Post-Game Talk: 2023-2024 Leafs Roster/Changes/Turnovers & Replacement(s)

[ULF_55]

AAVs can be tough to project because they should be based on term. I'm not necessarily expecting either of Nylander or Matthews to sign for max term now since neither did so during the previous round of negotiations. If so, I can likely still envision Matthews at 13M but probably not Nylander at 10M.

If I'm Nylander I move on.

But I think Nylander likes the team too much.

 

[andora]

I'd be interested in checking up on these UFA options:

-Connor Brown (feels like he should be a Leaf).
-Max Domi (maybe his dad will call out the Leafs like Walt did for FLA).
-J.T. Compher
-Tyler Bertuzzi
-Alex Killorn
-Corey Perry (yes, still)
-Miles Wood
-Andreas Johnsson (yes, to bring him back for cheap finesse and speed).
-Ivan Barbashev
-Adam Erne
-Evan Rodrigues
-Tomas Nosek (the other David Kampf).
-Phil Kessel (why not have fun?)

-Ryan Graves
-Radko Gudas
-Carson Soucy
-Niko Mikkola
-Nick Holden

-Joonas Korpisalo (if we needed a goalie)

Adam Erne would be a solid add

 

[Buds17]

If I'm Nylander I move on.

But I think Nylander likes the team too much.

Any particular reason in mind for this?

 

[ULF_55]

Any particular reason in mind for this?

Glass ceiling.

 

[Trapper]

The team has no.real identity. Not fast anymore, not a relentless forecheck team, not a physical team

They do have an identity. And if they fail to win the 1st round next year it will only grow.

 

[Buds17]

Glass ceiling.

That's fair. He'd likely have to evaluate the "bigger star" versus "better team" dynamic though.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

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Maple Leafs Reporter for SI and The Hockey News, David Alter joins Game Play to discuss his perspective of the general manager search, the importance of accountability from the Core Four, the task at hand for the next steps for the roster including contract and the financial situation, the free agency questions marks and fitting to the group.

That apparently doesn’t exist. It’s unbelievable that Shanny has already made assurances; you never show your hand and over- promise… how the hell do you know some idiot won’t find along and blow you outta the water with an overpayment? Shanny wouldn’t have any idea, he’s never handled player transactions.

 

[ULF_55]

That's fair. He'd likely have to evaluate the "bigger star" versus "better team" dynamic though.

That's possible, but he might also go to a team that is headed in the right direction.

 

[Racer88]

Glass ceiling.

He needs to put in a lot more consistent effort before he worry’s about a glass ceiling

 

[ULF_55]

He needs to put in a lot more consistent effort before he worry’s about a glass ceiling

That's the thing about glass ceilings, it doesn't matter what effort you put in.

 

[NMacrules]

OMG! Shanahan interviewing Marc Bergevin.

 

[Amadeus]

OMG! Shanahan interviewing Marc Bergevin.

I know folks have their quarrel with him but he's made pretty decent overall moves except for trading Serghachev for Drouin.

Also loved how involved and passionate he was as the Canadiens went on their run. He's another guy who truly cares about his players.

I'm not completely opposed if he's deemed as the right guy by Shanny.

 

[ULF_55]

OMG! Shanahan interviewing Marc Bergevin.

He's experienced is he?

Marc Bergevin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Buds17]

That's possible, but he might also go to a team that is headed in the right direction.

Makes sense. He'll be in tough here to surpass either Matthews or Marner (not that such a thing should really be an expectation considering the differences in draft pedigree and contract). As per your initial speculation though, that may not matter to him very much if he prioritizes being a Leaf most of all.

 

[Rare Jewel]

OMG! Shanahan interviewing Marc Bergevin.

I'd prefer him to Treliving.

 

[egd27]

The team has no.real identity. Not fast anymore, not a relentless forecheck team, not a physical team

Vanilla, like the coach and former GM

 

[rielledup]

How do we fix the d? Can't rely on Schenn to do what he did in the playoffs again. We need a good #2 to replace brodie and how do we get that? Probably need a good top 4 as well.

Also, with the way JT played at even strength this year don't be surprised if we're paying a guy 11 mil to get 60 points next year. I kind of feel like our window to win might be closed and the next few years are going to be the Leafs scrambling to find bandaid solutions that are never quite adequate

 

[egd27]

That apparently doesn’t exist. It’s unbelievable that Shanny has already made assurances; you never show your hand and over- promise… how the hell do you know some idiot won’t find along and blow you outta the water with an overpayment? Shanny wouldn’t have any idea, he’s never handled player transactions.

How does CJ thinking that "those players came away from those conversations believing that Brendan Shanahan’s intention is to bring the entire core four back" turn into "Shanny has already made assurances"

Did CJ even confirm that he had directly spoken with "the Leafs’ top players"?

Anyone else play "broken telephone" when they were kids?

 

[Gaberd2608]

How do we fix the d? Can't rely on Schenn to do what he did in the playoffs again. We need a good #2 to replace brodie and how do we get that? Probably need a good top 4 as well.

Also, with the way JT played at even strength this year don't be surprised if we're paying a guy 11 mil to get 60 points next year. I kind of feel like our window to win might be closed and the next few years are going to be the Leafs scrambling to find bandaid solutions that are never quite adequate

Im sure we can get some decent pieces for marner and/or nylander. Shouldnt be too hard.

Im dreaming of marner and lilly for werenski and jenner with some odds and ends to balance.

Move nylander and brodie for provorov and konecny with some odds and ends.

Knies. Matthews. Konecny
Tavares. Jenner. Xxxx
Robertson. ROR. Jarnkrok
Lafferty. Holmberg. Acciarci

Rielly. Werenski
Provorov. Mccabe
Gio. Schenn

Samsonov
Woll

 

[Racer88]

That's the thing about glass ceilings, it doesn't matter what effort you put in.

Ya, good point. Lol

 

[Menzinger]

I'd be interested in checking up on these UFA options:

-Connor Brown (feels like he should be a Leaf).
-Max Domi (maybe his dad will call out the Leafs like Walt did for FLA).
-J.T. Compher
-Tyler Bertuzzi
-Alex Killorn
-Corey Perry (yes, still)
-Miles Wood
-Andreas Johnsson (yes, to bring him back for cheap finesse and speed).
-Ivan Barbashev
-Adam Erne
-Evan Rodrigues
-Tomas Nosek (the other David Kampf).
-Phil Kessel (why not have fun?)

-Ryan Graves
-Radko Gudas
-Carson Soucy
-Niko Mikkola
-Nick Holden

-Joonas Korpisalo (if we needed a goalie)

Brown and Bertuzzi seem like good targets. Perry would be fine too especially if they extend Acciari. Johnsson would be intriguing on a league minimum deal

Problem is they probably need a puck mover for the D and a 3C, and not sure I see great there's many good options. May need a trade to solve those.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

How does CJ thinking that "those players came away from those conversations believing that Brendan Shanahan’s intention is to bring the entire core four back" turn into "Shanny has already made assurances"

Did CJ even confirm that he had directly spoken with "the Leafs’ top players"?

Anyone else play "broken telephone" when they were kids?

I could have sworn that CJ said originally that he talked to "A" player on the team who relayed the info about Shanny reaching out to them after Dubas was let go...he did not say he talked to THE players about it. So it could be him just assuming stuff based on what another player said.

 

[egd27]

I could have sworn that CJ said originally that he talked to "A" player on the team who relayed the info about Shanny reaching out to them after Dubas was let go...he did not say he talked to THE players about it. So it could be him just assuming stuff based on what another player said.

He probably did speak with someone, and perhaps whoever that was indicated that the players felt comfortable about Dubas leaving. But somehow that has now morphed into he has given no trade assurances to the core.

It's funny how these things get twisted and then presented as fact.

 

[NMacrules]

He's experienced is he?

Marc Bergevin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Experienced at destroying hockey clubs. Ask a habs fan.

 

[Notsince67]

Highly debatable weakest link. Marner has the more movable contract because it has some term left. Nylander scores goals and that's more favorable over playmaking winger.

Whichever way you continually attempt to put lipstick on that pig of a notion, in no universe is Nylander considered on par with Marner. Get over it already. It's time to let go.