Wee Baby Seamus
Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
I think he did, insofar as you can't guarantee the reproducibility of a hot streak. All you know is what has occurred already.
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Savant
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But none of those things are as valuable as having a 1-0 lead, until it proves otherwise
That's the thing though.
I'd love to see the stats of teams leading 1-0 and being down a man in the first half. I'm sure they lose more than they win games.
And if you count only against the teams that score in every game, I'm sure the winning odds are something like 10% no more.
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They lost on a 97th minute fluky OG when at 9 men. I'd say their chances of hanging onto a 1-0 lead to *at least* get a point is pretty good.
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That is why I am confused about people claiming that saying LFC would not have a got result if Diaz goal was given. First 1-0 is better than 0-0 (obviously), second, LFC would play differently with the lead and then does Son still score after and more importantly would Jota have also got a red in the 2nd half. So many butterfly effect possibilities about that game. As great as was Tottenham streak in scoring goals does not make them more likely to score a goal in that game. That game was decided with a own goal in the 97th minutes ffs, not like a score of 3-0 or 4-1.
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And they scored twice.
Again, in which world is it likely that a 10 men Pool side doesn't get scored on by the only team who's scored in every game this season?
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Yeah. I don't see everyone discussing how Arsenal got multiple PGMOL apologies last season and therefore they should be champs.
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Arsenal denied two points by PGMOL apology (Feb 11, 2023 x Brentford) gets them to 86 points. Still not enough.
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VAR apology list in Premier League: Updated list of PGMOL apologies for referee mistakes in English football | Sporting News
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Ah, but you have to give them the three points for the United game, as well. After all, Arsenal would have been up 1-0, so using your logic...
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They're on the better end, though, being the team who got points because of the mistake that led to an apology.
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I’m not giving credit for an extra goal in a game lost 3-1. Still 3-2. Wouldn’t give my team credit for that either. Feels desperate.
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Ah, but it would have been 1-0, so who knows how the game goes. That's your whole point.
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I think there is a difference between a 2-1 game that should have finished 2-2 (at worst) if people could do their jobs, and a 3-1 game that would have finished 3-2; not even bringing up variables like red cards and what not. I just don’t think this is the same scenario. One teams unfairly chalked off goal had a tangible effect on the final score; one didn’t.
If you want to disagree, you are more than welcome to do so; but so much for the discussion of Arsenal PGMOL apologies, being unseen.
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Afaic Arsenal already got screwed twice (!) this season just for balls that were out of bounds but no one noticed. Not going to whine about it though. Hypotheticals are *always* wrong. You can never reduce anything down to one cause one effect. Attempting to do so makes you sound like a child. It's why PGMOL apologies don't get you any points. Really, they almost sting more
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Wee Baby Seamus
Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
conflating situations where it remains to this date fully unclear whether or not the ball was out of play with an unambiguously good goal being chalked off due to sheer incompetence is outlandish to the extent that only an arsenal fan could come up with it
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Also worth noting that the goal chalked off against United last year wasn't the PGMOL saying that calling it a foul was wrong, it was the independent panel saying that it wasn't a clear and obvious enough error for VAR to get involved.
They said that given the referee had a clear view of it live, him calling it not a foul shouldn't be counted as a clear and obvious error and instead fell more into the re-refereeing bucket. They absolutely didn't say that Eriksen wasn't fouled or that the referee was wrong to call it a foul after review, they said that VAR should have just let the call on the field stand.
It's a dramatically different situation than a completely good goal that is chalked off because a VAR said the wrong word after a review.
They said that given the referee had a clear view of it live, him calling it not a foul shouldn't be counted as a clear and obvious error and instead fell more into the re-refereeing bucket. They absolutely didn't say that Eriksen wasn't fouled or that the referee was wrong to call it a foul after review, they said that VAR should have just let the call on the field stand.
It's a dramatically different situation than a completely good goal that is chalked off because a VAR said the wrong word after a review.
Not for me because it shows that they want to fix it so it doesn't ever happen again...until it happens again (lol). For Arsenal, I would say the ball against Newcastle was in, but the second one was most 101% definitely out.
