2023-2024 EPL Season

robertmac43

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Thankfully they backed out of the new format....


Something needs to give or the injuries are going to continue to pile up.
 

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Chimaera

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This set of numbers is pretty distorted for Liverpool in a few ways.

One, they pay a lot of their contracts with heavy incentives. Liverpool won 2 trophies that season, placed second, and went to the finals for the CL. All 4 of those likely saw hefty bonus payouts for players beyond what their typical wages are.

You could also argue, that season's wages are pre-Salah contract extension, and pre hefty veteran contract moveout.

It will be interesting when they publish the actual wages, though with the new transfers they got this summer, I would expect it to be higher than predicted.

Don't think they did? This was 7 days ago, 2 more games for all and 4 for some as there will be a knockout phase to reach the round of 16 for some teams..

Yeah, it looks to be an extra game or two for every team in it. That's not the worst part. There should be dead rubbers for most of the good teams in there.


That said, the proposed Club World Cup expansion / promotion is likely going to be very difficult on players. The time they want to use for it after the season is usually what little rest players do get.
 

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What's the England squad right now in terms of the best possible one (obviously Southgate's too much of a wet wipe to do anything interesting)? Also, I am NOT an Everton fan I just don't see any potentially better options for a holding midfielder outside of maybe Gallagher who isn't playing there cos Poch is trying to force Caicedo into a DMF role. And for the CBs, I think a pairing of Stones & Kilman MIGHT be better but with the limited coaching probably better to stick to whoever has the best chemistry.

Pickford

TAA-Tarkowski-Brathwaite-Trippier

---Garner---
Saka--Bellingham-Foden/Palmer (interchange)

----Kane----

Honestly they need to find a way to have all four of Saka/Bellingham/Foden/Palmer in the side imo but won't.
 

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What's the England squad right now in terms of the best possible one (obviously Southgate's too much of a wet wipe to do anything interesting)? Also, I am NOT an Everton fan I just don't see any potentially better options for a holding midfielder outside of maybe Gallagher who isn't playing there cos Poch is trying to force Caicedo into a DMF role. And for the CBs, I think a pairing of Stones & Kilman MIGHT be better but with the limited coaching probably better to stick to whoever has the best chemistry.

Pickford

TAA-Tarkowski-Brathwaite-Trippier

---Garner---
Palmer-Bellingham-Foden (interchange)

----Kane----
Mainoo is still too raw to be there, but he's looking like he could be a solid option for that slot for many years if he keeps developing.
 

Paulie Gualtieri

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What's the England squad right now in terms of the best possible one (obviously Southgate's too much of a wet wipe to do anything interesting)? Also, I am NOT an Everton fan I just don't see any potentially better options for a holding midfielder outside of maybe Gallagher who isn't playing there cos Poch is trying to force Caicedo into a DMF role. And for the CBs, I think a pairing of Stones & Kilman MIGHT be better but with the limited coaching probably better to stick to whoever has the best chemistry.

Pickford

TAA-Tarkowski-Brathwaite-Trippier

---Garner---
Saka--Bellingham-Foden/Palmer (interchange)

----Kane----

Honestly they need to find a way to have all four of Saka/Bellingham/Foden/Palmer in the side imo but won't.
Foden, Kane, Saka

Bellingham, Rice, Gallagher

Shaw, Stones, Tomori, Alexander-Arnold

Pickford

If they play a high line.
 

ItsFineImFine

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f*** I forgot about Declan Rice lmao I was thinking who goes in that holding role friggin James Garner or that new Crystal Palace kid maybe lol.
 

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I zoned out and assumed you had Rice further up the formation somewhere. Looking at the formation there’s only 9 outfield players, so you can just slot him in anyway :laugh:

I think a Rice/Mainoo double pivot could work really well in a few years.
 

Wee Baby Seamus

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f*** I forgot about Declan Rice lmao I was thinking who goes in that holding role friggin James Garner or that new Crystal Palace kid maybe lol.
Was literally about to quote your post and rip you to pieces, LOL.

Starting XI, based on best possible and tactical fits, IMO:

Foden - Kane - Saka
Bellingham - Gallagher
Rice
Shaw - Stones - Maguire - Trent
Pickford

Bench: Watkins, Sterling, Grealish, Maddison, Walker, Pope, Tomori, Colwill, Chilwell, Guehi, Ramsdale, Ward-Prowse

There's no clean backup to Rice in the 6. If he gets injured mid-tournament, you put Stones there.
 

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For me, there is no way Gallagher should be starting over Palmer unless you want Gallagher to do a defensive destroyer type role (which he might actually be as good if not better than Caicedo at since Poch keeps trying to force Caicedo into being a DMF).

The creativity which Palmer offers is something else, don't think any player on the team can provide that right now outside of Maddison who's a bit more static now. They have to find a way to get him on that side he's truly been one of the best attacking threats in the league this season in what I believe is the second worse coached side in the league with no good attacking patterns. I know Southgate won't have him in cos Southgate probably is too conservative to trust him yet but even as a winger alone he can offer things that Saka sometimes can't.

I stick by the fact that a central pairing of Brathwaite/Tarkowski or having a guy like Kilman would be better than Stones/Maguire.
 

Jersey Fresh

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Was literally about to quote your post and rip you to pieces, LOL.

Starting XI, based on best possible and tactical fits, IMO:

Foden - Kane - Saka
Bellingham - Gallagher
Rice
Shaw - Stones - Maguire - Trent
Pickford

Bench: Watkins, Sterling, Grealish, Maddison, Walker, Pope, Tomori, Colwill, Chilwell, Guehi, Ramsdale, Ward-Prowse

There's no clean backup to Rice in the 6. If he gets injured mid-tournament, you put Stones there.
Sterling/Grealish over Bowen is thievery. Ward-Prowse though doesn’t deserve it. Guy runs around a lot and had a good run to start the season, but is painfully average across the board. Even his set-pieces this season are mostly a disappointment relative to expectations.
 

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Sterling/Grealish over Bowen is thievery. Ward-Prowse though doesn’t deserve it. Guy runs around a lot and had a good run to start the season, but is painfully average across the board. Even his set-pieces this season are mostly a disappointment relative to expectations.
Different roles. If Bowen is in the squad, it's as an alternative option in the goalscoring forward spot, and I comfortably take Watkins over him there.

I'm well on the record not particularly rating Ward Prowse, but it doesn't hurt to have a guy in the squad who's a good dressing room presence and can take corners and free kicks if a team is behind late.
 

S E P H

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Ornstein saying that United like Potter as a replacement for ETH if it ever comes to that.

Chelsea is such Rubbish. It's so funny that all their problems are entirely self inflicted. They are the vampire kid in the EPL which tries to copy from the true OG goth kid, which is Everton Football Club.
 

robertmac43

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Brighton leading the way!

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Wee Baby Seamus

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Surprised most by Burnley's minutes. I don't watch most of their matches, but when I've watched, haven't noticed particularly young players in their line-up.

I suppose almost all of those minutes come from Odobert and Koleosho.
Burnley have 5 of the 10 youngest starting XIs in the league this year. Chelsea have 4. Brighton have 1.

Zooming out more, the top 50 youngest XIs in the league this year:

Club# of XIs in top 50
Burnley
16​
Chelsea
12​
Arsenal
8​
Brighton
4​
Spurs
4​
Sheffield
3​
Bournemouth
2​
Forest
1​
 
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gary69

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Surprised most by Burnley's minutes. I don't watch most of their matches, but when I've watched, haven't noticed particularly young players in their line-up.

I suppose almost all of those minutes come from Odobert and Koleosho.

I checked, and per Burnley's website stats, yes, all of those teenager minutes are from those two players, Koleosho with 984 and Odobert with 1170.
 

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