Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[TealManV]

Eklund-Granlund-Zetterlund
Celebrini-Couture-Smith
Goodrow-Sturm-Kunin

Cobble together a 4th line with UFAs and Cuda players.

No. That’s a 4th line.

I’ll wait to see how this plays out first. That being said, if Grier takes on that Goodrow contract without getting a quality asset for doing his buddy Drury a favor, I will consider that bad management.

 

[Hodge]

No. That’s a 4th line.

On a good team, sure.

 

[TealManV]

On a good team, sure.

And also on a bad, rebuilding team.

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

If Goodrow gets claimed I imagine Kunin doesn't even get qualified.

 

[weastern bias]

Goodrow is better than Kunin because he's responsible defensively and good on the PK

Kunin is bad at everything

 

[Juxtaposer]

According to the Post there's a handshake deal in place for the Sharks to claim Goodrow (we obviously have #1 priority):

Rangers waive Barclay Goodrow in first huge shakeup after playoff ouster

The Rangers have put one of their veteran forwards on waivers.

nypost.com

Gross. Not only is taking Goodrow off of NYR’s hands for free dumb as hell, but if this whole sham is arranged to get around Goodrow’s NTC then I want him even less.

 

[Hodge]

Gross. Not only is taking Goodrow off of NYR’s hands for free dumb as hell, but if this whole sham is arranged to get around Goodrow’s NTC then I want him even less.

He's still an elite PKer, veteran leader, two rings, plays the right way, etc. and is only overpaid by $1.5M/yr at most which we can easily absorb.

It was difficult to get players to sign with the Sharks when we were good. These kinds of shenanigans may be necessary to add anyone of note until Celebrini becomes a selling point.

 

[weastern bias]

And also on a bad, rebuilding team.

Our bottom 6 to end the year was

Bordeleau-Sturm-Guschin
Smith-Studnicka-Carpenter

Goodrow-Sturm-Kunin is as good or better than either of those lines, and much better defensively

 

[Alaskanice]

We should know soon.

 

[TealManV]

Our bottom 6 to end the year was

Bordeleau-Sturm-Guschin
Smith-Studnicka-Carpenter

Goodrow-Sturm-Kunin is as good or better than either of those lines, and much better defensively

Yeah, that would/will be a solid 4 line.

They can play behind a 3rd line of

Kostin-JGP-Atkinson

 

[Gecklund]

Mollie Walker of the New York Post mentions that there was some kind of deal with San Jose.

See but there’s a deal. Which sounds weird. So do we get like Schneider for FC?

 

[weastern bias]

Yeah, that would/will be a solid 4 line.

They can play behind a 3rd line of

Kostin-JGP-Atkinson

Those two lines are of very similar quality, your proposed line is just much more expensive

 

[Alaskanice]

See but there’s a deal. Which sounds weird. So do we get like Schneider for FC?

Wouldn’t that be nice? I’m guessing a draft pick. Or a down the line player I’ve never heard of that GMMG knows.

 

[Gecklund]

Wouldn’t that be nice? I’m guessing a draft pick. Or a down the line player I’ve never heard of that GMMG knows.

we cannot be on Goodrow LNTC because the NHLPA would absolutely put a stop to that. Like no chance Sharks do that right?

 

[Barrie22]

we cannot be on Goodrow LNTC because the NHLPA would absolutely put a stop to that. Like no chance Sharks do that right?

Nothing is stopping the rangers and Sharks from doing this potential rumour. Is it greasy and not really fitting Griers whole supposed players GM mantra? Yes very much so.

 

[Gecklund]

Nothing is stopping the rangers and Sharks from doing this potential rumour. Is it greasy and not really fitting Griers whole supposed players GM mantra? Yes very much so.

I mean the NHLPA would absolutely have an issue with it and the deal would end up getting reversed and probably draft pick penalties. It’s gotta be something else.

This is also if there is a follow up deal that the Sharks and Rangers do.

 

[Hodge]

Nothing is stopping the rangers and Sharks from doing this potential rumour. Is it greasy and not really fitting Griers whole supposed players GM mantra? Yes very much so.

It's not greasy at all. If Goodrow didn't want this exact scenario to happen his agent should have negotiated a NMC in his contract. Tough luck.

 

[Barrie22]

I mean the NHLPA would absolutely have an issue with it and the deal would end up getting reversed and probably draft pick penalties. It’s gotta be something else.

This is also if there is a follow up deal that the Sharks and Rangers do.

He has a NTC not a NMC, nothing the NHLPA can do if it happens.

And if there is a follow up move that is apparently a handshake deal, the only ones that will know it was is the 2 GM's.

 

[Gecklund]

He has a NTC not a NMC, nothing the NHLPA can do if it happens.

And if there is a follow up move that is apparently a handshake deal, the only ones that will know it was is the 2 GM's.

It’s a team taking advantage of a player. This is rather naive if you really don’t believe the PA would have a huge issue.

 

[OrrNumber4]

My bet is that Grier is simply getting Goodrow for free.

1) The value of cap space has arguably decreased a bit, with the cap going up and teams generally having better structure.
2) Goodrow isn't overpaid by that much.
3) Given how much space the Sharks have, and Grier's general demeanour, I'm guessing that he might settle for goodwill.

 

[Barrie22]

It’s a team taking advantage of a player. This is rather naive if you really don’t believe the PA would have a huge issue.

The PA can complain all they want, what is being talked about is 100% within the rules of the CBA they agreed to.

As Hodge said above, if goodrow and his agent didn't wan to play in certain cities they should have negotiated a no move clause which prohibits teams from placing the player on normal waivers.

 

[OrrNumber4]

The PA can complain all they want, what is being talked about is 100% within the rules of the CBA they agreed to.

As Hodge said above, if goodrow and his agent didn't wan to play in certain cities they should have negotiated a no move clause which prohibits teams from placing the player on normal waivers.

On the flip side...if Goodrow didn't want to be in San Jose, why would they want him? It'd be a terrible situation all-around.

 

[weastern bias]

This would be teams taking advantage of the waiver wire, which is a collectively bargained system between the league and the PA, and it exists to keep players in the NHL rather than being sent to the minors

This transaction is actually PROTECTING Goodrow from playing in the AHL, no one is being taken advantage of here

 

[Barrie22]

On the flip side...if Goodrow didn't want to be in San Jose, why would they want him? It'd be a terrible situation all-around.

Like i said it is greasy and goes against what Grier apparently stands for according to the conversation after the Couture comments from the waro hiring conference.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

It would be foolish to bring in a guy who doesn’t want to be here to be a leader and an example for young players. I doubt Grier is doing that.