Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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If only NJ beat Carolina last year...could have had a pick in the 10-15 range this year + the Pens/Vegas unprotected picks next year. Ugh.
It's really something when you think about just how much luck goes into determining the level of success of a rebuild. Not just the picks/players and their development, and not even just the ping pong balls, but lots of other factors, too.

As a Sharks fan, I'm not particularly comfortable relying that much on fortune, but not much else we can do!
 
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It's really something when you think about just how much luck goes into determining the level of success of a rebuild. Not just the picks/players and their development, and not even just the ping pong balls, but lots of other factors, too.

As a Sharks fan, I'm not particularly comfortable relying that much on fortune, but not much else we can do!
The NJ would have been top 10 protected this year so it could have been a potential 3 unprotected 1sts in 2025.
 
I have a feeling Eklund will be the next big name shipped out, probably for a defenseman. He's not one of Grier's guys.
 
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I have a feeling Eklund will be the next big name shipped out, probably for a defenseman. He's not one of Grier's guys.
Why would you think that? He's holding his own at C in his age 21 year on an ELC. he's fast and hard to play against. I think Grier isn't just eliminating anyone who he didn't draft. Maybe he might be at risk if we draft 4 high potential forwards in the next 2 years and he's coming up to his RFA, like a Zegras type situation where he signs a bridge deal rather than a long term deal, but it would be premature to trade Eklund now as all signs point to his value going up and up in the next 3-4 seasons.
 
Is it being silly to think that Emberson has top-4 potential? From all the defensemen who have gotten decent looks, he's impressed me the most.
He definitely looked the part earlier in the year before his first injury that kept him out for a while. I don't think he was able to rediscover that form, though, which is understandable since he's been in and out with more issues.

At his best, though, he showed that he was pretty tough to play against while also being a competent puck-mover. Not much offensive potential, so 4 is probably his ceiling, but I'm hopeful he can solidify his place next season. And if we're thinking of partners for Mukhamadullin next year, you could do worse than Emberson (maybe Benning depending on how he rebounds, but we'll see about that).
 
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I have a feeling Eklund will be the next big name shipped out, probably for a defenseman. He's not one of Grier's guys.

This doesn’t make any sense to me. He plays exactly how Grier wants his guys to play, he’s now excelling as a center, he’s beloved by the fanbase. The only way I can see it happening is in a Thornton-esque, franchise-changing trade. A Hughes is available or something. Otherwise, Eklund, to me, is a key cog of the rebuild.
 
This doesn’t make any sense to me. He plays exactly how Grier wants his guys to play, he’s now excelling as a center, he’s beloved by the fanbase. The only way I can see it happening is in a Thornton-esque, franchise-changing trade. A Hughes is available or something. Otherwise, Eklund, to me, is a key cog of the rebuild.
I think it's more that the Sharks look like they'll have a lot of forward depth, and not much defensive depth. So trading from a position of strength to fix an area of weakness makes sense, and Eklund isn't one of Grier's guys so he might be disadvantaged.
 
This doesn’t make any sense to me. He plays exactly how Grier wants his guys to play, he’s now excelling as a center, he’s beloved by the fanbase. The only way I can see it happening is in a Thornton-esque, franchise-changing trade. A Hughes is available or something. Otherwise, Eklund, to me, is a key cog of the rebuild.
I do think it matters that Eklund plays so hard and has clearly improved things like his strength; these are elements that make him a great role model for other guys coming through the system, particularly someone like Smith, who is of a similar build and will need to develop that fight in his game.

It also can't hurt that the Sharks now have several young Swedish prospects near the top of their system. Within a couple years Eklund might go from being a kid himself to a veteran mentor. It's also appealing that he's shown an ability to succeed already at center. Having that versatility could be really useful, especially if we don't win the lottery and get our hopeful 1C of the future in Celebrini.
 
This doesn’t make any sense to me. He plays exactly how Grier wants his guys to play, he’s now excelling as a center, he’s beloved by the fanbase. The only way I can see it happening is in a Thornton-esque, franchise-changing trade. A Hughes is available or something. Otherwise, Eklund, to me, is a key cog of the rebuild.
Beloved by the fan base seems quite strong. He’s the only only young prospect with a pedigree that’s made a notable contribution on the Sharks; and while I don’t claim to have a pulse on all of Sharks fandom; what exactly has he accomplished or proven in his career 78 games, or… checks notes… 37 points, that has earned “beloved” status.

Yea he’s looked good (not amazing). Yes there’s potential (not elite franchise player potential). And he plays the right way (in so much as his stature allows). I’m hopeful and optimistic he will be a difference maker, but let’s be reality here, he hasn’t proven much other than he can put up middle 6 offensive numbers on a bad team.
 
Beloved by the fan base seems quite strong. He’s the only only young prospect with a pedigree that’s made a notable contribution on the Sharks; and while I don’t claim to have a pulse on all of Sharks fandom; what exactly has he accomplished or proven in his career 78 games, or… checks notes… 37 points, that has earned “beloved” status.

Yea he’s looked good (not amazing). Yes there’s potential (not elite franchise player potential). And he plays the right way (in so much as his stature allows). I’m hopeful and optimistic he will be a difference maker, but let’s be reality here, he hasn’t proven much other than he can put up middle 6 offensive numbers on a bad team.

Maybe beloved is a strong word but he’s like.. the only player on the team that is in any way exciting, currently.

I just don’t really see him being traded unless, again, it’s like a young #1 D.
 
Maybe beloved is a strong word but he’s like.. the only player on the team that is in any way exciting, currently.

I just don’t really see him being traded unless, again, it’s like a young #1 D.
I was nitpicking. I largely agree with you; I don’t see him being traded unless for a young #1D type.

He’s a nice piece, if not necessarily to “build around”, a key part of the next core. If he ends up a pesky three zone top 6 winger good for 50-60pts on both special teams units that’s a really nice player to have.

Also, as far as “beloved” goes, he can totally get there; he has the skill and drive to be a special player. It’ll help too if he has some big moments. Probably the fastest player that I’ve seen reach that level of fan adoration was Hertl. The big goofy 19 year old baby face, the four goals and between the legs, the Pokimon backpacks, “fun must be always” and “Ijustgotothespotjumbotellsmeandthenwhenhepassesitishoottheyplayedahardgametonightbutwesticktoourgameandplaythrightwaytogetthewintommywingels” interviews.
 
I was nitpicking. I largely agree with you; I don’t see him being traded unless for a young #1D type.

He’s a nice piece, if not necessarily to “build around”, a key part of the next core. If he ends up a pesky three zone top 6 winger good for 50-60pts on both special teams units that’s a really nice player to have.

Also, as far as “beloved” goes, he can totally get there; he has the skill and drive to be a special player. It’ll help too if he has some big moments. Probably the fastest player that I’ve seen reach that level of fan adoration was Hertl. The big goofy 19 year old baby face, the four goals and between the legs, the Pokimon backpacks, “fun must be always” and “Ijustgotothespotjumbotellsmeandthenwhenhepassesitishoottheyplayedahardgametonightbutwesticktoourgameandplaythrightwaytogetthewintommywingels” interviews.

Hahah, yeah, I think the Mt Rushmore of beloved sharks players reached it in different ways:

Hertl: adorable, eager
Joe: superstar, funny goofball but superstsr
Marleau: grew up with the franchise
Pavs: amazing leader in every way
Burns: sort of Joe-like

I think Eklund is sort of the first glimmer of hope for the new inception of this organization and I personally do want to see how he grows with it. He’s a likable kid and damn talented - I think next year he’s going to surprise us with his performance, especially if he’s got some skill to play with.

I still wonder if he’s a winger or a center…
 
Why would you think that? He's holding his own at C in his age 21 year on an ELC. he's fast and hard to play against. I think Grier isn't just eliminating anyone who he didn't draft. Maybe he might be at risk if we draft 4 high potential forwards in the next 2 years and he's coming up to his RFA, like a Zegras type situation where he signs a bridge deal rather than a long term deal, but it would be premature to trade Eklund now as all signs point to his value going up and up in the next 3-4 seasons.
I guess it's a few things for me. I doubt Grier sees Eklund as a center long term, I think we're going to be almost "forced" to draft forwards with our own 1sts the next couple of years just based on where those picks are likely to land, Grier has established a pattern of clearing out the players and prospects he inherited so if one of the surplus forwards gets traded for a defenseman it's probably going to be Eklund and I just don't think Eklund is the type of player Grier prefers to build around as a small, non physical winger who isn't very fast. Similar reasons as to why Verbeek in Anaheim is likely to trade Zegras as well.
 
We also have to remember that it's the first full year with Eklund here, he is getting used to the league and now with Hertl gone/Couture LTIR he is taking a very big responsibility right away. Let's give him time before talking trades, see what he has to give before going other route.
 
I guess it's a few things for me. I doubt Grier sees Eklund as a center long term, I think we're going to be almost "forced" to draft forwards with our own 1sts the next couple of years just based on where those picks are likely to land, Grier has established a pattern of clearing out the players and prospects he inherited so if one of the surplus forwards gets traded for a defenseman it's probably going to be Eklund and I just don't think Eklund is the type of player Grier prefers to build around as a small, non physical winger who isn't very fast. Similar reasons as to why Verbeek in Anaheim is likely to trade Zegras as well.
I actually agree with your logic.

Eventually the D need to be addressed. They can’t keep drafting FWs and not make any moves to fix the D. They absolutely should draft BPA but until the team starts winning it is not about building a team it is about accumulating assets. Once MG decides to start building a winning team it is about using those assets to build the best team.

If the Sharks get lucky and win the lottery the next 2 years they will have Celebrini, Smith, Hagens. There eventually gets to a point where there are diminishing returns for having 1C prospects. At that point one of those should be moved to upgrade the D.
 
I actually agree with your logic.

Eventually the D need to be addressed. They can’t keep drafting FWs and not make any moves to fix the D. They absolutely should draft BPA but until the team starts winning it is not about building a team it is about accumulating assets. Once MG decides to start building a winning team it is about using those assets to build the best team.

If the Sharks get lucky and win the lottery the next 2 years they will have Celebrini, Smith, Hagens. There eventually gets to a point where there are diminishing returns for having 1C prospects. At that point one of those should be moved to upgrade the D.
If the sharks draft Celebrini and Hagens, it's just as likely that Smith or Hagens are out the door as Eklund. They'll probably be better prospects at that point and would return an even better D, if that's what we're going for.

I don't disagree that if we draft well for C, Eklund might be pushed to undersized winger status, and yes, Zegras comp might be accurate, but Zegras is still with the Ducks 5 years after his draft, and signed a bridge deal. So the comparable timeline for Eklund is still on the team but on the chopping block in 2026. That's still a lot of time from now.
 
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Before we considering trading Eklund we need to actually draft those guys to take his spot. For all we know we could end up with Levshunov and Martone out of the next 2 drafts.
 
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Before we considering trading Eklund we need to actually draft those guys to take his spot. For all we know we could end up with Levshunov and Martone out of the next 2 drafts.
Absolutely. It’s just a lesson to fans not to get attached to these prospects or buy their jerseys until the team switches from asset accumulation to actually building a team.
 
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Absolutely. It’s just a lesson to fans not to get attached to these prospects or buy their jerseys until the team switches from asset accumulation to actually building a team.
While I agree, I am fully getting a Smith jersey when he joins the sharks simply because I have none left that are current players:(
 
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I guess it's a few things for me. I doubt Grier sees Eklund as a center long term, I think we're going to be almost "forced" to draft forwards with our own 1sts the next couple of years just based on where those picks are likely to land, Grier has established a pattern of clearing out the players and prospects he inherited so if one of the surplus forwards gets traded for a defenseman it's probably going to be Eklund and I just don't think Eklund is the type of player Grier prefers to build around as a small, non physical winger who isn't very fast. Similar reasons as to why Verbeek in Anaheim is likely to trade Zegras as well.
There are far different issues between Zegras and Eklund though. Zegras plays a very offense only perimeter game and isn't much beyond that while Eklund has been lauded as a true two way player that does all the little things with high hockey IQ and stuff. That's why I think it is highly doubtful that he is moved.

I also don't think he's the piece you "build around" if things go according to plan. He's 100% part of the core moving forward, but that core ideally includes Celebrini, Smith, Muk, Eklund, and Musty rather than relying upon Eklund to be the superstar player that everything is built around. He profiles as a solid top 6 forward that you covet as an organization rather than the main piece. Eklund is probably more Jeff Skinner than Nikita Kucherov (ironically drafted 7th overall like Skinner), which is fine assuming he's paid accordingly long-term rather than Skinner who Buffalo got out over their skis with on contract extension.
 
There are far different issues between Zegras and Eklund though. Zegras plays a very offense only perimeter game and isn't much beyond that while Eklund has been lauded as a true two way player that does all the little things with high hockey IQ and stuff. That's why I think it is highly doubtful that he is moved.

I also don't think he's the piece you "build around" if things go according to plan. He's 100% part of the core moving forward, but that core ideally includes Celebrini, Smith, Muk, Eklund, and Musty rather than relying upon Eklund to be the superstar player that everything is built around. He profiles as a solid top 6 forward that you covet as an organization rather than the main piece. Eklund is probably more Jeff Skinner than Nikita Kucherov (ironically drafted 7th overall like Skinner), which is fine assuming he's paid accordingly long-term rather than Skinner who Buffalo got out over their skis with on contract extension.
If we’re doing comps Jeff Skinner is a lot closer to Zegras than Eklund. I don’t see Eklund and Skinner as similar players whatsoever. IMO Eklund could be like a smaller, more shifty Phillip Danault if he continues to develop.
 
If we’re doing comps Jeff Skinner is a lot closer to Zegras than Eklund. I don’t see Eklund and Skinner as similar players whatsoever. IMO Eklund could be like a smaller, more shifty Phillip Danault if he continues to develop.
Wasn't speaking in play style. Was speaking in caliber of player.
 
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I feel like Granlund has taken ownership of this team in such a positive, amazing way that I would consider signing him after next year. He’s got Captain vibes right now, really carrying the kids. He also seems to be doing a lot of teaching - I really dig him.

Seems like he filled the Couture vacuum.
 

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