trade. That's like having a gift card and not use it, and the store is about to go bankrupt any day now.

 

[Anomie2029]

Maybe Grier doesn't like something about Kakko (which sucks because Grier took Goodrow ffs).
I must say I was surprised with how vocal Kakko was about his scratching - I understand his frustration, but you rarely hear it aired out like that.

May not be the kind of player Grier wants in the room.

 

[Tw1ster]

I'd put in a waiver claim for Coughlan

Fun fact: I played ball hockey against him a couple summers ago. Would be cool to see him get a shot with the Sharks

 

[mogambomoroo]

Trade request:

SJS: Owen Power, '27 4th round pick

BUF: Quentin Musty, Mario Ferraro, '26 2nd round pick (COL)

How do you guys feel about the value? Does it help the Sharks if they get this deal through?
Can Power be our 1D of the future? Does Power 7-year deal lower or raise the price of his trade?


If it goes through and everything is sunny:

D-pairs (until TDL)
Walman - Ceci
Power - Liljegren
Mukhamadullin/Thrun - Rutta/Thompson

Next year:
Power - ?
Walman - Liljegren
Mukhamadullin - ?

EDIT: This trade is probably not the value Buffalo would want from Power, but the thought process is that they are really interested in Musty (born close to Buffalo, hometown boy) and value him as an 1st line winger. If they don't... this deal goes to the trash bin.

Musty has the size, the talent and the age. Still unproven, but they would (in this scenario) take the bet. Power has an 7-year deal with 8.35mil signed and they have Dahlin as the 1D already with Byram being probably a cheaper option as the future 2LD or even 2D.

If Sharks need to add value, they have picks and RD in Jack Thompson to sweeten the pot.
Yes this is probably helping the Sharks more, but we've seen crazier things happen.

 

[Shark Finn]

Trade request:

SJS: Owen Power, '27 4th round pick

BUF: Quentin Musty, Mario Ferraro, '26 2nd round pick (COL)

How do you guys feel about the value? Does it help the Sharks if they get this deal through?
Can Power be our 1D of the future? Does Power 7-year deal lower or raise the price of his trade?

Terrible for the Sabres IMHO. They might be desperate but not this desperate.

 

[Forlan]

Terrible for the Sabres IMHO. They might be desperate but not this desperate.

Sure, Musty's stats in the OHL look good, but his move to the NHL is still in doubt. Buffalo won't do that.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Dang, maybe you guys are right. But I want Power! (Little kid tantrum)

There is so many great opportunities with the name like Owen Power.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Dang, maybe you guys are right. But I want Power! (Little kid tantrum)

There is so many great opportunities with the name like Owen Power.

Why do you want Power so bad? He's one of the worst defensive players in the league.

 

[Cas]

Why do you want Power so bad? He's one of the worst defensive players in the league.

Look at the size of him!

I don't really care for Power either.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Look at the size of him!

I don't really care for Power either.

There isn't a single defenseman in Buffalo worth trading for. Dahlin is the only one I'd even want on my team for free at this point, and I wouldn't pay even close to the price Buffalo would demand for him.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Why do you want Power so bad? He's one of the worst defensive players in the league.

That's a good question to be honest. Maybe I'm just really really in a rush for the Sharks to find a trade equivalent to Askarov trade but with a defencemen for the Celebrini regime.
Not sure Power is that, but he could help. At least he was drafted at a position that he should be one of the better young ones out there.

Counter question, Is there a defencemen that's a good target for a trade?

 

[weastern bias]

If you're putting Musty on the table it should be for someone who makes you better now, Owen Power is nothing but draft pedigree at this point, he hasn't accomplished anything in the NHL as an individual and he certainly hasn't made his team better, he's also quite overpaid compared to his peers based on his actual on-ice impact

 

[Juxtaposer]

That's a good question to be honest. Maybe I'm just really really in a rush for the Sharks to find a trade equivalent to Askarov trade but with a defencemen for the Celebrini regime.
Not sure Power is that, but he could help. At least he was drafted at a position that he should be one of the better young ones out there.

Counter question, Is there a defencemen that's a good target for a trade?

I don't really think there's a defenseman equivalent to Askarov out there. Getting Askarov was an incredibly unique opportunity. Teams are not in the habit of trading good young defensemen.

I'd be interested in seeing if Simon Nemec might shake loose from NJ. They have tons of RD and Nemec hasn't been great in the AHL since being sent down. He may have been passed over by Seamus Casey. Not that I think Nemec is a future #1D anymore, but a mobile #3 RHD has a ton of value. It would probably take Bystedt+ to land him though.

 

[Cas]

I don't really think there's a defenseman equivalent to Askarov out there. Getting Askarov was an incredibly unique opportunity. Teams are not in the habit of trading good young defensemen.

I'd be interested in seeing if Simon Nemec might shake loose from NJ. They have tons of RD and Nemec hasn't been great in the AHL since being sent down. He may have been passed over by Seamus Casey. Not that I think Nemec is a future #1D anymore, but a mobile #3 RHD has a ton of value. It would probably take Bystedt+ to land him though.

I'd be quite willing to trade Bystedt (a potential future 3C but in probably 60% of scenarios he fails to stick as a decent 4C) plus for a potential middle pairing RD. I can't speak to Nemec at all though, but I'd be very happy with the principle of the trade.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'd be quite willing to trade Bystedt (a potential future 3C but in probably 60% of scenarios he fails to stick as a decent 4C) plus for a potential middle pairing RD. I can't speak to Nemec at all though, but I'd be very happy with the principle of the trade.

Right, and especially if we don't land Schaefer. I value Bystedt a lot given his archetype, but someone like Nemec would be one of the few assets I'd move him for.

I'm guessing it would be next Fall that he'd shake loose, if he doesn't make the Devils and have a clear role again. We'll see, I think it's probably still a long-shot.