2023-24 #2: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc.

[blackjackmulligan]

I was going to fact check but saw something plainly stating he was the youngest so never checked. I am on the same page in terms of draft position and making the right pick. I would have 100% picked Buium even if I never wanted him in the first place.

Watching Jett I see a lot of raw talent and most important to me, speed and IQ. Those are two things you can’t teach. Then you add his age and combine results - there appears to be a standout player here. Or at least there could be a standout player. I guess he could have peaked as a 17 yo but I don’t think that’s fair given he is near the youngest player drafted. Several. Guys are almost a full year older like Yakemchuck and Levshunov. Many are 8+ months like Demidov.

Jett said that instead of playing video games during covid he worked out. That’s why he is so strong. You can certainly get stronger if that’s what’s good for your game. To me his IQ, want to get better, age, and already present skill projects well. I think he will be better than Frost

Is that a high bar?

 

[Curufinwe]

Frost was a mid-May birthday and went from 62 points in his draft year, to 112 points in his D+1 season. Since Lucahnko is better, I'm penciling in a 120 point season for him.

Frost currently has the 18th most points of any player drafted in 2017, 9 behind Tolvanen.

Elite Prospects - NHL Entry Draft 2017

NHL Entry Draft 2017 - full list of selections with facts and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[TheKingPin]

Frost was a mid-May birthday and went from 62 points in his draft year, to 112 points in his D+1 season. Since Lucahnko is better, I'm penciling in a 120 point season for him.

Frost currently has the 18th most points of any player drafted in 2017, 9 behind Tolvanen.

Elite Prospects - NHL Entry Draft 2017

NHL Entry Draft 2017 - full list of selections with facts and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

What was the team around Frost like? Did it change to the D+1 year season?

 

[VladDrag]

thanks for this. I like Scouching, he provides details well. I don’t agree about the 2nd round picks, but oh well.

What was the team around Frost like? Did it change to the D+1 year season?

He went from being a role player to the top line guy. Basically was given more opportunity.

 

[C0DITH]

What was the team around Frost like? Did it change to the D+1 year season?

Frost's team was the best team in the OHL (on paper at least - and by a large margin). Makes point production a lot easier compared to a back of the pack team. Put Jett on a contender (which hopefully happens via trade at some point this year), and we'd probably see a 100+ production (or close depending if he makes the WJHC). Seems to me, there betting on him having more production when his surrounding cast isn't as poor as it is now.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

I like scouching alot for years now. But in this Video he counters himself. He gave the flyers a 2c rating and at the same time he said they drafted for defense first big players who are a safer picks! Yet if we look what the flyers need its the absolute opposite of what the flyers have done. So if the flyers would be Florida or tampa i could understand the rating and if the flyers picked late in every round i also could understand the rating but the picks were in the middle. And jett is projected from most as a middle 6 Center with good work ethic and speed. Thats not good enough for the middle of the first round when you arent a contender already!

But who am i? Iam just a negative german hater who wants to see the flyers world burning!

Lets be clear! Jett will be Scheifle, Gill will be Coburn, Berglund will be Primeau and so on! This franchise is in a very good way to be a nhl Power House for years! Buckle in Guys!

 

[BernieParent]

Frost's team was the best team in the OHL (on paper at least - and by a large margin). Makes point production a lot easier compared to a back of the pack team. Put Jett on a contender (which hopefully happens via trade at some point this year), and we'd probably see a 100+ production (or close depending if he makes the WJHC). Seems to me, there betting on him having more production when his surrounding cast isn't as poor as it is now.

Good point, C0DITH, although this works both ways. Frost was 1C on a top team and was a key driver to the Greyhounds being at the top of the league. It is a big positive that Luchanko has shown that he can put up points on a talent-poor team and reasonable to conclude that Luchanko's production would rise on a stronger roster, but he would have to prove that he belongs on a top line and supplant the 1C or 2C.

I like scouching alot for years now. But in this Video he counters himself. He gave the flyers a 2c rating and at the same time he said they drafted for defense first big players who are a safer picks! Yet if we look what the flyers need its the absolute opposite of what the flyers have done. So if the flyers would be Florida or tampa i could understand the rating and if the flyers picked late in every round i also could understand the rating but the picks were in the middle. And jett is projected from most as a middle 6 Center with good work ethic and speed. Thats not good enough for the middle of the first round when you arent a contender already!

But who am i? Iam just a negative german hater who wants to see the flyers world burning!

Lets be clear! Jett will be Scheifle, Gill will be Coburn, Berglund will be Primeau and so on! This franchise is in a very good way to be a nhl Power House for years! Buckle in Guys!

Buckled in!

 

[Magua]

What was the team around Frost like? Did it change to the D+1 year season?

"I know his stats aren't blow you away good, but SSM really divvies up their minutes between their top 2 lines -- 5v5 and PP. Also, I watched Frost mainly play with Senyshyn. FWIW I think he's a pretty iffy IQ, tunnel vision guy, and not great in the o zone. I'm sure he helped his assist totals on the season, but he didn't really contribute much else to the line and wasn't particularly good in the cycle. Maybe playing with Katchouk or someone next year would be a better fit for Morgan."

I wrote that the day he was drafted.

Frost's team was the best team in the OHL (on paper at least - and by a large margin). Makes point production a lot easier compared to a back of the pack team. Put Jett on a contender (which hopefully happens via trade at some point this year), and we'd probably see a 100+ production (or close depending if he makes the WJHC). Seems to me, there betting on him having more production when his surrounding cast isn't as poor as it is now.

It doesn't always work this neatly. Better teams also can mean more mouths to feed. The Greyhounds were the 3rd best team in the OHL and the 4th highest scoring team Frost's draft year (2016-17). He had 62 points in 67 games, and only 2 player were over a point/game. It was very spread.

The 2017-18 team was a powerhouse that was virtually the identical team as the year before, sans a couple graduates. They scored 30 more goals, and Frost had 50 more points. Frost was indisputably one of the 3-4 best players in the OHL (Kyrou, Suzuki, Robertson), and he was the best player hands down for the Soo. Look at that roster, it's not a who's who of future NHL talent. It's a weird criticism knocking his point production as a product of himself. It's like saying MacKinnon played on the highest scoring NHL team, so his point production this year was easier. Ignoring the essential reason why they were the highest scoring team.

Robert Thomas saw his points/game drop sizably in his D+1 after being traded from a middling London team to Hamilton, the OHL champions. Jason Robertson had virtually identical stats on Kingston in his D and D+1 years. For the Luchanko argument, Kingston was dead last in goals in his draft year (Robertson had 42 goals and 81 points). They scored 64 more goals the next year, went from dead last to above average, and he saw zero jump. And let me tell you, Luchanko doesn't hold a candle to Robertson's talent that we saw on that dead last Kingston team.

Honestly, production is the last thing on my mind with Luchanko. It was totally fine given the circumstances -- even if almost half was on the PP, and I didn't see the second coming of Giroux on the half-wall. But for the umpteenth time it's as simple as this: I don't see plus skill. That is totally independent of context.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Adam Brooks signed with EHC Munchen.

 

[VladDrag]

Adam Brooks signed with EHC Munchen.

Without knowing the pay, I would 100% go to a European league if I was that type of player -- the mid/late 20ies skater that is just a good AHL player.

 

[C0DITH]

5 Flyers got invited to Team Canada's Summer Showcase

- Barkey
- Bjarnason
- Bonk
- Luchanko
- Sotheran

 

[Larry44]

5 Flyers got invited to Team Canada's Summer Showcase

- Barkey
- Bjarnason
- Bonk
- Luchanko
- Sotheran

2024-25 Summer Showcase Roster | National Junior Team

Full roster here, if you're interested. Good to see Sotheran included.
24 forwards and 13 D, so chances are slim they all make the WJC. Likely only Bonk, Barkey and Bjarnason this year. Luchanko is a longshot.

JFC, we drafted Beavis and Butthead....

NJT: Teammates – Oliver Bonk & Easton Cowan

For US: Noah Powell

Finland: Ruohonen will be on the tryout squad: 2024 World Juniors Summer Showcase - July 28 - August 3 - USA Hockey Arena, Plymouth, MI

Sweden: Jack Berglund

 

[mr figgles]

Bjarnason feels like a long shot too, unless Canadian goaltending is in that bad of a state.

 

[Larry44]

Bjarnason feels like a long shot too, unless Canadian goaltending is in that bad of a state.

He's represented Canada a couple times at U18s, he's a good prospect and well-regarded by the program. I'm sure he has a chance.

 

[C0DITH]

There are 4 goalies invited, and one is a 2025 draft. If they only take 3, there is a good chance hes one of them.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

I just don't see him being better than Buium... If Buium reaches his projections then he could have been our #1D man for the next 10+ years. Jett has to be a solid 1C for me not to be upset about this in 5 years.

Obviously the kid is gonna be an NHL professional hockey player but it stings.

IDK with his size and style combo if he's going to be able to be an elite NHL player though with his style. We'll just have to wait and see.

Seems like a better fit for the organization; providing a piece that's in short supply. Flyers have a number of Buiums. Telling that the Flyers weren't the only team to pass on Zev if the pre-draft rankings are to be believed.

Flyers response to NYR's Rempe?

Could be. Though I'd imagine he spends most of his first season with Reading.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Seems like a better fit for the organization; providing a piece that's in short supply. Flyers have a number of Buiums. Telling that the Flyers weren't the only team to pass on Zev if the prey draft rankings are to be believed.


Could be. Though I'd imagine he spends most of his first season with Reading.

Lol

 

[Magua]

If you already believe the Flyers have a brighter future than the Devils, no opinion is too outlandish. You could count at least 5 Buiums in the organization. 6 if you include Matteo Mann. I wouldn’t, but there’s a good argument.

 

[freakydallas13]

Flyers have a number of Buiums.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

If you already believe the Flyers have a brighter future than the Devils, no opinion is too outlandish. You could count at least 5 Buiums in the organization. 6 if you include Matteo Mann. I wouldn’t, but there’s a good argument.

Just compare prospect lists side by side and it's no contest. Flyers have more high end prospects on the London Knights than the Devils have in their entire group. After Silayev the pickings are pretty slim.

They also have another Buium in Seamus Casey. Adding to their abundance of defemsemen who can't or won't defend.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Seems like a better fit for the organization; providing a piece that's in short supply. Flyers have a number of Buiums. Telling that the Flyers weren't the only team to pass on Zev if the pre-draft rankings are to be believed.


Could be. Though I'd imagine he spends most of his first season with Reading.

Seems like a better fit for the organization; providing a piece that's in short supply. Flyers have a number of Buiums. Telling that the Flyers weren't the only team to pass on Zev if the pre-draft rankings are to be believed.


Could be. Though I'd imagine he spends most of his first season with Reading.

No he fn stinks, Has no fn business playing pro hockey at all. One of those East Coast guys are going to eat him up when he drops the gloves. Trading on your dads name pays dividends. Not even a good junior player.

 

[TB87]

Buium’s don’t grow on trees lol. The level of skill he possesses is many orders of magnitude more than any current Flyers prospects(& even NHL roster dmen). He’s an excellent prospect and the Wild are lucky to have him. I’ll be flabbergasted if he does not end up as a franchise changing talent.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Buium’s don’t grow on trees lol. The level of skill he possesses is many orders of magnitude more than any current Flyers prospects(& even NHL roster dmen). He’s an excellent prospect and the Wild are lucky to have him. I’ll be flabbergasted if he does not end up as a franchise changing talent.

Or, just as likely, he had the benefit of playing on a loaded college team against inferior opponents. Five teams selected defensemen before the Wild selected Buium.

Maybe he is as talented as you suggest. There is a reason other teams didn't feel the same way.

 

[wankstifier]

How many teams would've passed on Luchanko had the Flyers not reached for him?