Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Juxtaposer]

What type of player is Mukhamadullin projected to be like? I'm curious what type of comparisons there are out there... I've read a wide range of comparisons from Sanheim to Zadorov to Doughty...

What do u guys think?

Does he have potential to put up decent points?

Can he run the PP?

More of a shut down/physical type player?

He's always intrigued me as a prospect from what I read but I haven't ever seen him play

To me, Mukhamadullin projects as a good middle pairing defenseman who can play two-ways but will neither be relied on in shutdown situations nor important offensive moments. He’s a great skater, especially for his size, doesn’t shy away from contact, but isn’t overly physical by any means. He’s got a bomb of a shot and is perfectly comfortable carrying the puck in transition but he doesn’t have high-end playmaking abilities so I don’t think he’ll be a true PPQB. More of a trigger man or QB the 2nd unit. He has some work to do on defensive positioning but defends well on the rush. Feels like a player who is going to take two-theee years to really “figure it out”, though I’m hoping to be wrong about that.

 

[Gecklund]

To me, Mukhamadullin projects as a good middle pairing defenseman who can play two-ways but will neither be relied on in shutdown situations nor important offensive moments. He’s a great skater, especially for his size, doesn’t shy away from contact, but isn’t overly physical by any means. He’s got a bomb of a shot and is perfectly comfortable carrying the puck in transition but he doesn’t have high-end playmaking abilities so I don’t think he’ll be a true PPQB. More of a trigger man or QB the 2nd unit. He has some work to do on defensive positioning but defends well on the rush. Feels like a player who is going to take two-theee years to really “figure it out”, though I’m hoping to be wrong about that.

Mukh reminds me a bit of like Erik Cernak.

 

[TealManV]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798449355642270092

Pagnotta mentions Sean Walker as a target. Also says Sharks are interested in adding “a” defenseman.

 

[pappaf2]

Would GMMG want a 5’11” dman?

 

[themelkman]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798449355642270092

Pagnotta mentions Sean Walker as a target. Also says Sharks are interested in adding “a” defenseman.

Isnt walker kinda bad? Would rather not do a long term deal with a guy like that, if we could keep it to a 2 year sure

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Isnt walker kinda bad? Would rather not do a long term deal with a guy like that, if we could keep it to a 2 year sure

He's basically just a higher value Burroughs/Benning. At that point, Grier would be MUCH better off bringing back Dilly or Dilly. Or both. Or even signing a guy like Zadorov to an overpriced deal because he's an incredibly effective player.

Grier should have the league by the balls right now but if he starts handing out Burroughs like contracts (completely useless fillers) but pricier because they have more cap and are looking to be more competitive, the league will have him by the balls again. FA is a main concern for MG because out of all of the FA's he's signed only Sturm hasn't turned out to be awful.

 

[themelkman]

He's basically just a higher value Burroughs/Benning. At that point, Grier would be MUCH better off bringing back Dilly or Dilly. Or both. Or even signing a guy like Zadorov to an overpriced deal because he's an incredibly effective player.

Grier should have the league by the balls right now but if he starts handing out Burroughs like contracts (completely useless fillers) but pricier because they have more cap and are looking to be more competitive, the league will have him by the balls again. FA is a main concern for MG because out of all of the FA's he's signed only Sturm hasn't turned out to be awful.

Yeah luckily right now bad value deals wont matter, but if he continues down this path it will hurt the team sooner or later.

 

[Hodge]

God forbid Mike Grier continue down the franchise-crippling path of signing 3rd pair defensemen to completely buriable contracts.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Rumor's a rumor, and spitballing really. But it'd be cool

 

[Hodge]

Rumor's a rumor, and spitballing really. But it'd be cool

It would be a disaster. Guentzel will be 30 before the season starts and is looking for 9M+ on a 7 year deal. That contract will age like milk.

We just got done purging most of these contracts from our books. Let's not add a new one.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

It would be a disaster. Guentzel will be 30 before the season starts and is looking for 9M+ on a 7 year deal. That contract will age like milk.

We just got done purging most of these contracts from our books. Let's not add a new one.

If he demands that contract, then we'll gladly pass. I do like the idea behind this though. We need actual top 6 vets if/when Celebrni goes pro and when Smith makes the team.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Man the rumor mills started EARLY

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798508628317766139

 

[Sendhelplease]

If he demands that contract, then we'll gladly pass. I do like the idea behind this though. We need actual top 6 vets if/when Celebrni goes pro and when Smith makes the team.

I did see someone's armchair GM on capfriendly where they signed Guentzel to 3 years 12 million a year. That would be the dream for me. I doubt Guentzel would sign it because it would mean he is a UFA at 33 but I would not mind doing a ludicrous overpay on a top UFA this year on very short term.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

I did see someone's armchair GM on capfriendly where they signed Guentzel to 3 years 12 million a year. That would be the dream for me. I doubt Guentzel would sign it because it would mean he is a UFA at 33 but I would not mind doing a ludicrous overpay on a top UFA this year on very short term.

We know Grier isn't handing out long contracts if his pressers are anything to go by. 3 years for Guentzel would be neato.

 

[STL Shark]

He's basically just a higher value Burroughs/Benning. At that point, Grier would be MUCH better off bringing back Dilly or Dilly. Or both. Or even signing a guy like Zadorov to an overpriced deal because he's an incredibly effective player.

Grier should have the league by the balls right now but if he starts handing out Burroughs like contracts (completely useless fillers) but pricier because they have more cap and are looking to be more competitive, the league will have him by the balls again. FA is a main concern for MG because out of all of the FA's he's signed only Sturm hasn't turned out to be awful.

He moves the puck vastly superior to those guys and is a more complete player than Dillon (who would look horrible without a puck moving partner - as he always has even in his stint with SJ).

He fills a need as a more rounded 2 way D-Man that shoots right handed and shouldn’t command an overly burdensome contract (3-4 years in the $4.5M range based on AFP projection). Doesn’t fill the need of top pairing guy, but nobody attainable on the UFA list really does either. Walker would be fine as a #4, but will be asked to do more in SJ. He’s better than the group of #6/7 guys though so it’s a step in the right direction during this weird transition phase.

 

[themelkman]

I did see someone's armchair GM on capfriendly where they signed Guentzel to 3 years 12 million a year. That would be the dream for me. I doubt Guentzel would sign it because it would mean he is a UFA at 33 but I would not mind doing a ludicrous overpay on a top UFA this year on very short term.

I just dont see it with a salary that high, hes nearly impossible to trade and will never be able to get dealt to a cup contender which he would be hoping for.

Think there isnt much sense to that one in our current position unless he takes the Taylor Hall special 1x8

 

[Lebanezer]

God forbid Mike Grier continue down the franchise-crippling path of signing 3rd pair defensemen to completely buriable contracts.

So you’re cool with using contract slots on redundant players with minimal upside, but not Thomas Bordeleau, who is waiver exempt and will make close to league minimum?

 

[Jargon]

So you’re cool with using contract slots on redundant players with minimal upside, but not Thomas Bordeleau, who is waiver exempt and will make close to league minimum?

Bordeleau still smells like DW Jr, it drives him into a rage

 

[weastern bias]

Kyle Burroughs good

Jake Guentzel bad

Riveting

 

[SjMilhouse]

I'm excited for when Grier actually starts building the team out. The freak outs on here are going to be next level

 

[Hodge]

So you’re cool with using contract slots on redundant players with minimal upside, but not Thomas Bordeleau, who is waiver exempt and will make close to league minimum?

How are Benning and Burroughs "redundant" when we can't dress a full NHL defense without them? If one or both weren't Sharks we would need to acquire other NHL defensemen to replace them.

Kyle Burroughs good

Jake Guentzel bad

Riveting

What's riveting is that the salary cap has existed for 20 years now and somehow there are still hockey fans like you out there who don't understand it.

 

[Lebanezer]

How are Benning and Burroughs "redundant" when we can't dress a full NHL defense without them? If one or both weren't Sharks we would need to acquire other NHL defensemen to replace them.

You said 3rd pairing defensemen, which all of the Sharks defensemen pretty much are. Sharks need to target a different caliber of player. You also weren’t talking about getting rid of them, you were talking about signing an additional 3rd pairing defenseman.

The primary issue with what you said is the idea that acquiring more contracts that can be buried is totally fine. Meanwhile, if we’re talking about Bordeleau, who probably won’t even need to be buried, the Sharks shouldn’t waste the contract slot. Why is adding a veteran 3rd pairing defenseman with a contract that can be buried okay, but re-signing a younger prospect, who has shown both positive and negative flashes, is waiver exempt, can help a struggling AHL team, and might even become an NHL regular, not?

 

[weastern bias]

What's riveting is that the salary cap has existed for 20 years now and somehow there are still hockey fans like you out there who don't understand it.

We all can't be as smart as the guy who thinks Filip Zadina has utility as a bottom-6 role player

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

To be fair.i think Walker is a 2nd pairing guy in any other team and would be really nice to have considering the junk we iced this past season. He's better than some of our guys on the blue line and address what we need: a guy that can move the puck out of the zone and transition.

The UFA class for D is pretty nice though: Carrier, Pesce, Skjei, Chatfield, Walker, Kylington, and maybe Zadorov. Will we actually get anything of notr? I dunno, but Grier's gonna try

 

[Hodge]

You said 3rd pairing defensemen, which all of the Sharks defensemen pretty much are. Sharks need to target a different caliber of player. You also weren’t talking about getting rid of them, you were talking about signing an additional 3rd pairing defenseman.

The primary issue with what you said is the idea that acquiring more contracts that can be buried is totally fine. Meanwhile, if we’re talking about Bordeleau, who probably won’t even need to be buried, the Sharks shouldn’t waste the contract slot. Why is adding a veteran 3rd pairing defenseman with a contract that can be buried okay, but re-signing a younger prospect, who has shown both positive and negative flashes, is waiver exempt, can help a struggling AHL team, and might even become an NHL regular, not?

Because every single team needs (at least) 7 NHL defensemen? It's a requirement to ice a roster which means there's no getting around tying up at least that many contract slots on defensemen.

Bordeleau on the other hand is completely surplus to requirements. He's not a NHL player and if we don't have enough forwards to staff the Barracuda we can always sign free agents to AHL-only contracts that don't count towards the contract limit.

We all can't be as smart as the guy who thinks Filip Zadina has utility as a bottom-6 role player

If the Sharks don't qualify Zadina some other team will sign him to be a bottom 6 role player for them. Because that's what he is.