2023 - 2024 OOT Scoreboard

[Bleedred]

Our team is simply too old and doesn't have the fitness to withstand winning B2B games like Anaheim.

Almost reads like a DD post.

It just needs a “Refuse to lose” and the famed avatar lol.

 

[Dialamo]

Almost reads like a DD post.

It just needs a “Refuse to lose” and the famed avatar lol.

I was going to initially predict 5-1 Anaheim, but opted for 3-1 because I felt the Devils would be able to at least limit chances against a bottom feeder. I guess I let my usual optimist thinking about this team cloud my rational thought and logic. I won't make that mistake again. You all know how I feel about Philly and Torts.

6-2 Flyers.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

I was going to initially predict 5-1 Anaheim, but opted for 3-1 because I felt the Devils would be able to at least limit chances against a bottom feeder. I guess I let my usual optimist thinking about this team cloud my rational thought and logic. I won't make that mistake again. You all know how I feel about Philly and Torts.

6-2 Flyers.

Agreed.

 

[MasterofGrond]

The sabres I’m CRYING

 

[denverdevil]

The sabres I’m CRYING

They only gave up 9.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Assuming we want the Caps tomorrow v the Isles?

 

[guitarguyvic]

How can Ottawa and Buffalo STILL be this bad after so many years and now with some pretty decent top end talent?

And then some people dismiss culture as something that doesn't really exist.

Pretty sure culture is one of the reasons those teams continue to suck no matter who's on the roster, while a team like Boston can lose their 2C and replace a HOF 1C with Pavel Zacha yet still be on pace for like 130 points.

 

[NJDevs26]

Assuming we want the Caps tomorrow v the Isles?

Who cares at this point? A) the Metro teams are seemingly winning at will outside the division anyway, and B) unless we get our act together longer than an occasional four game out of five stretch the OOTB will be irrelevant for us

 

[Guttersniped]

How can Ottawa and Buffalo STILL be this bad after so many years and now with some pretty decent top end talent?

And then some people dismiss culture as something that doesn't really exist.

Pretty sure culture is one of the reasons those teams continue to suck no matter who's on the roster, while a team like Boston can lose their 2C and replace a HOF 1C with Pavel Zacha yet still be on pace for like 130 points.

Do people dismiss culture? A lot of culture comes from winning, back in the day the Devils were an example of that. The Devils team of old won on fumes well after its glory years because it was machine. The Bruins are a machine.

Once you start losing and losing and losing, because you’re bad, it’s hard to break the cycle. Talking about a winning culture doesn’t get you a winning culture.

Also team building is a thing.

What’s good about Kevin Adams is he hasn’t done any destructive Edmonton-style GM moves in a misbegotten attempt to improve the team.

What’s bad is hasn’t done much of anything to improve the team.

Yes, he has a lot of young talent, some he’s already locked up, and he’ll need more cap space for rest. But the team is too young and bit one dimensional.

Dahlin has played for a while (386 GP), but then it’s:
24 yo Jokiharju 302 GP
23 yo Samuelsson 137 GP
21 yo Power 119 GP
22 yo Johnson 22 GP

Connor Clifton and Erik Johnson are depth pieces, they would benefit from a veteran defenseman who’s more of a difference maker.

Forwards are very young too. Getting a better veteran presence than Jordan Greenway would help.

They have no goaltending and play no defense, so there’s that. Love JJ Peterka tho, would love to have him in a Devils sweater. Would be interesting if they got a new GM who did things other than draft.

Ottawa has been hindered by a bunch of unforced errors by Dorion. He went the “destructive Edmonton-style GM moves in a misbegotten attempt to improve the team” route.

 

[sabremike]

How can Ottawa and Buffalo STILL be this bad after so many years and now with some pretty decent top end talent?

And then some people dismiss culture as something that doesn't really exist.

Pretty sure culture is one of the reasons those teams continue to suck no matter who's on the roster, while a team like Boston can lose their 2C and replace a HOF 1C with Pavel Zacha yet still be on pace for like 130 points.

No respectable person in the entire sport is willing to work with Terry Pegula. None was willing to work for U-Gene but he has assumed room temperature so with the new owner things will likely improve.

 

[Triumph]

How can Ottawa and Buffalo STILL be this bad after so many years and now with some pretty decent top end talent?

And then some people dismiss culture as something that doesn't really exist.

Pretty sure culture is one of the reasons those teams continue to suck no matter who's on the roster, while a team like Boston can lose their 2C and replace a HOF 1C with Pavel Zacha yet still be on pace for like 130 points.

Culture exists. It is just way less important than talent, and both teams have shit goaltending and bad defense. Whereas Boston has two of the best goalies in the league. Dismissing goaltending as something that doesn't exist is something that happens far too often around here.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Ottawa and Buffalo are shit because of their roster decisions outside of their picks. Buffalo has also gotten absurdly unlucky with the goalie position, Lehner was supposed to be their stalwart way back when to replace Ryan Miller then it was supposed to be guys like UPL and now Levi is having struggles. Ottawa is its own mess, they had a complete tear down and for the most part, they recouped a lot of assets from the old guard that almost won the most improbable Cup in quite sometime in 2017 but their UFA and other decisions have been quite miserable. They still think Travis Hamonic is an NHLer, they have virtually no bottom 6 besides Mathieu Joesph and their goaltending is also atrocious.

 

[Bleedred]

Ottawa and Buffalo are shit because of their roster decisions outside of their picks. Buffalo has also gotten absurdly unlucky with the goalie position, Lehner was supposed to be their stalwart way back when to replace Ryan Miller then it was supposed to be guys like UPL and now Levi is having struggles. Ottawa is its own mess, they had a complete tear down and for the most part, they recouped a lot of assets from the old guard that almost won the most improbable Cup in quite sometime in 2017 but their UFA and other decisions have been quite miserable. They still think Travis Hamonic is an NHLer, they have virtually no bottom 6 besides Mathieu Joesph and their goaltending is also atrocious.

They signed Korpisalo to the worst contract of UFA this past year lol.

Raise your hand if you didn't see that coming? I'd expect everyone but Dorion wouldn't have their hand up.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

They signed Korpisalo to the worst contract of UFA this past year lol.

Raise your hand if you didn't see that coming? I'd expect everyone but Dorion wouldn't have their hand up.

Which is why I never get why the Devils get slandered for not making a move in net, it's the equivalent of someone bitching at you to do something but they not having an adequate solution in hand.

 

[glenwo2]

Islanders vs. Capitals tonight.

Gee....there's no shot this game ends up a 3-point game. /s

 

[Guttersniped]

Ottawa and Buffalo are shit because of their roster decisions outside of their picks. Buffalo has also gotten absurdly unlucky with the goalie position, Lehner was supposed to be their stalwart way back when to replace Ryan Miller then it was supposed to be guys like UPL and now Levi is having struggles. Ottawa is its own mess, they had a complete tear down and for the most part, they recouped a lot of assets from the old guard that almost won the most improbable Cup in quite sometime in 2017 but their UFA and other decisions have been quite miserable. They still think Travis Hamonic is an NHLer, they have virtually no bottom 6 besides Mathieu Joesph and their goaltending is also atrocious.

You’re skipping over them having Ullmark and never successfully signing him longterm. He signed two 1 year deals, after filing for arbitration, and then f***ed off to Boston as a UFA in 2021-22. (He had the same Swedish agent as Bratt and he was a pain in the ass with Sabres too.)

Ullmark was quite good for Sabres when healthy by the end of his stint, they wanted to keep him at the end.


Ottawa? This is just dumb shit involving goalies recently.

Spoiler: Matt Murray!

Oct 2020: Trade for Matt Murray’s signing rights.

Oct 2020: Sign Matt Murray to 4 year/6.25m deal.

July 2022: Bribe Toronto to take Matt Murray, while retaining 25% of his salary. (That’s dead cap space for Ottawa even when he was on LTIR’ed for concussions.)

Murray had a ridiculous number of injuries in the latter half of his career including a number of worsening concussion episodes.

Spoiler: Forsberg?

Gave a waiver wire pick-up, who previously had 48 NHL GP, a 3 year/2.75m deal at age 30 after he had a breakout year for them. Can’t blame them much for this, it was the best goaltending they had since Anderson’s prime and/or Hammond’s one run.

Spoiler: Cam Talbot!

July 2022, the day after the Murray trade: Trade cheap young goalie for Cam Talbot.

Cambot sucks on their team.

Now 25 year old Gus the Bus flourishing in Minny despite knickname.

(Last 10 games after a rough start, Goose is back!)

Spoiler: Korpisalo?

July 2023: Sign Korpisalo to 5 year/4m deal.
Future buyout or trade w/ retained salary? Who can say really.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

You’re skipping over them having Ullmark and never successfully signing him longterm. He signed two 1 year deals, after filing for arbitration, and then f***ed off to Boston as a UFA in 2021-22. (He had the same Swedish agent as Bratt and he was a pain in the ass with Sabres too.)

Ullmark was quite good for Sabres when healthy by the end of his stint, they wanted to keep him at the end.


Ottawa? This is just dumb shit involving goalies recently.

Spoiler: Matt Murray!

Oct 2020: Trade for Matt Murray’s signing rights.
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Oct 2020: Sign Matt Murray to 4 year/6.25m deal.
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July 2022: Bribe Toronto to take Matt Murray, while retaining 25% of his salary. (That’s dead cap space for Ottawa even when he was on LTIR’ed for concussions.)View attachment 787407

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Murray had a ridiculous number of injuries in the latter half of his career including a number of worsening concussion episodes.

Spoiler: Forsberg?

Gave a waiver wire pick-up, who previously had 48 NHL GP, a 3 year/2.75m deal at age 30 after he had a breakout year for them. Can’t blame them much for this, it was the best goaltending they had since Anderson’s prime and/or Hammond’s one run.
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Spoiler: Cam Talbot!

July 2022, the day after the Murray trade: Trade cheap young goalie for Cam Talbot.
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Cambot sucks on their team.
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Now 25 year old Gus the Bus flourishing in Minny despite knickname.
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(Last 10 games after a rough start, Goose is back!)
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Spoiler: Korpisalo?

July 2023: Sign Korpisalo to 5 year/4m deal.
Future buyout or trade w/ retained salary? Who can say really.
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Ya, they did have Ullmark but it always felt like he was gonna end up leaving. The year they got Power in the draft lottery and he was somehow .500 beyond that shit defense/roster solidified that for me. The other guys I mentioned seemed a lot more long term and guys they heavily invested in.

 

[Guttersniped]

Ya, they did have Ullmark but it always felt like he was gonna end up leaving. The year they got Power in the draft lottery and he was somehow .500 beyond that shit defense/roster solidified that for me. The other guys I mentioned seemed a lot more long term and guys they heavily invested in.

When you follow a bridge deal with two very contested 1 year deals it’s very unlikely the relationship is great.

After his ELC he got a 2 year/750k deal in 2017-18.

The first settlement to prevent arbitration in 2019-20: 1 year/1.35m

The asks both sides submitted for the arbitration hearing:

The Sabres offered Ullmark $800,000, while the Swede countered with $2.65 million, Friedman tweeted this morning.

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The second one in 2020-21: 1 year/2.6m

The difference between the team’s and player’s ask was again significant.

The two sides were scheduled to have a hearing on Monday. Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman reported that Ullmark was going to ask for $4.1 million in arbitration while the Sabres were going into the hearing with a $1.8 million offer.

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The Sabres were bottoming out (again) after 2020-21, it’s not like anyone could blame him for making the right choice lol.

They definitely tried to keep him. Understandably, he had been great for them for two seasons.

Linus Ullmark is a pending unrestricted free agent and it sounds like the Sabres are pushing hard to re-sign him.

“We’ve spent a lot of time with Linus’s agent over this offseason, had regular conversations, we’re gonna continue it. We’re working hard at it and I mean we’ve made it very clear to them that we would like to see Linus as our number one goalie so we’re gonna keep working at it. We’ll see where it gets,” Adams said.

“I also understand the rights players have and sometimes they make decisions but we’re gonna do everything we can and we’ve told and been open and honest from the beginning with Linus and his agent that we prioritize him.”

Not only do the Sabres not want to lose their established, number one goaltender, they also don’t have much depth at the position as far as players under contract for the upcoming season. Only Dustin Tokarski and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen are under contract for 2021-2022.

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[njdevils1982]

Islanders vs. Capitals tonight.

Gee....there's no shot this game ends up a 3-point game. /s

probably gonna tune in to watch the ovi show......er, ...shitshow

 

[Bleedred]

Islanders vs. Capitals tonight.

Gee....there's no shot this game ends up a 3-point game. /s

There's a better shot it ends up not a 3 point game than there is of me watching a second of that snoozer, outside of the goals against at the end of the night.

You'd probably have to consume some massive uppers (coke, meth) to stay awake for those two teams. That's a helluva lame matchup for the Eastern time slot, TNT national game of the week.

I'd rather watch Detroit vs Winnipeg.

That isn't TOO MUCH better, but at least it's a little better.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Turnovers galore for the Islanders. They look extremely bad.

 

[Bleedred]

Turnovers galore for the Islanders. They look extremely bad.

Both teams seem like the twin kings of unsustainability in the East.

What a dumpster fire that both of these piece of shit teams are in a playoff spot.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Incoming 3 pt game because f*** us

 

[NjDevsRR]

I reckon we will be getting a desperate Wings team Saturday. They are falling fast. At least they will be on a B2B after playing PHI Friday

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Lol. Capitals just hand the loser point merchants a goal.