Speculation: 2023-24-25-26 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Jargon]

Wondering if we see some deals today pre-draft with teams wanting to clear up some space before FA.

 

[SJSharksfan4life]

Wondering if we see some deals today pre-draft with teams wanting to clear up some space before FA.

Wondering the same.

 

[tiburon12]

Huge 24 hours for Minnesota coming up. If I were a betting man, i think Guerin f***s it up and the wild fall apart this year.

The harsh/cynical view is:

• They have no #1 centers or potentials in their system
• They have two excellent and relied-upon Dmen in Hughes and Spurgeon coming up on UFA, one likely wanting the bag and the other probably heading to a steep decline at 36 already.
• They have an overpaid goalie they don't trust and whose value they have hampered.
• They are going to lose a bunch of top 9 wingers to UFA and are in position to have a weaker roster, but only have 9M in cap space to fill the gaps. Like;y 3 of that is going to another winger (Brink)
• Prospect pool is weak, they have this and next year's firsts, but no seconds

Unless Guerin can work some magic, I think they're toast and there's a high chance Hughes hits the market.

 

[Jargon]

Huge 24 hours for Minnesota coming up. If I were a betting man, i think Guerin f***s it up and the wild fall apart this year.

The harsh/cynical view is:

• They have no #1 centers or potentials in their system
• They have two excellent and relied-upon Dmen in Hughes and Spurgeon coming up on UFA, one likely wanting the bag and the other probably heading to a steep decline at 36 already.
• They have an overpaid goalie they don't trust and whose value they have hampered.
• They are going to lose a bunch of top 9 wingers to UFA and are in position to have a weaker roster, but only have 9M in cap space to fill the gaps. Like;y 3 of that is going to another winger (Brink)
• Prospect pool is weak, they have this and next year's firsts, but no seconds

Unless Guerin can work some magic, I think they're toast and there's a high chance Hughes hits the market.

I don’t see a world where, if he does, the Sharks get him. He’s gonna go play with his brothers not go across the country from them…

 

[Juxtaposer]

Huge 24 hours for Minnesota coming up. If I were a betting man, i think Guerin f***s it up and the wild fall apart this year.

The harsh/cynical view is:

• They have no #1 centers or potentials in their system
• They have two excellent and relied-upon Dmen in Hughes and Spurgeon coming up on UFA, one likely wanting the bag and the other probably heading to a steep decline at 36 already.
• They have an overpaid goalie they don't trust and whose value they have hampered.
• They are going to lose a bunch of top 9 wingers to UFA and are in position to have a weaker roster, but only have 9M in cap space to fill the gaps. Like;y 3 of that is going to another winger (Brink)
• Prospect pool is weak, they have this and next year's firsts, but no seconds

Unless Guerin can work some magic, I think they're toast and there's a high chance Hughes hits the market.

I wonder if Spurgeon would come to SJ…

 

[Palaeontologists]

I wonder if Spurgeon would come to SJ…

He's 36, just overpaying him 3x10 and hell will say yes.

 

[Jargon]

God I know it’s been said a thousand times but this UFA class is awful.

 

[sharski]

GMMG has just gotta keep dodging bullets and drafting BPA while sniping falling prospects & reclamation projects... hell, even just sitting back and spamming BPA is probably enough at this point

i'm sure eventually he's gonna have to go big game hunting for role that just never lined up in the draft for them (big boi wrecking ball to nip any BS in the bud/all sitch D that pushes everyone else down a rung on the ladder of pressure), but until then, just let the engine run... the right player will be someone who WANTS to sign here and is not just willing to sign here

 

[matt trick]

God I know it’s been said a thousand times but this UFA class is awful.

I do feel that guys like Tuch may have been significantly richer if they had waited for FA.

 

[Jargon]

I do feel that guys like Tuch may have been significantly richer if they had waited for FA.

for real, I play intermediate adult roller hockey as a center and I’m pretty sure I’d get a deal with this group.

 

[WSS11]

God I know it’s been said a thousand times but this UFA class is awful.

Which means the trade market is going to continue to be busy

 

[BobGoblinn]

for real, I play intermediate adult roller hockey as a center and I’m pretty sure I’d get a deal with this group.

if we need a 37 yr old RHD who cant skate well to sign a huge 1 year deal and then go on LITR to hit the cap floor - i'm available.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

if we need a 37 yr old RHD who cant skate well to sign a huge 1 year deal and then go on LITR to hit the cap floor - i'm available.

42 RHD that literally cannot skate and simultaneously handle a puck. I’ll very happily take the vet minimum for a season.

 

[TheBeard]

I do feel that guys like Tuch may have been significantly richer if they had waited for FA.

But then he loses the 8th year.

 

[Palaeontologists]

God I know it’s been said a thousand times but this UFA class is awful.

That's why I want Grier to get a Trouba trade done by tonight to avoid the market entirely. My fear is that Grier will wait until free agency like he was planning to do for Raddysh and miss out on Trouba because the Ducks traded him away before then.

 

[matt trick]

But then he loses the 8th year.

True, and I think he's not likely to have much left 7 years from now. However, I think he might have gotten 7x$12M. I know that's insane but free assets with so much cap space is definitely of interest.


Sounds like Helly is on the move. FLA must be out based on the Markstrom deal. Wonder if the Jets were demanding Lundell, and Zito wouldn't do it.

Could be a three-way deal involving Nikishin? With Helly gone, WPG will have a good top line, and good LD.

 

[TheBeard]

True, and I think he's not likely to have much left 7 years from now. However, I think he might have gotten 7x$12M. I know that's insane but free assets with so much cap space is definitely of interest.


Sounds like Helly is on the move. FLA must be out based on the Markstrom deal. Wonder if the Jets were demanding Lundell, and Zito wouldn't do it.

Could be a three-way deal involving Nikishin? With Helly gone, WPG will have a good top line, and good LD.

The problem with Tuch maybe getting 12 is it may be with a team that's not competitive or he doesn't see a long term future with. Washington is the best of both worlds where he gets the same money as 7X12 (84 total) and plays in a place with a legit window.

At some point I expect Vegas is in on a goalie. They're either dumping Hill for peanuts (a team will take him) and grabbing Freddie or Bob or they're going bigger fish hunting while dangling Connelly and others.

 

[matt trick]

The problem with Tuch maybe getting 12 is it may be with a team that's not competitive or he doesn't see a long term future with. Washington is the best of both worlds where he gets the same money as 7X12 (84 total) and plays in a place with a legit window.

At some point I expect Vegas is in on a goalie. They're either dumping Hill for peanuts (a team will take him) and grabbing Freddie or Bob or they're going bigger fish hunting while dangling Connelly and others.

Fair point on WSH being good, though not sure they are a cup threat (also didn't think Carolina could win, so mileage may vary).

I think it'd be nuts for someone to grab Hill, that contract is awful, but they do slither out of bad situations.

 

[Star Platinum]

That's why I want Grier to get a Trouba trade done by tonight to avoid the market entirely. My fear is that Grier will wait until free agency like he was planning to do for Raddysh and miss out on Trouba because the Ducks traded him away before then.

Trouba is not gettting traded. Free agency starts tomorrow. One day's worth of signing rights isn't worth anything.

 

[TheBeard]

How about bringing in someone like Anders Lee on a 1 or 2 year deal? Big, physical greasy vet with leadership experience. A poor man's Tuch.

 

[TheBeard]

Fair point on WSH being good, though not sure they are a cup threat (also didn't think Carolina could win, so mileage may vary).

I think it'd be nuts for someone to grab Hill, that contract is awful, but they do slither out of bad situations.

I think Washington is gonna end up having another resurgence this season. The team is big and physical and not old. LT is as good as any goalie in the NHL not among the elite, the defense is still deep as hell and the additions of Kyrou and Tuch gives them a top 5 top 9 IMO with or without Ovi. If Cole is as good or near his brother's skill then he's a dark horse for Calder.

If Vegas retains 20% he'd still be an option for teams at 5 AAV. He's only 30.

 

[Star Platinum]

How about bringing in someone like Anders Lee on a 1 or 2 year deal? Big, physical greasy vet with leadership experience. A poor man's Tuch.

Which forward are you pushing to the 4th line?

 

[OrrNumber4]

That's why I want Grier to get a Trouba trade done by tonight to avoid the market entirely. My fear is that Grier will wait until free agency like he was planning to do for Raddysh and miss out on Trouba because the Ducks traded him away before then.

Do we know that Grier had an interest in Raddysh?

 

[ChompChomp]

How about bringing in someone like Anders Lee on a 1 or 2 year deal? Big, physical greasy vet with leadership experience. A poor man's Tuch.

I would love it in a world where the organization wasn't so in love with Goodrow, so we could play Lee in that 4LW slot. Would make for a nice 4th line in Lee-Ostap-Gaudette/Dellandrea.

 

[TheBeard]

Which forward are you pushing to the 4th line?

I'd play Graf with Wennberg and Sherwood, Lee with Misa and Cherny on his off wing, Smith/Celebrini/Sten on 1. Who cares about line 4 as they're all terrible options who shouldn't be getting more than 8 minutes a game. Goodrow/Delly/Goodrow/Gaudette/Toffoli can all take turns looking bad.