Speculation: 2023-24-25-26 Sharks Roster Discussion

[BaybayShark]

 

[TheBeard]

Anyways, MG go get Harley now

No. That contract is gonna age worse than Nurse's

 

[one2gamble]

What can be done really? There’s no way they can cba them out of existence. A player should have some ability to protect themselves in their careers.

I mean they 100% could, it would be ugly and they won't but they have locked out the players before

 

[ChompChomp]

I love the idea from Hodge, so I'm rolling with it. Going bold with offer sheet to Edvinsson, 8x$13M-15M AAV. Solid shot of no match from Detroit.

Giving 4 out of the next 5 first round picks is steep, but I can see Grier doing it if he has faith that since last season with a terrible D they only missed the playoffs by 4 points, that he believes that the Sharks will be a playoff team in at least 4 of the next 5 seasons, so for those years the 1st round pick will be likely 20 or lower. And that one year you miss and are lottery team you keep the pick.

Meanwhile, your long term D top 4 is

Edvinsson - Verhoeff
Dickinson - Lin

If Edvinsson keep developing as he has and Verhoeff hits, that's your Niedermeyer - Progner right there. A dynasty making move at what could very well only cost 4 firsts that are in the 20-30 OA range.

 

[pappaf2]

Great player, 24 years of age, fits our rebuild and needs. They could use the capspace to re-sign Robo and use the picks to replace Harley. Everybody wins!!!

Mukh, Musty, 2nd? (Could be a protected first I suppose) Mg throws in 25 minutes of ufa negotiation time with Mario

 

[TheBeard]

I love the idea from Hodge, so I'm rolling with it. Going bold with offer sheet to Edvinsson, 8x$13M-15M AAV. Solid shot of no match from Detroit.

Giving 4 out of the next 5 first round picks is steep, but I can see Grier doing it if he has faith that since last season with a terrible D they only missed the playoffs by 4 points, that he believes that the Sharks will be a playoff team in at least 4 of the next 5 seasons, so for those years the 1st round pick will be likely 20 or lower. And that one year you miss and are lottery team you keep the pick.

Meanwhile, your long term D top 4 is

Edvinsson - Verhoeff
Dickinson - Lin

If Edvinsson keep developing as he has and Verhoeff hits, that's your Niedermeyer - Progner right there. A dynasty making move at what could very well only cost 4 firsts that are in the 20-30 OA range.

Too much draft capital to give up with too many unknowns still on the roster. Simon may be good but those 4 firsts may ultimately get us the missing pieces.

 

[pappaf2]

What can be done really? There’s no way they can cba them out of existence. A player should have some ability to protect themselves in their careers.

I feel like there could be a limit to how many NMC/NTC a team could have on the books at any given time. Also could set limits to how many teams they can have on their do not trade list and also mandate that half of the options they will allow trade are in each conference so it doesn’t pigeon hole teams but does allow for some control

 

[TimAllen]

Man that American Olympic Team was really full of losers

 

[Juxtaposer]

I still think Marcus Pettersson is a really good option as a Ferraro replacement. Especially if it doesn’t break the bank to bring him in. Something around Bystedt would be great.

 

[ChompChomp]

Too much draft capital to give up with too many unknowns still on the roster. Simon may be good but those 4 firsts may ultimately get us the missing pieces.

Firsts can be recouped other ways, just like how we saw trading Eklund got us an extra first.

(I'd of course rather trade for him first, but if that doesn't work, offer sheet him)

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I mean they 100% could, it would be ugly and they won't but they have locked out the players before

I don’t see what the owners could offer for the players to accept that unless they give up the cap.

I feel like there could be a limit to how many NMC/NTC a team could have on the books at any given time. Also could set limits to how many teams they can have on their do not trade list and also mandate that half of the options they will allow trade are in each conference so it doesn’t pigeon hole teams but does allow for some control

They’d still have to get the players to agree to that in the cba which I don’t think the owners have the leverage to accomplish.

 

[Star Platinum]

No. That contract is gonna age worse than Nurse's

When Harley's contract expires, he'll be only one year older than Nurse is NOW. Nurse will be 35 when his contract expires.

 

[KirbyDots]

I still think Marcus Pettersson is a really good option as a Ferraro replacement. Especially if it doesn’t break the bank to bring him in. Something around Bystedt would be great.

Hell of a lot more tolerable than Reilly or Nurse.

 

[KirbyDots]

I love the idea from Hodge, so I'm rolling with it. Going bold with offer sheet to Edvinsson, 8x$13M-15M AAV. Solid shot of no match from Detroit.

Giving 4 out of the next 5 first round picks is steep, but I can see Grier doing it if he has faith that since last season with a terrible D they only missed the playoffs by 4 points, that he believes that the Sharks will be a playoff team in at least 4 of the next 5 seasons, so for those years the 1st round pick will be likely 20 or lower. And that one year you miss and are lottery team you keep the pick.

Meanwhile, your long term D top 4 is

Edvinsson - Verhoeff
Dickinson - Lin

If Edvinsson keep developing as he has and Verhoeff hits, that's your Niedermeyer - Progner right there. A dynasty making move at what could very well only cost 4 firsts that are in the 20-30 OA range.

Good. Thinking outside the box. I'm down. We need bold new thinking.

 

[KirbyDots]

Mukh, Musty, 2nd? (Could be a protected first I suppose) Mg throws in 25 minutes of ufa negotiation time with Mario

Do it.

 

[TheBeard]

When Harley's contract expires, he'll be only one year older than Nurse is NOW. Nurse will be 35 when his contract expires.

I think in four years Harley's contract will be the worst in the NHL.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Hell of a lot more tolerable than Reilly or Nurse.

Exactly. Similar in age, more palatable contract, and most importantly an actual defensive guy. Nurse and Rielly have too much overlap with Dickinson’s and Verhoeff’s weaknesses. Pettersson would be an actual solid partner for Verhoeff. Defensive tilt, good size, simple game.

 

[BaybayShark]

Lol

 

[Surfer Dude]

Lol

next year when his ntc expands is more likely for them to make a trade, cbj kinda fumbled this. appreciate grier for running a tight ship no leaks

 

[TheBeard]

Lol

Jesus, insert Eric Andre shooting meme right here.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Mukh, Musty, 2nd? (Could be a protected first I suppose) Mg throws in 25 minutes of ufa negotiation time with Mario

Jim Nil laughs and then hangs up the phone. I don’t think a D+6 project defender who hasn’t established himself in the NHL, a project winger with so-so post draft performances, and a ‘28 2nd move the needle, and is easily beat by 20 other teams.

 

[vortexx]

From Elliotte Friedman's thoughts and predictions that are Sharks related:

Darnell Nurse: Pittsburgh wanted Edmonton to take back a contract. The Oilers didn’t like whatever was presented to them. Philadelphia’s had a challenge putting all of the different pieces together in and out. Boston’s shown interest, but that’s also about what has to go out to make it work. I believe the Sharks are very interested, but Nurse remains east-focused as I write this.

Mason Marchment: There was a lot of interest. Montreal, I think Toronto. Someone made a great point that a sentimental favourite might be San Jose, longtime NHL home of his late father Bryan. The two were extremely close.

The defencemen: San Jose. Sharks need D. Ian Cole? Jamie Oleksiak? Jacob Trouba?

Rasmus Andersson: He’s staying.

Ryan Shea: Had a really good year. Heard Lightning really liked him. But they also have their eyes on Werenski and John Carlson, if he doesnt sign in Carolina. Good player.

Thoughts and predictions on the NHL off-season

As the NHL's Signing Season opens on July 1, Elliotte Friedman shares some thoughts and predictions on free agency, the trade market and more to come this summer.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Juxtaposer]

I also wonder about Gavrikov. There was a rumor a few weeks ago that he was unhappy with the Rangers after they moved Panarin and speculation that he’d want to go back to the Kings. I wonder if Orlov could pitch him on SJ the way he tried to pitch Panarin on SJ.

 

[sampler]

I also wonder about Gavrikov. There was a rumor a few weeks ago that he was unhappy with the Rangers after they moved Panarin and speculation that he’d want to go back to the Kings. I wonder if Orlov could pitch him on SJ the way he tried to pitch Panarin on SJ.

Nope. Grier is not gunna chase a nearly 31 year old with 6 seasons left. Don't get me wrong, I like the player, but it just doesnt fit what grier is clearly doing.

He sees the timeline as I wrote earlier: He needs vet D for the next 2-3 years, as he buys time for the NHL forward kids+Dick+Pohlkamp+LSW to pro develop, and for Voerhoff and Lin to get ready to come into the league.

In 3-4 years, hopefully, he will have Dick on his long term deal taking a top 4 Spot. Hopefully Pohlkmap or LSW will be on their second contracts with a few years of NHL experience with hopefully one of them in a top 4 spot, or at least top 6. Voerhoff and Lin will be 21/22 years old and at least 1, maybe both, will be ready for a top 6 spot.

In other words, in about three years, the sharks should have 4 of the current kids in the NHL lineup. At that point, they may want to add 1 or 2 bona fide NHL stars (werenski types) in their late 20's.

The last thing Grier wants in 3 years is some old dude (34+) making 7M+ with still 3 more years to go. He might be open to a fourth year for a guy like Rielly or Nurse if that is all he can find. But, I think he prefers 2-3 years, and I would expect he will sign guys 2-3 years tomorrow (or begrudgingly offer a 4th year if absolutely necessary).

 

[sampler]

I still wanna see if Grier can pry Morrissey out of winterpeg. not sure what the price would be, but he is a perfect short term fit.

If a package of a 1st+3rd+ Cagnoni/Mukh+Bystedt can tempt them, I would do it in an instant. That's a very respectable haul for just 2 years of a 31 year old guy. He'd be a perfect short/mid term fit for the sharks to get that #1D, and the price should be much less than werenski.

I suppose WPG wants to get back into PO's this year, so maybe he's not on the market. Still, I like the fit.