Prospect Info: 2023-2024 Rangers Prospects Thread (Prospect Stats in Post #1; Updated 05.22.2024)

[nyr2k2]

So why they even draft him?

Well they drafted him because they liked him. But after watching him through almost all of his college career they decided they didn't want to sign him.

 

[Roo Returns]

So why they even draft him?

Probably 1-2 years into it they had buyer's remorse. We've seen it with prospects in all sports. I remember the NY Giants drafting Adam Bisnowaty and waiving him the same year. He ended up playing like two games for them.

Remember Barrett Heisten who was at one time a Rangers prospect? Sabres decided early he wasn't going to be an NHLer.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I am not that shocked.
I have only a limited confidence in the amateur scouting of teenagers, and ranking them amongst themselves.
The ratings are subjective projections based on patchy and early data.

This year's Hockey News Draft Preview called out a hundred names.
The only NYR draftee included was Gabe.
I believe my confidence is rationally objective, that Fortescue and Larsson can have as successful an NHL career as at least half of those guys.

Some future stars are obvious.
But i feel its not that surprising when 112OA or 132OA have stronger careers than 12OA.
That kid who was rated at 17 will be a different guy at 22 or 26

Former NHL GM Bill Torrey tried and failed to get the league to return to only drafting players who were 19 and above.
Torrey said that the only reason it had been lowered was because of the competition of the WHA. After the World Hockey Association ceased operations in ‘79 Torrey argued that scouting/drafting and developing 17 and 18 year olds was pointless and wasteful.

 

[egelband]

Former NHL GM Bill Torrey tried and failed to get the league to return to only drafting players who were 19 and above.
Torrey said that the only reason it had been lowered was because of the competition of the WHA. After the World Hockey Association ceased operations in ‘79 Torrey argued that scouting/drafting and developing 17 and 18 year olds was pointless and wasteful.

I don’t hate that. But also I think that ship has sailed and put a lot of distance between it and the shore.

 

[eco's bones]

Former NHL GM Bill Torrey tried and failed to get the league to return to only drafting players who were 19 and above.
Torrey said that the only reason it had been lowered was because of the competition of the WHA. After the World Hockey Association ceased operations in ‘79 Torrey argued that scouting/drafting and developing 17 and 18 year olds was pointless and wasteful.

If I remember there were also lawsuits (somewhat about age requirements) by John Tonelli (who would become one of Torrey's players) and John Anderson that kind of forced the issue. At least in the United States we've drafted 18 year olds or they've volunteered (these days) to join the military and potentially go off to war. 18 is more or less the cutoff between kid and adult on a lot of things. I think if the NHL went back to a 20 year old draft there would be lawsuits again and this time in both Canada and the United States.

 

[GAGLine]

Top 25 OHL Prospects - Summer of 2023

The 2022/23 season was a great one to cover. We had some terrific individual performances, like Matt Maggio's Red Tilson winning run with th...

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5. Brennan Othmann - New York Rangers
Othmann had a pretty up and down year, but when his team needed him the most (in the OHL playoffs), he was there for them and really stepped up his game. He is such a dangerous player when he's dialed in and focused physically. He derives energy from playing that pest like role. When he becomes too complacent and floats a bit to try to get open to use his shot, he becomes way less effective. I know that sounds obvious, but as a pro, Othmann is going to need to become a Dustin Brown type to be an impact player for the Rangers. A guy who just consistently brings it without the puck and who can bring value outside of having those good scoring chops. I would expect him to start at the AHL level this year. He may need a couple of years at that level, especially given New York's depth.

24. Bryce McConnell Barker - New York Rangers
The Soo Greyhounds weren't very good last year. It was a tough year to rebuild in a difficult conference. But captain BMB was one of the few true bright spots as his game reached another level in his post draft year. Everything sort of tightened up for him and his play/effort was so much more consistent. I still think his upside is that of a middle six guy for the Rangers, but I see him as much more likely to hit it now.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Love the Dustin Brown comparison for Othmann. Has that been a common comparable that people have brought up? First time I ever heard it, I think.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Love the Dustin Brown comparison for Othmann. Has that been a common comparable that people have brought up? First time I ever heard it, I think.

Stylistic comparisons have always been Tkachuk and Connor, because Othmann has said so in interviews.

Upside comparisons are a lot harder because you don't really know how a player develops. Brown I think fits both as a stylistic and an upside comparable. He is a pain in the ass to play against and when talking to guys like McConnell-Barker, Chmelař and Cuylle, when Othmann's name comes up they all say they're happy he's on their side when they turn pro. They hate playing against him, and that's Othmann's biggest strength. Being that PITA that opponents fear. And Brown definitely was that type of player.

Prime Wayne Simmonds is another one I mentioned before (minus the fighting).

 

[eco's bones]

Stylistic comparisons have always been Tkachuk and Connor, because Othmann has said so in interviews.

Upside comparisons are a lot harder because you don't really know how a player develops. Brown I think fits both as a stylistic and an upside comparable. He is a pain in the ass to play against and when talking to guys like McConnell-Barker, Chmelař and Cuylle, when Othmann's name comes up they all say they're happy he's on their side when they turn pro. They hate playing against him, and that's Othmann's biggest strength. Being that PITA that opponents fear. And Brown definitely was that type of player.

Prime Wayne Simmonds is another one I mentioned before (minus the fighting).

More than less agree......maybe not so much about Simmonds though. Wayne became a dangerous player for a while kind of doing a bit of what Kreider does these days....getting power play goals with net front presence. I think Othmann's got a shot and release and though I think he'll go to the net for sure it won't be necessarily the territory he's going to get most of his goals from.

Saying that I don't know if he's going to be a huge goal scorer. I can see him in time becoming a 25 goal kind of guy maybe hitting 30 now and again but I expect we'll be waiting for those numbers to kind of kick in in his mid 20's. Brennan has a for real physical game and he's very strong for his size and he loves to hit. Dustin Brown might be a pretty good comparable.

 

[RangersFan1994]

So Othmann is going back to the OHL insteadof AHL? This organization has no clue as this makes no sense at all

 

[nyr2k2]

So Othmann is going back to the OHL insteadof AHL? This organization has no clue as this makes no sense at all

He's just going to participate in some practice sessions and skates. He won't be there very long.

 

[RangersFan1994]

He's just going to participate in some practice sessions and skates. He won't be there very long.

I hope he doesn't get hurt before Rangers camp. That's my concern

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He's just going to participate in some practice sessions and skates. He won't be there very long.

That is pretty odd though, I dont seem to remember other junior prospects we have doing this, could be wrong

 

[nyr2k2]

That is pretty odd though, I dont seem to remember other junior prospects we have doing this, could be wrong

Yeah, I don't know. Sounds like he's just going to be doing some skating and some workouts. He also has the NHLPA Rookie Showcase (along with Cuylle) on September 5th, which is just a glorified photo shoot followed by a light scrimmage. I think he's just trying to get geared up.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If I remember there were also lawsuits (somewhat about age requirements) by John Tonelli (who would become one of Torrey's players) and John Anderson that kind of forced the issue. At least in the United States we've drafted 18 year olds or they've volunteered (these days) to join the military and potentially go off to war. 18 is more or less the cutoff between kid and adult on a lot of things. I think if the NHL went back to a 20 year old draft there would be lawsuits again and this time in both Canada and the United States.

Did a little research and it seems the NBA since 2006 has a minimum age of 19 to be draft eligible and the NHL requires draft eligible players to be three years removed from H.S.
Not sure if anyone has challenged either league in court?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That is pretty odd though, I dont seem to remember other junior prospects we have doing this, could be wrong

It's not uncommon. A guy like Othmann can be a huge mentor for the 16-year olds they just drafted. Having him there is going to be a great experience for those kids. And until NHL training camp starts, he's still free to join their camp in juniors.

This doesn't really seem familiar to Ranger fans because we rarely ever have a prospect of Othmann's caliber in juniors.

 

[GAGLine]

Did a little research and it seems the NBA since 2006 has a minimum age of 19 to be draft eligible and the NHL requires draft eligible players to be three years removed from H.S.
Not sure if anyone has challenged either league in court?

Maurice Clarett challenged the NFL eligibility rule. As a sophomore, he wasn't unable to play in college due to violations of NCAA rules, so he got a lawyer and challenged the NFL's rule, hoping to be eligible for the 2004 draft.

He initially won the case and he and Mike Williams declared for the draft, but the decision was overturned in the appeal. So no only did neither enter the draft, but neither played in the NCAA that year. Clarett because of his suspension, and Williams was deemed ineligible because he hired an agent and declared for the draft. I think that's kind of shitty for the NCAA to do to Williams, but it's their rules.

In the case, Clarett's attorneys argue anti-trust issues, but the NFL argued that the rule was part of collective bargaining, and thus only subject to labor laws.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

It's not uncommon. A guy like Othmann can be a huge mentor for the 16-year olds they just drafted. Having him there is going to be a great experience for those kids. And until NHL training camp starts, he's still free to join their camp in juniors.

This doesn't really seem familiar to Ranger fans because we rarely ever have a prospect of Othmann's caliber in juniors.

According to a Pete's reports, him and Robertson were to attend camp to skate but not be on the roster, but Othmann is on the roster, while Robertson is not.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

According to a Pete's reports, him and Robertson were to attend camp to skate but not be on the roster, but Othmann is on the roster, while Robertson is not.

Kraken perhaps didn't grant permission for him to be on the roster. It's not a big deal. It's only an administrative difference really.

 

[GAGLine]

There's no way Othmann is going to play in the OHL this season. If he were 5 days older, he would have played in the AHL last season.

Even if the Rangers decided to send him back to juniors for an overage season, that determination wouldn't be made until training camp at the earliest.

 

[Peltz]

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP​

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP

The New York Rangers have some decisions to make. They have a few players that they should trade as soon as possible They can better their team.

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Spoiler: The players are

Kakko, Laf, and Chytil LMAO

Thanks to this author for cracking the code.

 

[bogans]

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP​

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP

The New York Rangers have some decisions to make. They have a few players that they should trade as soon as possible They can better their team.

puckprose.com

Spoiler: The players are

Kakko, Laf, and Chytil LMAO

Thanks to this author for cracking the code.

What a dumb article, I blame the people who print this shit.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP​

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP

The New York Rangers have some decisions to make. They have a few players that they should trade as soon as possible They can better their team.

puckprose.com

Spoiler: The players are

Kakko, Laf, and Chytil LMAO

Thanks to this author for cracking the code.

Thank you for the spoiler to save me from clicking the article.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP​

3 players the New York Rangers should trade ASAP

The New York Rangers have some decisions to make. They have a few players that they should trade as soon as possible They can better their team.

puckprose.com

Spoiler: The players are

Kakko, Laf, and Chytil LMAO

Thanks to this author for cracking the code.

It was written...

BY A DEVIL FAN.

Seriously, if there is a fan base that deserves a f***ing massive dose of karma for the way they've acted the last few months its this one.

 

[ThirdEye]

That article is meant to be satire right? Please tell me I'm right