2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Xerloris]

All I'm saying is 2026 looks to have another generational player in the draft. Bedards cousin Gavin McKenna. (SP?)

 

[BleedBlue14]

To be clear, I'm not advocating for bottoming out. I don't think trading Buch would be bottoming out because we'd still have too many good players to really tank. Trading Buch accomplishes 3 things: we don't have to sign him to a long contract that will likely feel a lot like Schenn's contract half way through it, we get whatever assets we get in a trade, and we draft higher next year. I've liked the guy since he was Ranger, but what does extending him well into his 30s accomplish? When we last extended Schenn, we could at least say we're ignoring the bad second half of that contract to contend better during the first half.

Gives a much better environment for our younger guys to come in to. Allows us to at least have a chance at the playoffs. Also eases up the need for younger players to have to jump into positions they aren't really suited for yet. Schenn should realistically be filling this role in a perfect world. But I don't have alot of faith that he can do so without the team sinking.

Thomas has generally played his best hockey while playing with Buch. I don't think we can realistically expect Thomas to take another step if we remove Buch.

There's certainly pros to keeping him. Just have to see if it outweighs the cons. I think if they do move it'll be at the trade deadline for alot of these reasons. Figure when Steen takes over, Faulk/Krug will have one more season if not moved. Schenn I think 2 more years. Binnington 1 more year. Cap will be even higher.

The only cap commitments we realistically will have are to Thomas, Kyrou, Parayko = 23m

1 year of Krug/Faulk/Binnington = 19m

2 years of Schenn = 6.5m

Neighbors extension ~ 4-5m
Buchnevich ~7-8m

Bolduc, Snuggerud will probably be bridged by that point in time.
Dvorsky will most likely be a year from needing and extension.
We have a plethora of other guys that will be on pretty team friendly deals.

That cap hit of Buch most likely isn't going to be too much of a hinderance to reshaping the defense. I think you're going to need to either bring in a vet via trade or via free agency with the amount of youngsters.

What we'd probably get from Buch would be similar to a pick in the 25-32 range, a mid round pick and a prospect that would probably not crack our current top 10 maybe even 15 prospects.

It's alot to weigh. In my mind the main benefit for moving Buch right now would be to try and position better to secure a top 5 pick - still unlikely, and to allow a spot for a young guy to play in the top 6. But we don't really have anyone that's in the age range aside from Neighbors to need that extra playing time. Buch is versatile enough to slide up and down the lineup at all 3 forward spots that I don't think he'd block someone.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Pinto is the only name available I'd gamble on..... sorry couldn't resist

 

[PocketNines]

We got Kapanen ... and now Schueneman ... do other teams even want to compete with us? Or will they be afraid

 

[Dr Robot]

We got Kapanen ... and now Schueneman ... do other teams even want to compete with us? Or will they be afraid

It’s not a matter of “Will we win 82 games” this year. It’s just a question of, by how much?

 

[Blanick]

I understand the frustration but I think people are frustrated by the wrong thing. What I am frustrated by the moves and framing that we are in some kind of re-tool by Army. We are in a rebuild, not one where we tear it down to the studs but one where we slowly integrate young players into the existing roster and back fill aging players with high quality prospects.

The last two years we have been accumulating draft picks and prospects and should be continuing to do so. Instead Army is out here talking about re-signing a 30 year old forward to an extension and using the assets we should be adding to in order to shed a bad contract. Those are the moves of a team re-tooling but if we actually were in a re-tool our free agent frenzy would have looked more like Nashville's.

Don't get me wrong I am happy we didn't spend. I don't want a re-tool I want to continue this rebuild on the fly and I want Army to accept the truth. Sell Buchnevich, Saad, Krug, Leddy and Faulk as their contracts are closing to add assets. Use those assets to continue to draft and/or use assets to make move savvy moves for players like Texier.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Give me the Boqvist brothers, Adam and Jesper. There’s your forward and RD depth for the season on the cheap. I think they’ve still both got the potential to reach their draft pedigrees, but if they don’t, you’re not going to lose much in giving them a shot

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Give me the Boqvist brothers, Adam and Jesper. There’s your forward and RD depth for the season on the cheap. I think they’ve still both got the potential to reach their draft pedigrees, but if they don’t, you’re not going to lose much in giving them a shot

Wait, Both of them didn't get Tenured a QO?

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Wait, Both of them didn't get Tenured a QO?

No, Adam was waived yesterday for purpose of a buyout and Jesper was not extended a QO from Boston.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

No, Adam was waived yesterday for purpose of a buyout and Jesper was not extended a QO from Boston.

Dang. Didn't realize that about Jesper.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Any interest in Adam Henrique on a one-year deal? Toolsy vet who we could flip at the deadline.

 

[Drubilly]

Get on that Swedish hotline Steen!

 

[Blueston]

Any interest in Adam Henrique on a one-year deal? Toolsy vet who we could flip at the deadline.

sure. decent player. so long as we don't give him term.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Any interest in Adam Henrique on a one-year deal? Toolsy vet who we could flip at the deadline.

Yeah, he’s probably the last decent C left out there. So if he’s unable to sign with a contender, maybe we can get him on a fair deal.

 

[542365]

Kylington could be fun too. Just give me something to be excited about without locking us into something with crazy money or term.

 

[ezcreepin]

sure. decent player. so long as we don't give him term.

If he can carve out a good career in the depths of hell in Anaheim, he can surely score 40-50 points in St Louis

 

[Mike Liut]

Did Army say Bolduc and Dean will have bigger roles this? Not sure I heard that right. Just caught the end of it.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Henrique to upgrade Hayes slot in the lineup would be nice

 

[bleedblue1223]

Did Army say Bolduc and Dean will have bigger roles this? Not sure I heard that right. Just caught the end of it.

Yeah, Army mentioned them having roles, and Dvorsky will be given a shot.

 

[Mike Liut]

Yeah, Army mentioned them having roles, and Dvorsky will be given a shot.

Cool. Thanks

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

I’m so glad rather than using the second to trade up for Buium we used it to clear Hayes cap space….now we have 16 mil. When does FA start?! I’m thinking Pesce and Marchessault. Maybe Stamkos? Let’s see what he does here before we all agree he’s a moron that has done nothing right and needs to be shot into outer space. Waaay too early.

Yeah, Army mentioned them having roles, and Dvorsky will be given a shot

Yeah, Army mentioned them having roles, and Dvorsky will be given a shot.

Good. We need the cap space. For Mackinnon and McDavid both apparently.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I’m so glad rather than using the second to trade up for Buium we used it to clear Hayes cap space….now we have 16 mil. When does FA start?! I’m thinking Pesce and Marchessault. Maybe Stamkos? Let’s see what he does here before we all agree he’s a moron that has done nothing right and needs to be shot into outer space. Waaay too early.




Good. We need the cap space. For Mackinnon and McDavid both apparently.

No one is happy about giving up the 2nd, but I think its likely Philadelphia would say no to adding two 2nds to try and swap 1sts with them. We were asking them to move back too far. If we pretend that Armstrong didn't try, we're just making up a narrative.

 

[Mike Liut]

By the time our window starts to open in 2 years, doesn’t our cap look great? A few big contracts will be rolling off (Schenn, Faulk, Leddy, Krug, Saad)

Edit
Faulk has 3 years left
Schenn has 4
Krug has 3
Leddy has 2
Saad has 2

That’s not horrible. It’s manageable

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Wouldnt mind a cheap vet or two on 1 year deals in hopes of possibly flipping at the deadline for assets. Glad we didnt bring in any of these 30 yearolds on roster clogger 6&7 year deals. Looks like DA did align his actions with his previous words. Doing nothing was the right move in this market.

 

[Novacain]

I understand the frustration but I think people are frustrated by the wrong thing. What I am frustrated by the moves and framing that we are in some kind of re-tool by Army. We are in a rebuild, not one where we tear it down to the studs but one where we slowly integrate young players into the existing roster and back fill aging players with high quality prospects.

The last two years we have been accumulating draft picks and prospects and should be continuing to do so. Instead Army is out here talking about re-signing a 30 year old forward to an extension and using the assets we should be adding to in order to shed a bad contract. Those are the moves of a team re-tooling but if we actually were in a re-tool our free agent frenzy would have looked more like Nashville's.

Don't get me wrong I am happy we didn't spend. I don't want a re-tool I want to continue this rebuild on the fly and I want Army to accept the truth. Sell Buchnevich, Saad, Krug, Leddy and Faulk as their contracts are closing to add assets. Use those assets to continue to draft and/or use assets to make move savvy moves for players like Texier.

I generally agree with this, but it does further my complete frustration with the Hayes deal. I agree with not spending big today, and even as someone who doesn't love Kap, I can't hate him on a 1x1. But trading a 2nd rounder to trade Hayes instead of just buying him out just feels like Army being stubborn on his refusal to buy out a contract. The cap space doesn't matter right now, and we aren't going to be spending to the cap. Why are we trading a future asset to unload a contract when we aren't going to be competitive or spend to the cap? The only other excuse is if he was asked to cut payroll.