2023-2024 EPL Season

[Savant]

You are right. Most likely outcome would have been a win for LFC. Probabilities of that outcome at 1-0 would clearly say that.

Yup 1-0 lead is a 1-0 lead. Not to mention (if memory serves) Tottenham scored direct after play was restarted following the officiating failure, so I don’t think it’s unfair to say that goal doesn’t happen either

 

[maclean]

You cannot pick and choose how to reinterpret the table based on your specially chosen missed calls.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

the 2023 financial results are due to be released tomorrow. Speculation is that Everton and Nottingham Forest might be in a bit of trouble.

Edit: Per Ornstein:

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Rejecting Brentford's attempts to sign him for £30million and then £35million at the beginning of the summer, Forest in the end cashed in on the Wales international on deadline day in September as he completed a big-money transfer to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Johnson may well be a pivotal name in the club's argument over their profit and sustainability rules charge as cashing in on him earlier in the summer at the end of the financial year for a smaller fee did not make financial sense due to the player's valuation.

According to The Telegraph, Forest will argue for dispensation to include profits from the sale of Brennan Johnson two months after the end of the period in question. Speaking on talkSPORT on Monday, Simon Jordan stated that Forest may have a "sustainable argument" in relation to the breach of Financial Fair Play rules and use the sale of Johnson in their defence.

 

[Savant]

You cannot pick and choose how to reinterpret the table based on your specially chosen missed calls.

Sure I can. Why can’t I?

And these calls are specifically chosen based on PGMOL admitting error. That is the only criteria. It is a fair one.

 

[maclean]

Sure I can. Why can’t I?

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean like existentially. Just like, if you want anyone to take you seriously

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Premier League set date for Man City hearing - but refuse to reveal it

Richard Masters insisted 'Big Six' clubs are not receiving preferential treatment in investigation over alleged financial breaches

theathletic.com

 

[luiginb]

They're gonna come down really hard on City somewhere in 2047

 

[Evilo]

You are the one that is confusing objective vs subjective here.

It should have been 1-0. That significantly changes the game. Hitting posts don’t matter. The team that has an extra man usually looks “better” than the other team, but again there is certainly evidence this season that LFC could have won a game with ten men here. Especially with a lead. What happened in that game was a travesty.

If you want to say “maybe LFC don’t make the PK against Arsenal” yeah I can buy that. At least more than what happened in the other game. But again no one on either side is saying/was saying “it doesn’t matter if it’s a PK because they will miss it anyway” with a straight face

Spurs outplayed Pool before the red card.

And lol about subjective. You're talking POTENTIAL lost points and talk to me about objectives? Please let's be serious.

You cannot pick and choose how to reinterpret the table based on your specially chosen missed calls.

No kidding

 

[Savant]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean like existentially. Just like, if you want anyone to take you seriously

People don’t have to take me seriously. But again, I’m only bringing up incidents that PGMOL directly admitted error too. Now I don’t take PGMOL seriously, but for different reasons. That being said I am sticking only to unambiguous game effecting calls of that nature.

Spurs outplayed Pool before the red card.

And lol about subjective. You're talking POTENTIAL lost points and talk to me about objectives? Please let's be serious.


No kidding

”outplayed” is subjective. Also does the team that outplays the other team win every time?

1-0 is objective.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Spurs outplayed Pool before the red card.

What? Clearly not. The game shifted at that point. LFC were very lively and could have scored many time until that point.

 

[Savant]

What? Clearly not. The game shifted at that point. LFC were very lively and could have scored many time until that point.

it’s subjective. Some people may think LFC was doing better. Some people may think Tottenham was doing better

 

[gary69]

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Rejecting Brentford's attempts to sign him for £30million and then £35million at the beginning of the summer, Forest in the end cashed in on the Wales international on deadline day in September as he completed a big-money transfer to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Johnson may well be a pivotal name in the club's argument over their profit and sustainability rules charge as cashing in on him earlier in the summer at the end of the financial year for a smaller fee did not make financial sense due to the player's valuation.

According to The Telegraph, Forest will argue for dispensation to include profits from the sale of Brennan Johnson two months after the end of the period in question. Speaking on talkSPORT on Monday, Simon Jordan stated that Forest may have a "sustainable argument" in relation to the breach of Financial Fair Play rules and use the sale of Johnson in their defence.

Makes a good argument for them at least. Maybe the financial year should end either just before the start of summer transfer window or immediately after it.

 

[Evilo]

People don’t have to take me seriously. But again, I’m only bringing up incidents that PGMOL directly admitted error too. Now I don’t take PGMOL seriously, but for different reasons. That being said I am sticking only to unambiguous game effecting calls of that nature.


”outplayed” is subjective. Also does the team that outplays the other team win every time?

1-0 is objective.

Wait outplaying is subjective but saying you'd have more points if not for a mistake that cost a goal in the first 20 minutes of a game you were outplayed is somewhat objective?

What? Clearly not. The game shifted at that point. LFC were very lively and could have scored many time until that point.

That's not how the game went.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

it’s subjective. Some people may think LFC was doing better. Some people may think Tottenham was doing better

xG give LFC advantage in the first half (and the first red card happened in the 25th minutes)

Then also add the VAR controversy (which happened prior to Son goal)

 

[Evilo]

xG give LFC advantage in the first half (and the red card happened in the 25th minutes)

Yeah and Spurs scored and hit the post. In the first half.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Yeah and Spurs scored and hit the post. In the first half.

I guess that make Nunez the best striker in world football if hitting the post is considered a stats of domination.

Yeah and Spurs scored and hit the post. In the first half.

I take your hitting post and raise it up with a legit goal denied by VAR.

 

[Savant]

Wait outplaying is subjective but saying you'd have more points if not for a mistake that cost a goal in the first 20 minutes of a game you were outplayed is somewhat objective?

Yes - goals are not subjective

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I normally try not to give the time of day to "we should have these points because of reffing errors" because in the grand scheme of things reffing errors occur pretty evenly distributed across teams. For this reason, although the Odegaard handball was absolutely mental, if this were the focus I'd be rolling my eyes.

The error in the Liverpool-Spurs game was so utterly egregious and unprecedented that I have a lot more time for it than I would otherwise. If Liverpool lose the title by a point or two, I think the anger of their fans will be fairly justified.

When City clear by 10, though, we won't have to worry about it.

 

[luiginb]

Yeah and Spurs scored and hit the post. In the first half.

A hit post is about as valuable as shooting outside of the stadium. If it doesn't bounce back favorably off the post, you're more likely to score sidefooting it slowly at the goalie.

 

[Evilo]

I guess that make Nunez the best striker in world football if hitting the post is considered a stats of domination.


I take your hitting post and raise it up with a legit goal denied by VAR.

Who denied the VAR goal? It's the center of the discussion here. Somehow Savant thinks the points should count and that's "objective"
Right before the denied VAR goal, in the two minutes before, Madison's shit was saved by Allison and Richarlison missed a golden chance by shooting over the bar.
Then the two goals.
Then Richarlison slipped on a golden opportunity.
Then Diaz tied the game and missed a chance by not touching the ball before the half.
Those were the chances in that first half.

 

[Evilo]

Yes - goals are not subjective

Games are not finished at the 30th minute when the first goal happens. That's not objective.
Even moreso if you consider Spurs this season : they have NEVER been shutout. In any competition.

Is that objective enough for you?

 

[Savant]

Games are not finished at the 30th minute when the first goal happens. That's not objective.
Even moreso if you consider Spurs this season : they have NEVER been shutout. In any competition.

Is that objective enough for you?

No. It isn’t.

It should have been 1-0. That’s all that we know as a fact. They were shut out at the time.

Does the “better” team always win the game?

 

[Evilo]

No. It isn’t.

It should have been 1-0. That’s all that we know as a fact. They were shut out at the time.

Does the “better” team always win the game?

Thank you. You thus admit that since FOR A FACT the game isn't finished at 1-0 at the 30th minute, down a man, against a team that has scored in EVERY GAME this season, THUS, you can't count points in favor of Liverpool. Since it's a fact.

Took you time to agree

 

[Savant]

Thank you. You thus admit that since FOR A FACT the game isn't finished at 1-0 at the 30th minute, down a man, against a team that has scored in EVERY GAME this season, THUS, you can't count points in favor of Liverpool. Since it's a fact.

Took you time to agree

Sure I can.

Goals change games. Once if it’s 1-0 LFC like it should have been, it’s a completely different game state. You are still relying on what might have happened. I’m talking about what actually should have happened by PGMOL admission.

All that we factually know is that it should have been 1-0. The rest of the game was a farce so I don’t acknowledge anything afterwards

 

[Evilo]

No, no, no YOU're relying on what might have happened (Pool winning the game after less than a 3rd of the game played, while being down a man against a high scoring team).
YOU are the one trying to rewrite a game based on "potential".