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Hodge said:
Because every single team needs (at least) 7 NHL defensemen? It's a requirement to ice a roster which means there's no getting around tying up at least that many contract slots on defensemen.

Bordeleau on the other hand is completely surplus to requirements. He's not a NHL player and if we don't have enough forwards to staff the Barracuda we can always sign free agents to AHL-only contracts that don't count towards the contract limit.
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It's not hard to verify your claims before making them. Let's look at the roster really quickly. Defensemen under contract currently are Vlasic, Ferraro, Rutta, Burroughs and Benning. RFAs are Addison, Thrun and Emberson. That's 8 defensemen who played games in the NHL last year, and were pretty bad. Adding another similar player would give the Sharks 8 NHL defensemen, if you assume that Addison doesn't stay, 9 if he does, and 10 if you think that Mukhammadulin is ready. So that would be roughly 7 3rd pairing dmen, if you think that Thrun, Mukhammadulin and Ferraro can play higher up in the lineup. Of course you can't carry 10 NHL dmen on a roster if they're all healthy, so you're either going to send down Thrun and Mukhammadulin, since they're waiver exempt, or waive a couple other guys. Either way, adding another redundant bottom pairing player doesn't make sense, and certainly does not improve the team.

The forward situation is totally different. The Sharks have 7 forwards under contract (Granlund, Kostin, Sturm, Zetterlund, W. Smith and Eklund) who will play in the NHL next year if you assume that Celebrini signs as well. The RFAs are Kunin, Studnicka, Zadina and Bordeleau. Probably safe to assume that Studnicka isn't retained, but Kunin is. You also have Givani Smith under contract, and guys like Graf, Guschin, maybe Bystedt, Edstrom and Musty vying for roster spots. Best case scenario is 8 NHL ready caliber forwards, with a handful of prospects and UFA signings filling out the rest. So really, the Sharks are not overwhelmingly stocked with NHL level players up front. Bordeleau has had some success at the NHL level, even if you say he's not an NHL player, and Bordeleau can step in at the NHL level if he earns it, or play at the AHL level, and most likely be better than any AAAA players the Sharks might sign to play with the Barracuda. You're not making a compelling argument for getting rid of him. If it's just your opinion that Bordeleau is bad, and you want him off the team, then that's acceptable. But if you're going to make a fact based argument, you have to back it up with more than that.
 
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Lebanezer said:
It's not hard to verify your claims before making them. Let's look at the roster really quickly. Defensemen under contract currently are Vlasic, Ferraro, Rutta, Burroughs and Benning. RFAs are Addison, Thrun and Emberson. That's 8 defensemen who played games in the NHL last year, and were pretty bad. Adding another similar player would give the Sharks 8 NHL defensemen, if you assume that Addison doesn't stay, 9 if he does, and 10 if you think that Mukhammadulin is ready. So that would be roughly 7 3rd pairing dmen, if you think that Thrun, Mukhammadulin and Ferraro can play higher up in the lineup. Of course you can't carry 10 NHL dmen on a roster if they're all healthy, so you're either going to send down Thrun and Mukhammadulin, since they're waiver exempt, or waive a couple other guys. Either way, adding another redundant bottom pairing player doesn't make sense, and certainly does not improve the team.

The forward situation is totally different. The Sharks have 7 forwards under contract (Granlund, Kostin, Sturm, Zetterlund, W. Smith and Eklund) who will play in the NHL next year if you assume that Celebrini signs as well. The RFAs are Kunin, Studnicka, Zadina and Bordeleau. Probably safe to assume that Studnicka isn't retained, but Kunin is. You also have Givani Smith under contract, and guys like Graf, Guschin, maybe Bystedt, Edstrom and Musty vying for roster spots. Best case scenario is 8 NHL ready caliber forwards, with a handful of prospects and UFA signings filling out the rest. So really, the Sharks are not overwhelmingly stocked with NHL level players up front. Bordeleau has had some success at the NHL level, even if you say he's not an NHL player, and Bordeleau can step in at the NHL level if he earns it, or play at the AHL level, and most likely be better than any AAAA players the Sharks might sign to play with the Barracuda. You're not making a compelling argument for getting rid of him. If it's just your opinion that Bordeleau is bad, and you want him off the team, then that's acceptable. But if you're going to make a fact based argument, you have to back it up with more than that.
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It's the first week of June. Why are you referring to "the forward situation" as if it's set in stone a month before free agency even begins? Of course we need more forwards but they need to be proven NHL veterans, not butter soft career minor leaguers like Bordeleau. We absolutely must sign or trade for at least 4 NHL forwards in addition to retaining Kunin and Zadina. Once we do that there will be no more spots available on the NHL club.

Thrun and Mukhamadullin have done nothing to prove they deserve NHL jobs out of camp. Vlasic should be bought out and Addison shouldn't even be a consideration to QO. So now we're down to 5: Ferraro, Rutta, Burroughs, Benning and Emberson. Adding more NHL defensemen isn't redundant, it's necessary. It forces Thrun and Mukhamadullin to take an established veteran's job instead of just being handed a spot.

My opinion is and has always been that Bordeleau is bad and I want him off the team. IMO he has no chance of ever becoming a useful NHL player so any ice time or development staff attention devoted to him is a complete waste of Sharks resources that can be better deployed towards improving Cardwell, Graf, Bystedt and other Barracuda forwards who might actually have a chance of helping the Sharks on the ice or as a trade asset in the future. The contract slot thing is a small ancillary benefit to non-tendering Bordeleau that you've blown out of proportion for some reason.
 
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Hodge said:
It's the first week of June. Why are you referring to "the forward situation" as if it's set in stone a month before free agency even begins? Of course we need more forwards but they need to be proven NHL veterans, not butter soft career minor leaguers like Bordeleau. We absolutely must sign or trade for at least 4 NHL forwards in addition to retaining Kunin and Zadina. Once we do that there will be no more spots available on the NHL club.

Thrun and Mukhamadullin have done nothing to prove they deserve NHL jobs out of camp. Vlasic should be bought out and Addison shouldn't even be a consideration to QO. So now we're down to 5: Ferraro, Rutta, Burroughs, Benning and Emberson. Adding more NHL defensemen isn't redundant, it's necessary. It forces Thrun and Mukhamadullin to take an established veteran's job instead of just being handed a spot.

My opinion is and has always been that Bordeleau is bad and I want him off the team. IMO he has no chance of ever becoming a useful NHL player so any ice time or development staff attention devoted to him is a complete waste of Sharks resources that can be better deployed towards improving Cardwell, Graf, Bystedt and other Barracuda forwards who might actually have a chance of helping the Sharks on the ice or as a trade asset in the future. The contract slot thing is a small ancillary benefit to non-tendering Bordeleau that you've blown out of proportion for some reason.
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I brought up the situation as it currently is, your whole argument is predicated on unrealistic hypotheticals. Yet, you seem to think you’re stating facts. We don’t know if Vlasic will be bought our or Addison not qualified. Thrun and Mukhamadullin will be fighting for jobs in camp, yet you’re ready to say they won’t earn them.

We can let this end here, no reason to go any further.
 
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I saw a post over on the Wings board that their GM was interested in Zetts. Given what's being toss around in a thread about Farabee's worth. What do you think we could get for Zetterlund. What does Zetts with either one or both of picks 33 & 42?
 
Groo said:
I saw a post over on the Wings board that their GM was interested in Zetts. Given what's being toss around in a thread about Farabee's worth. What do you think we could get for Zetterlund. What does Zetts with either one or both of picks 33 & 42?
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I don't see a compelling reason to move Zetterlund right now. Even their 15th overall would not exactly wow me.
 
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Groo said:
I saw a post over on the Wings board that their GM was interested in Zetts. Given what's being toss around in a thread about Farabee's worth. What do you think we could get for Zetterlund. What does Zetts with either one or both of picks 33 & 42?
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If they were willing to move #15 for Zetterlund and Brandsegg-Nygard were available, I’d really think about it. I think MBN is everything we love about Zetterlund but bigger and better. Super NHL-ready too, likely hits the NHL in 2025-2026.

Honestly the biggest thing holding me back is his friendship with Eklund. Maybe Eklund is the new Couture where all his friends are traded away. :laugh:
 
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Zetterlund is close to one of our stars, has lots of qualities Grier likes, is the right age and showed a ton of growth, I’m not sure trading him excites me unless it’s something significant. Like their 1st rounder has a better chance of yielding us a worse player than a better player.
 
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LadyStanley said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1798796122858602518

Seravalli does not think Kunin his worth is $3m QO as a RFA.

Where else might the Sharks have to pay to get to floor?
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I may not like Seravalli, but hes very right. You could sign anyone to a dumb contract, but they should be playable and add something to the team.

one2gamble said:
I wouldnt move him, the Sharks need NHL talent in the roster. Hes pretty cheap, effective, good attitude, appears to have a good relationship with Ek.
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We are all debating ways to add Forwards to play with the younglings so I dont see any reason we give up one of our 2 NHL quality wingers that can play
 
one2gamble said:
I wouldnt move him, the Sharks need NHL talent in the roster. Hes pretty cheap, effective, good attitude, appears to have a good relationship with Ek.
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I find it hard that anyone would want to trade Zetterlund in the offseason unless you got offered an absurd trade proposal.

The Lund line should essentially be a lock going into the season.
 
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Anomie2029 said:
I find it hard that anyone would want to trade Zetterlund in the offseason unless you got offered an absurd trade proposal.

The Lund line should essentially be a lock going into the season.
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The only thing I would consider is for a #1D. I don't see that happening so Zetterlund seems like a safe player to think will stay. I'm more interested in what his extension could look like. If he has another 20+ goal season, I wonder if the team would consider investing a long term contract with him.
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
The only thing I would consider is for a #1D. I don't see that happening so Zetterlund seems like a safe player to think will stay. I'm more interested in what his extension could look like. If he has another 20+ goal season, I wonder if the team would consider investing a long term contract with him.
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Something in the $5 million, 5 year range? That's not too far from Oliver Bjorkstrand, who was in a broadly similar position as Zetterlund (in this hypothetical) will be. That might be a little more than I'd want to pay for a top nine winger, but I think its affordable and broadly fair.
 
Cas said:
Something in the $5 million, 5 year range? That's not too far from Oliver Bjorkstrand, who was in a broadly similar position as Zetterlund (in this hypothetical) will be. That might be a little more than I'd want to pay for a top nine winger, but I think its affordable and broadly fair.
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Might be a bit of an overpay but a consistent middle six winger seems to be getting that sort of pay figure these days and it wouldn't surprise me if that number starts to go up as well.
 
Jargon said:
Bordeleau still smells like DW Jr, it drives him into a rage
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Hodge said:
It would be a disaster. Guentzel will be 30 before the season starts and is looking for 9M+ on a 7 year deal. That contract will age like milk.

We just got done purging most of these contracts from our books. Let's not add a new one.
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Not only that, but it's not like he was very productive anytime Crosby and Malkin were injured. I don't want a high priced support player who turns 30
 
Yea I like Guentzel at 3 years or less - even in an overpay

But if Guentzel wants to take the safe road with a 7 year contract then we should stay away.
 
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