Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[Ararana]

What an opportunity with so many good top six forwards (and centers) available for trade this summer right when we need it.

MacFarland is 100% going to find a way to f*** this up.

 

[RockLobster]

Poor Naz

I mean I am sure he wants to win because he's a highly competitive athlete, but...

The guy probably won't complain TOO much for these reasons:

-He got his ring (and played a HUGE part with his G4 OT goal)
-He got his bag...and got it for 7 years.

I'd take him back here in a heartbeat because of what he means to the Avs, but I don't have any delusions of grandeur here...those last 3ish seasons would be PAINFUL, but by then I'm currently expecting the Avs to not be in the same contention window they're in now anyway.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Honestly crazy for Calgary.

Thats arguably a 1C, 2C, 2LW, and 2/3D that all decided they want out in the last like 24 hours it would seem.

I wonder if they will continue to be dumb about it or just commit to the rebuild properly. I believe if they started a rebuild now they'd be entering a contender window just as the new arena is finishing up. I think.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think it's been proven that ownership will spend to the cap when they're a playoff team. When they're not though, they've proven they're a budget team.

They also don't spend a ton outside of the actual roster. Which they have to, in order to remain competitive. This isn't a criticism, it's probably shrewd to do business like this.

But they have a relatively small scouting staff, despite an obvious need for years now to improve on the amateur side. Outside of Roy and Bednar's well earned latest contract, they've favored cheap young/rookie head coaches. Same with their GM's.

It took forever to upgrade the jumbotron. Took forever to upgrade the locker room. They still haven’t upgraded the practice facility.

Also, they’ve never been a big fan of buyouts, and have seemed very reluctant to use LTIR to their advantage like other teams, when they’ve had multiple chances to do so. But this would mean spending more than the cap.

Seems different with Landy’s situation now, as they know they won’t have him, and have to replace him.

Ownership has shown they'll spend to the cap with a good team, but hasn't really shown the same willingness to spend over the cap as some of the other big money teams in the league.

I agree on the peripheral stuff.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Honestly crazy for Calgary.

Thats arguably a 1C, 2C, 2LW, and 2/3D that all decided they want out in the last like 24 hours it would seem.

I wonder if they will continue to be dumb about it or just commit to the rebuild properly. I believe if they started a rebuild now they'd be entering a contender window just as the new arena is finishing up. I think.

The city itself isn't too bad. Alberta is the lowest cost of living city in Canada with an NHL team (Winnipeg is lower but living is not how I'd describe residing in Winnipeg).

In the past they've been able to attract some UFAs (like Kadri just last year or that defenseman from the Islanders).

What's gone wrong there?

 

[UncleRisto]

Poor Naz

That guy is not poor even a little bit.

 

[LOFIN]

Oh man …what is going on? Calgary is not that small of a market easily accessible to any city in NA. It’s not Edmonton or Winnipeg .

I mean Winnipeg is shit we know that. And I don't pretend to know anything about Calgary and Edmonton as far as the cities themselves go. But at Edmonton you have a brand new building with McDavid and Draisaitl, with Calgary you have.... what exactly? The worst building in the league (aside from Arizona of course), a team that's probably not going anywhere, shitty weather, not a special town...

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

I mean Winnipeg is shit we know that. And I don't pretend to know anything about Calgary and Edmonton as far as the cities themselves go. But at Edmonton you have a brand new building with McDavid and Draisaitl, with Calgary you have.... what exactly? The worst building in the league (aside from Arizona of course), a team that's probably not going anywhere, shitty weather, not a special town...

Calgary is like Denver in a lot of ways , the city is nice and close to the Rockies . True having a dinosaur building doesn’t help and being in perpetual so-so land (neither bad enough or good enough) doesn’t either . Guessing some guys there just want to get out before the bottoming out occurs

 

[Metallo]

This is the Ducks jersey we deserve:

Having 8 (sorry 9!) different colors on a logo is what great design is all about! Moar kolors!

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Oh man …what is going on? Calgary is not that small of a market easily accessible to any city in NA. It’s not Edmonton or Winnipeg .

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Edmonton is just lucky enough to have the best player in the league handed to them back in 2015.

If not for that they'd be in the same state as Winnipeg/Calgary really. Nobody wants to play in those cities when you've got so many other great cities throughout the league to play in.


Sometimes guys will go there if you pay them enough above everywhere else. But that's pretty much it.

 

[Metallo]

Haha, I'm gonna have faith mate that he stays. I want all our boys re-upped. EJ, Rodrigues, Newhook, JT. All fit and firing we are the strongest team in the NHL. It's as simple as that. Completely decimated with injuries, we literally finished 7th overall.

I honestly believe it's guys like EJ's leadership in the locker room that drives our beast mode culture.

I don't mind EJ at 1M$ but that's about it. We can't afford to stretch the budget for him.

 

[Foppa2118]

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I bet all of this could have been avoided if ownership had listened to Treliving and let him fire Sutter earlier.

Seems like players just decided at that point that the team didn't really support them, and Conroy wasn't able to change their minds.

 

[Metallo]

Apparently EJ makes tajines of the wrong color and shape and therefore should not be signed by an NHL team.

 

[BrickNHL]

Calgary is like Denver in a lot of ways , the city is nice and close to the Rockies . True having a dinosaur building doesn’t help and being in perpetual so-so land (neither bad enough or good enough) doesn’t either . Guessing some guys there just want to get out before the bottoming out occurs

They don’t have the Colorado River

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Calgary is like Denver in a lot of ways , the city is nice and close to the Rockies . True having a dinosaur building doesn’t help and being in perpetual so-so land (neither bad enough or good enough) doesn’t either . Guessing some guys there just want to get out before the bottoming out occurs

I think you’ve got it right. The team lost their two most talented players last season largely due to poor management. They followed that up with a trialing year where the players simply did not get along with the coach. It’s the perfect storm that a lot of their good players are close enough to FA that they can force the teams’ hand

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

I think Newhooks value at this point is that of a super late 1st or early 2nd, basically a pick in the 30-40 range. He's in the NHL already and a proven "reliable" 15G/35 point player. But there's definitely concern around his upside at this point and whether he can be more then that or not.


When you look at the fact Laughton just got offered a 1st + 2nd and was rejected for fairly similar stats... Newhook definitely still has decent enough value. Especially if teams still think he can be a Center.


I look at a package of #27 + Newhook as essentially 2 1st round picks in value. It's a pretty good package for any 1 year rental tbh.



Grab Toffoli and Lindholm tbh. Toffoli would be a nice Top 6 forward replacement for Gabe.

Toffoli would definitely work here. The guy has an uncanny ability to get himself into scoring position....... and executes.

They don’t have the Colorado River

Neither does Denver........ Kinda stuck with the S. Platte..... lol

 

[Balthazar]

Once Edmonton lose McDavid they'll have major issues to get players to play there.

What's happening in Calgary and Winnipeg is not good.

 

[myperbixhurts]

So EJ is gone

 

[The Merchant]

I mean I am sure he wants to win because he's a highly competitive athlete, but...

The guy probably won't complain TOO much for these reasons:

-He got his ring (and played a HUGE part with his G4 OT goal)
-He got his bag...and got it for 7 years.

I'd take him back here in a heartbeat because of what he means to the Avs, but I don't have any delusions of grandeur here...those last 3ish seasons would be PAINFUL, but by then I'm currently expecting the Avs to not be in the same contention window they're in now anyway.

Without a doubt. Just feel for him anyway thinking he's getting his bag and going to a contender and now he's gonna be anchored to that team as the vet during a rebuild.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Other than Girard, what weapon do we really have to trade for these top fishes? Our 1st is only worth the equivalent of a 2nd. I feel like we're going wolf hunting with a sling... I'm not expecting them to be able to pull it off with the big names like Lindholm or PLD. Other teams will have better things to offer...

Toews or Byram.

To be honest, depending on what Byram and Toews want, I'm open to trading whichever of the three will best solve our 2C and provide room for quality depth. Obviously, I'd prefer Girard to be the one used, but he might not be enough.

My dream is CMac can convince Armstrong that it's time to start building his roster for competition and he agrees to give up Hayton and Crouse for one of our D + Newhook +1st.

That would give us an ELC 2C for 1.775M and a top 6 winger who can play either side for 4 seasons at 4.3M. While moving out roughly 5-7M (dman + Newhook) in salary depending on which dman Bill takes. It's almost too perfect for us, which is why that's probably not enough to get it done. Armstrong really doesn't have an incentive to do this, unless he's seriously trying to get his D in order. And honestly, I'd increase the package to two 1st if it would get the deal done.

But losing all our UFAs combined with the shift in salary from D to forward, would leave enough to go and get a decent dman for the 3rd pairing (preferably a lefty to hopefully pair with Malinski soon) and get some solid depth pieces to sprinkle in the bottom 6.

Lehkonen-MacKinnon-Crouse
Nichushkin-Hayton-Rantanen
Malgin-Haula-Fast
Stastny-Meyers-LOC (don't laugh, Pauly Walnuts had a 61.1- xGF% last season to go along with 9G and 13 apples).

Toews/Byram-Makar
Byram/Girard-Manson
X-X (internal options are Malinski for the right side and McPunchyFace for the left, I'd rather get a solid vet and then some PTOs for competition on the 6th and 7th slots).

That roster could be possible cap-wise, and I think would be a substantial upgrade over last season. Also, Crouse doesn't have any trade protection, so when Rants' contact is up, he could easily be moved to pay for Rants' raise.

/dream

 

[John Mandalorian]

Without a doubt. Just feel for him anyway thinking he's getting his bag and going to a contender and now he's gonna be anchored to that team as the vet during a rebuild.

It's his choice. The big question is whether an offer was made and what it was. If EJ turned down 800k-1M because he thinks he's worth more, it's more difficult to feel bad for him. If the Avs made no offer at all, it's a little easier to feel bad for him. But as someone said earlier, at least that means they're willing to make changes.

Now watch them still sign certain guys from last year.

 

[Avs_19]

Tell Conroy....

.....and come home.

Or Lindholm.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Other than Girard, what weapon do we really have to trade for these top fishes? Our 1st is only worth the equivalent of a 2nd. I feel like we're going wolf hunting with a sling... I'm not expecting them to be able to pull it off with the big names like Lindholm or PLD. Other teams will have better things to offer...

Success. If he's OK plating in Columbus, the Avs are limited. But if the guy wants to have a great chance at winning at a high level by not having the absolute pressure as being the 1C, then the Avs start to look pretty appealing.

 

[myperbixhurts]

It's his choice. The big question is whether an offer was made and what it was. If EJ turned down 800k-1M because he thinks he's worth more, it's more difficult to feel bad for him. If the Avs made no offer at all, it's a little easier to feel bad for him. But as someone said earlier, at least that means they're willing to make changes.

Now watch them still sign certain guys from last year.

It’s not even a money issue with EJ. Even if you give him league minimum, he’s done. Can’t skate anymore, can’t provide any offense, defensively he’s not very good anymore. He’s pretty much done but he wants to keep playing and you can’t blame him. Hope he finds a place he can keep playing as long as he wants

 

[AvStock]

Still can't wrap my mind on how much money Klingberg lost by turning down a 7M X 8 contract offer from Dallas last year just because he wanted 8M X 8.

He ended up signing 7M X 1 and now he's old and no longer good, he's going to take a major paycut and won't even get term.

This is the worst contract decision I've ever seen from a hockey player. He will end up losing well over 35M because he wanted 8M more over 8 years, a paltry 1M a year. Dumbass.

Sounds like how I play the stock market