2023-2024 EPL Season

hatterson

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Meanwhile smooth sailing for City
Well the City stuff is entirely different.

Everton (and now Forest) basically admitted their crimes but said they had mitigating circumstances.

City have repeatedly lied about everything and hired a massive army or lawyers to obfuscate everything.

It's the difference between a guy getting a speeding ticket and saying "yea I sped, but I in my defense my wife was sick at home and it was an emergency to get her" and a rich guy getting accused of drunk driving, submitting fake blood tests, and hiring 20 lawyers to file every appeal possible.

The latter is gonna take way longer to sort out even though it's way more serious.
 

cheechoo

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And Chelsea.

Chelsea shouldn't be grouped in with City who have actually been caught breaching financial fairplay over 100x.

People just don't like the fact that Chelsea spend as much as they do. But I can't think of a non Redbull, Benfica, Sporting type club that sells as much as Chelsea do as well. Especially home grown Cobham products that count as pure profit.

United and Arsenal have higher net spend over the past decade and have both competed for and won significantly less.
 

Paulie Gualtieri

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Chelsea shouldn't be grouped in with City who have actually been caught breaching financial fairplay over 100x.

People just don't like the fact that Chelsea spend as much as they do. But I can't think of a non Redbull, Benfica, Sporting type club that sells as much as Chelsea do as well. Especially home grown Cobham products that count as pure profit.

United and Arsenal have higher net spend over the past decade and have both competed for and won significantly less.
Since Boehly came in they have a net spend of around -740M€, which is absolutely absurd. So I'd love to hear the reasoning as to how that was allowed.

All I'm going to say is thank god that they spent all that money so poorly. It would be absolutely hilarious if they got charged too. But they are probably walking a fine line and can't keep up this spending. Will be interesting to see how they manage their future windows.
 
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hatterson

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Since Boehly came in they have a net spend of around -740M€, which is absolutely absurd. So I'd love to hear the reasoning as to how that was allowed.

All I'm going to say is thank god that they spent all that money so poorly. It would be absolutely hilarious if they got charged too. But they are probably walking a fine line and can't keep up this spending. Will be interesting to see how they manage their future windows.
A ton of their early spending was amortized over 7-8 years so for FFP reasons so spending 600m in the first year only counts as 70-80M/year spending. They likely sold Werner at a slight FFP loss, but Palmieri, Jorginho and Gilmour are ~35M of pure FFP profit. So last year that's a net FFP spend of something in the range of 40-50M which seems reasonable for a club like Chelsea to support.

This year they spent ~470 over 5 year amortization, so ~94M/year. Up to maybe 175M/year in amortization that they have to account for including both years.

They sold Havertz for nearly what they paid for him and he had probably 40% of his deal left so that's ~45M FFP profit. Mount was 65M pure FFP profit, Kovacic was likely ~20-25M FFP profit, Pulisic 20M FFP profit, Mendy ~10-15M profit, RLC 18M profit, Ampado 8M profit. So that's ~185-195M FFP "profit" from the sales that gets booked right away.

So from the FFP standpoint their net spend on transfers since the ownership change is only 30-40M which is totally reasonable. The bigger issue for them is moving forwarding since they'll be dragging that 175M anchor forward for the next several years. Missing out on CL football hurts a lot for that. It's also why there's so much talk about selling a guy like Gallagher, despite it being insane to sell a talent like him, because that's 50-60M of pure FFP profit.
 

spintheblackcircle

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I was going to post yesterday that I was starting to feel like a hypocrite calling other teams cheaters and bad actors while Spurs have benefitted greatly from the work of Paratici before he was banned, even though his sins were from a previous job.

Thanks, Yasir for getting my head back on straight.
 

Paulie Gualtieri

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I was going to post yesterday that I was starting to feel like a hypocrite calling other teams cheaters and bad actors while Spurs have benefitted greatly from the work of Paratici before he was banned, even though his sins were from a previous job.

Thanks, Yasir for getting my head back on straight.
Paratici still clearly consults the club even if he isn't officially employed. Alasdair Gold has said the same. He's been pictured attending games this season numerous times.

Article about it:
 

Savant

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Another apology for botched call



When LFC lose the league by less than five points, going to look directly back at this. Not as bad as what happened against Tottenham, but those points just feel stolen at this point.
 
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Savant

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And Spurs hit the post and were the better team.
Counting points out of this game is more than stretching the truth.
You are the one that is confusing objective vs subjective here.

It should have been 1-0. That significantly changes the game. Hitting posts don’t matter. The team that has an extra man usually looks “better” than the other team, but again there is certainly evidence this season that LFC could have won a game with ten men here. Especially with a lead. What happened in that game was a travesty.

If you want to say “maybe LFC don’t make the PK against Arsenal” yeah I can buy that. At least more than what happened in the other game. But again no one on either side is saying/was saying “it doesn’t matter if it’s a PK because they will miss it anyway” with a straight face
 
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JeffreyLFC

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And Spurs hit the post and were the better team.
Counting points out of this game is more than stretching the truth.
You are right. Most likely outcome would have been a win for LFC. Probabilities of that outcome at 1-0 would clearly say that.
 

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