Speculation: 2023-2024 General Lightning Discussion - Part 4

[Hockeyville USA]

Wonder if someone is going to say f*** it and overpay for Cirelli or Cernak

 

[LTIR Trickery]

No one has mentioned the possibility that the asking price to take Sheary and/or Jeannot off our hands might be too much for JBB to accept. Gone are the days we had the talent pool in the pipeline to throw in a prospect or two as incentive. If we give up any of our prospects now, we are setting ourselves further back than if we just accept that we cannot sign Stamkos AND a capable supporting roster.
That being typed, if the fan base is good with the core six taking 2/3rds of the Cap Space and using what little is left to fill out the roster, then so be it.
Just don't come complaining when the bottom tier NHL players and players who should be in the AHL cannot support the high-priced core and the Lightning are one and done if they make the playoffs in 24-25.

I think what you said is a valid concern, but I also think you can never underestimate how rock hard some GMs out there get over a guy who scored a couple goals once and will punch a guy in the face. Big "I can fix him" vibes around a player like that.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

We've gone from having Cirelli as the luxury item at forward to having Sergachev as the luxury item on defense. We seriously can't roll this anyone. One has to go. We need to get stronger up front and Nick Paul checking out by November isn't gonna cut it

I don't know how anyone sound in mind would look at last years defense and go "yeah, we really need to get rid of Sergachev, hes a luxury". That defense was a black hole at times, and the addition of McDonagh doesn't solve all of it, if anything, I think it'll allow Sergachev to really stretch his legs and be a solid puck mover again without having as many defensive responsibilities. It also will give the kids on the blueline a parent or legal guardian to help them take risks and grow without as much pressure for mistakes, because they'll happen. They do need to get away from relying so heavily on retreads like Dumba, de Haan and i'd honestly rather endure some of the growing pains of the Lillebergs, etc on the blueline in hopes that they can take on more/be more.

 

[ccman68]

Wonder if someone is going to say f*** it and overpay for Cirelli or Cernak

we traded for mcdonagh to improve the defense so trading cernak would just be the dumbest possible thing to do. unless you want perbix playing 20 minutes a night of course.

Cirelli’s contract is pretty impossible to trade imo but i guess nhl gms have done dumber shit before. if we want a good return we would have to retain like 1m

 

[b0lthed]

You underestimate how attractive Cirelli is to teams that are desperate to get back into the postseason like Detroit, Buffalo and Ottawa

 

[Crunchrulz]

I think what you said is a valid concern, but I also think you can never underestimate how rock hard some GMs out there get over a guy who scored a couple goals once and will punch a guy in the face. Big "I can fix him" vibes around a player like that.

Valid points.
Buffalo seems to be the team I see as being able to use Jeannot the most. They have good young talent that is lacking a protector like Jeannot. Team toughness is one thing but when that team toughness means players draw straws to see who gets to be the other team's speed bag for the night, that proves you are lacking something.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Valid points.
Buffalo seems to be the team I see as being able to use Jeannot the most. They have good young talent that is lacking a protector like Jeannot. Team toughness is one thing but when that team toughness means players draw straws to see who gets to be the other team's speed bag for the night, that proves you are lacking something.

Oh yeah, without a doubt. Ottawa was another that came to mind, and I wouldn't be shocked if Carolina suddenly drummed up interest after another year of underachievement.

 

[Zwui21]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805616690022977824

 

[ccman68]

You underestimate how attractive Cirelli is to teams that are desperate to get back into the postseason like Detroit, Buffalo and Ottawa

the player maybe is attractive but not the contract. if we traded for a 40 point forward with cirelli’s contract you would be asking for jbb to be fired on the spot

 

[Point21]

 

[Todd1a]

That’s more then we can afford to pay Stamkos lol

 

[Sky04]

Jets keep DeMelo (4x4.9) who was the 2nd best RHD after Tanev this year.

 

[Todd1a]

 

[Point21]

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i honestly see a revamp of the D core. Cernak cant stay healthy enough, Perbix took a step back and is a UFA next year and due for a pay raise from someone. guys like Crozier, Carlile, Lilleberg, and even Fleury are serviceable in bottom pairing roles. can always grab a dman in free agency that can eat minutes for under 3m

 

[Hockeyville USA]

i honestly see a revamp of the D core. Cernak cant stay healthy enough, Perbix took a step back and is a UFA next year and due for a pay raise from someone. guys like Crozier, Carlile, Lilleberg, and even Fleury are serviceable in bottom pairing roles. can always grab a dman in free agency that can eat minutes for under 3m

Wonder what the return would be for Perbix. 3rd and 5th round pick?

 

[Point21]

 

[The Gongshow]

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while i agree with the other three, i dont think JBB trades Cernak. He brought McD back to make a legit shutdown pair again, with Cernak. JBB had even said "wr have our top 4 now with Heddy, Sergachev, McDonagh and Cernak" by name

 

[Todd1a]

i honestly see a revamp of the D core. Cernak cant stay healthy enough, Perbix took a step back and is a UFA next year and due for a pay raise from someone. guys like Crozier, Carlile, Lilleberg, and even Fleury are serviceable in bottom pairing roles. can always grab a dman in free agency that can eat minutes for under 3m

lol Ian cole for 3 AAV

 

[These Are The Days]

Connor Bedard is gonna be playing 8 minutes a night with J.T Brown and the latter isn't even Canadian. That and Stamkos is gonna be chained to Cirelli again

 

[Point21]

while i agree with the other three, i dont think JBB trades Cernak. He brought McD back to make a legit shutdown pair again, with Cernak. JBB had even said "wr have our top 4 now with Heddy, Sergachev, McDonagh and Cernak" by name

i never trust anything JBB says

 

[Point21]

Perbix gonna fetch a top 10 pick at this rate

 

[LightningStrikes]

Perbix gonna fetch a top 10 pick at this rate

Who’d we play at 2RD though?

 

[Point21]

Who’d we play at 2RD though?

assuming Cernak and Perbix are moved, we could very well see Sergy move to the right side full time and run

Hedman-Raddysh
McDonagh-Sergy
Lilleberg-Crozier?

 

[Point21]

 

[Point21]

Our 2nds are getting tossed around like a cheap whore